You always pay more for early adoption. Buy 1-2 years old if you want mainstream prices. Z690s will drop in half once the z790s are being put in all the high end builds.

I have no interest in any AMD products. It's always a lot more buggy and less optimized by most AAA games. Not really worth saving a few bucks over intel/nvidia.

How cheap do you think 3090ti will get during holiday season

2080ti went from $1200 to $500 so I would expect the 3090ti to fall to a little less than half it's original MSRP also. So $850 to 900 or so will probably be the bottom once the RTX4080s are available next month.

Nice gonna build a pc now and just wait on the 3090ti once holiday season rolls around. Notnin a rush.


Give me the goat computer case i should buy im finna start buying all other parts

Seems like a pretty massive waste of money to build a $2,000+ system that you never use. Especially considering that in 2-3 years a $2,000 system is worth like half that if you're lucky.

I guess your definition of top tier is much different than mine. A "top tier" GPU alone is gonna be $800. And that's not even really "top tier" anymore. That's for a 3080.

Thats 21:9 1440p right? How well do other games run?

Cool. Thinking of getting an UW, but I hate how short they are. The wider a screen is the smaller it feels.

Yeah I just looked it up and a 34 UW is the same height as a 27. I'll have to pick one up.

nice post like it

Just noticed how hot my OS M.2 drive runs....

Mine runs similarly.. I forgot to put the Lil thermal pad thing on top when I put it on my mobo, then lost it amongst a sea of pc parts I have ... Whoops. Hasn't been an issue I guess but who knows if it's effecting lifespan of my drive

That's fine.

That's what I'm seeing, I simply never noticed it.

I wasn't quite sold on anything yet, but now that the Raptor Lake benchmarks are out I've made up my mind to cut my losses, sell my remaining parts*, and go with Intel. Intel's top CPU is trading blows with AMD's, but is priced in line with the model down, plus the Z690 motherboards make the entire four chipset stack for AM5 look like a joke.

*It took a long time getting the parts, but by the time I had them some new thing came up that put them on the backburner. Even more stuff piled up recently, injured my arm, so I might as well be happy with the build seeing as how I plan to keep it for a long time.

Credit where it is due, AMD has made great advancements in the CPU space and it's great to have competition, but they absolutely dropped the ball on the platform adoption side of the equation. I'm not even too worried about the jump from DDR4 to DDR5 because I could frankly use faster Ram regardless, but the motherboards were the first blow because of the disparity between previous prices and features. You should not have to drop 2x as much to get a comparable board as the older x570 or Z690 ones.

I can't buy the whole AM5 "future proof" justification when the AM5 boards are so stripped of future expansion availability without jumping into pricing that used to be for high end GPUs, while AMD themselves have a poor history when it comes to software improvements and upgradeability/reliability. Being supported to Zen 5, maybe a refreshmaxdoesn't justify the costs either when I have zero plans on upgrading that soon for just a processor.

Pricing for the CPU itself did me in, though; Intel's highest end is fighting it out with AMD's, but it's priced like the tier lower x7900 that I was originally looking at because - again - stupidly expensive mobos + an over the top x7950 price + DDR5 is all just too much for far less.

I fortunately live close enough to a Micro Center and can get a great price on a 13900k when they get them back in stock alongside a motherboard to get $20 off. All I'll need is a $15 bracket for me 360 cooler.That's what my gut is telling me, especially with current circumstances where I only want something that "just works," and I'm losing confidence in AMD for that. Even though I wasn't really sold on 12th gen, they really crammed a ton of value and performance in Raptor Lake that I think really edges out AMD further because of compatibility/reliability.

Shopping around for the motherboards was the nudge to get me looking at Intel, too, because the z690s are just way too competitive against the overwhelming majority of the AM4 offerings.

Ever since I built my 2nd PC, I've always kept the prior PC as backup.

So once I get my new 4090 + i9-13900k, my 3080 and i9-10900k will go on backup.

I also keep it around as a 2nd PC for LAN parties and whatnot. never know when you'll need one.

since I paid $3500 for the PC and would probably only get like $1000 out of it, why not?

Potato pics, but old and new setup:





this build was a PITA. took like 5 hours to setup and then another 2 hours to troubleshoot why it wouldn't boot. QLED issue 98 and 99. ended up just rebuilding it from scratch essentially.

gotta say I LOOVVEEE the vertical mount GPU. it hides a lot of my poor cable management.

also these Noctua fans are amazing. super silent and temps are great.





benchmarks:

Fire Strike -> 29,120 -> 48,517
Time Spy Extreme -> 7,109 -> 17,924
Port Royal -> 9,487 -> 24,890
Fire Strike Ultra -> 10,824 -> 24,298

seems to be getting roughly double the FPS in all games in 4k 16:9 or 32:9 1080p.

adding the new NVM2 SSD was super great. editing is fast af now

Went to Micro Center and left even more confused on what to go with.

If I go 13900k, they don't have a motherboard I'm feeling (I was leaning towards the MSI MPG Carbon wifi), so I'm losing out on the $20 off.

If I go 7950x, there's this idiotic price gulf between motherboards because of that asinine e/non-e bollocks, so it's looking like the[URL=https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b650e-e-gaming-wifi-model/]Asus Strix B650e gaming wifi[/URL]would be a good model. Really hard to say because, again, the new motherboards are all over the damn place. For example, I'd probably go with the[URL=https://www.newegg.com/msi-mpg-b650-carbon-wifi/p/N82E16813144554?Item=N82E16813144554]MSI MPG b650 carbon[/URL][i]if[/i]it was an e variant just for the sake of future proofing - especially in that price range.

I'm also hesitant because AM5 motherboards just get really rocky reviews across the board, and I'm not sure if this is just by virtue of them being new versus the z690 boards which have been out long enough to settle down.


My main hold offs for Intel come down to:

- I'd like to know more how the 13900k fares with Windows 10 because I have no plans on upgrading to 11; not until they fix that godawful mess. I'm not one to mess with settings or cores or whatever the hell I've read about, just set it and forget it. Relying on Windows[i]anything[/i]like its scheduler is one reason I've been a bit skeptical about the p-core/e-core thing as well. It's clearly been an effectivestop gatestopgap measure for Intel to push 10nm against AMD, there's no denying that, but I've got a giant, fukk-off monolith of a case for a desktop computer; to quote Jeremy Clarkson, just give me[i]power[/i].

- I'm still a bit confused on the power scaling versus AMD; it seems the latter handles "eco mode" better. Ironic given the above statement, but electric bills and summer heat, you know?

- It[i]is[/i]a locked in system, so there is zero wiggle room down the line should the idea of upgrading the processor ever possess me.

- Just an observation, but the z790 boards (which I wasn't considering anyway) are either pretty expensive still,[i]or[/i]strangely feature heavily DDR4. Like Micro Center doesn't even have any of the z790 boards with DDR5, which seems kind of odd being the newer platform on a processor that seems to be leaning more into that DDR5 direction. Whatever.


- I wish outlets would go more into the differences in how AM5 vs Raptor Lake fare when it comes to general boot times after memory training. Totally new platforms like AMD's are going to have a lot of reasonable fears but also myths and rumors during the onset that muddy the waters a bit.

- Worth reiterating, but for heaven's sake, AMD, the motherboard situation is stupid. I don't think splitting it into[i]four[/i]variants was doing anyone favors while also trying to present the platform as being one of longevity, so we wind up with an even more confusing mess of comparing specs between boards because of the extra levels of give and take.

- I need to buy a watercooler bracket (~$15) for Intel, so that factors into the whole motherboard, Intel $20 bundle, pricing.

- AMD doesn't need a bracket, and it's $50 off the motherboard with a bundle.

- Using the above two factors, the z690 MSI carbon would be ‎$369.99 + $15 = $394.99. I could buy a $420 AMD board and it would come out to $370.

*Re-thinking the math now that the coffee's kicked in, it's a bit more freeing to know I could get a $450 AMD motherboard and be $5 off from the Intel one because of the bundle deal. I'll also have to check if it comes with free DDR5 RAM because I could always sell that to get some more money back.

[QUOTE=PositiveCrew post_id=1670559563]Potato pics, but old and new setup:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Xtb74ee.jpg[img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/xOu6Evr.jpg[img]

this build was a PITA. took like 5 hours to setup and then another 2 hours to troubleshoot why it wouldn't boot. QLED issue 98 and 99. ended up just rebuilding it from scratch essentially.

gotta say I LOOVVEEE the vertical mount GPU. it hides a lot of my poor cable management.

also these Noctua fans are amazing. super silent and temps are great.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/PWVZf3X.png[img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Mf10W1o.png[img]

benchmarks:

Fire Strike -> 29,120 -> 48,517
Time Spy Extreme -> 7,109 -> 17,924
Port Royal -> 9,487 -> 24,890
Fire Strike Ultra -> 10,824 -> 24,298

seems to be getting roughly double the FPS in all games in 4k 16:9 or 32:9 1080p.

adding the new NVM2 SSD was super great. editing is fast af now[/QUOTE]Nice, congrats mate!

How are you like the 13900k? I'm clearly still waffling between that and the 7950x.

The scale of bf 2042 is insane. Game is gorgeous

Late to the party, but picked up RE1 and 2 on this Steam “Autumn” Sale

disassembling and draining my loop.
moving my new setup into core p7. it will be 3 rad 3 pump/res overkill build mainly for redundancy and aesthetics




my new gear is here!



i setup a temporary test bench to see some preliminary numbers




ugly now but it will be goat when im done building it out


so far im getting some amazing scores. top 50 in all major benchmarks



waiting on my waterblock and custom cables to start build out. cant wait

so far I haven't had any issues with the 13900k in Win10. no plans to get win11 anytime soon.

LOVE the processor. I built the PC right after I got back from Iceland and I had 12,000 photos and about 3 hours of 4k video to edit and this 13900k ate it up like nothing.

this whole system feels like 2-3x what I had with my old 3080 and i9-10900k4090 and 13900k master race

it is suuuuchhh a big upgrade lol. it's bizarre playing games @ 4k all ultra settings and 200+ fps

there are G9 49" 1440p 240hz monitors on sale for $750 ea right now

really tempted to buy two

Thanks brah I love this combo! It’s weird playing at 4k and having fps higher than my monitor 120 refresh rate
It’s such a beast combo

That G9 price is really good
Do you like the resolution?
They are making a new one but it will be a bish to run
I know there are some 8k ultra wides coming. Not true 8k but it’s basically duel 4k
I think that’s what I’ll target even tho it will be hard to run
But hey, that’s what Dlss quality is for 😎

I highly recommend the 13900k
The reviews measure load under cinebench r23 and then cry about watts

But in actual games the power draw is low and it’s flat out faster than rhe 7950x

Are 4090s still doing the Nvidia thing where they go for sale for 30sec at a time and sell out?

I live near a microcenter so I’ve been checking stock every now and then. Haven’t seen any yet

Same - I need a couple of them. Just waiting.

They aren't constantly in stock, but they're still wayyy easier to get than 3000 series cards. People aren't buying these at nearly the same rate as 3000 series cards at launch.

Scalpers can't even get off of 4080's. They're literally returning them or selling at MSRP.

Edit: Newegg has 4 4080's in stock at normal prices right now. (They've basically been in stock daily since launch.)

Nvidia absolutely fked this all up bc no one wants these things lol. 2 months after 3000 series launched, you weren't getting your hands on on 3080's still.

With the price stack they have going, they've pretty much set themselves up to not sell anything under the 4090 if the 4080 sales are anything to go off of.

unfortunately yes
i have Hotstock app any 4090 drop must be picked up in under 10 seconds. you must have it in your cart and already proceeded to checkout within 10seconds of the drop. If you manage just to get it into cart within that timeframe it will be removed as you didnt snatch it fast enough

it will show that its still available for a full 30seconds but you will see it's really not there. its unbelievable and doesnt matter the website.

better chance at getting it from microcenter. I was tracking daily but couldnt get any this way and i live between 2 microcenters in a large metro area

I think the best odds are from best buy, mainly because they do local pickups.
so people across the country cant really snatch your allocated drop to your local best buy. Thats how i got my 4090


the 4080 is a different story but rumor mill suggests a price drop is coming in another week or 2

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia...nch-next-week/

if the 4080 goes to $1k... and there was a $300 gap between it and the 4070ti, does that mean the 4070ti will launch at $699??

that would be a killer card for that price. Its as fast as a 3090ti in 4k and probably faster at 1440p. Would be the go to 1440p card for high refresh at that resolution

glad I grabbed my 4090 and 13900k on day 1. overpaid for both, but no headache of wondering if I'll ever get one.

the 3000x releases were insane. it took months of bots and notifications before I was able to grab one