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post 1670128113 10-26-2022, 05:15 PM
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1) He is uncreated. Of his beautiful names and attributes are The First. There was nothing before him

2) He created jinn and man for no reason other than to worship Him. And why not worship Him? Why not be grateful for everything He gave us? Life, beating hearts, children, food, clothing, happiness, etc. and everything bad that happens to us alleviates some of our sins so that we come to Him on judgement day free of sin (as long as you affirmed that none has to be worshipped but Him, and you accept all of his prophets, the final one being Muhammad salAllāhu ‘alayhi wasalam)

No amount of worship we can do in this life is enough to make up for the blessings He gave us for free. In addition, we are REWARDED for this worship (which doesnt benefit Him anyway, only us) with a sweeter, tranquil life and eternal bliss after death, and He can forgive all sins - just repent for them

And the first sin to repent from is Shirk (polytheism)

Stop worshipping idols, other people (saints), prophets (like Jesus ‘alayhi salam), your intellect (by thinking you know better than Him), and submit to Him. You have no idea what you’re missing out on. I cant describe the tranquility when you fulfill your life’s purpose by submitting to Him, observing the five daily prayers, seeking forgiveness for yours sins, and so on.

Dig deep inside and you may find that you reject god because of some emotional reasons, not logical ones. Perhaps you had a terrible experience in the past you cant make sense of. You dont understand why He allowed it. And so you take it out by rejecting him and trying to rationalize it. The cure is to drop all arrogance and truly learn about Him, His Names and Attributes, His Decree, and why He created us

Deep down inside we all know god exists. It’s human nature to know he exists. Every child grows up to believe in Him without even having to be taught
post 1670128353 10-26-2022, 05:21 PM
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I should add that worshipping Him is not restricted to ritualistic actions like praying. It includes going to work to provide for your family, protecting them, visiting relatives, inviting neighbors for dinner, etc. Everything He is pleased with, when done for His sake, is worship of Him

Even if you SLEEP with the intention of having more energy to work to provide for your family, that sleep is now worship
post 1670128453 10-26-2022, 05:22 PM
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Don’t know now ask science how was the Big Bang created.
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post 1670129273 10-26-2022, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Kraken
Post modernism and activism would like a word.
self labeling yourself as a nihilist does not mean you are a nihilist
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post 1670129513 10-26-2022, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker
2. Some random explosion thing that created something that within an unbelievable amount of time evolved stardust into human life, the eyeball, our world, and somehow explains the perfect nature of our earth.
Ehh.. youre not being fair to evolution here.

and also over millions of years, who knows what change can happen? don't pretend you can fathom it.
post 1670129743 10-26-2022, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Dreyth
1) He is uncreated. Of his beautiful names and attributes are The First. There was nothing before him

2) He created jinn and man for no reason other than to worship Him. And why not worship Him? Why not be grateful for everything He gave us? Life, beating hearts, children, food, clothing, happiness, etc. and everything bad that happens to us alleviates some of our sins so that we come to Him on judgement day free of sin (as long as you affirmed that none has to be worshipped but Him, and you accept all of his prophets, the final one being Muhammad salAllāhu ‘alayhi wasalam)

No amount of worship we can do in this life is enough to make up for the blessings He gave us for free. In addition, we are REWARDED for this worship (which doesnt benefit Him anyway, only us) with a sweeter, tranquil life and eternal bliss after death, and He can forgive all sins - just repent for them

And the first sin to repent from is Shirk (polytheism)

Stop worshipping idols, other people (saints), prophets (like Jesus ‘alayhi salam), your intellect (by thinking you know better than Him), and submit to Him. You have no idea what you’re missing out on. I cant describe the tranquility when you fulfill your life’s purpose by submitting to Him, observing the five daily prayers, seeking forgiveness for yours sins, and so on.

Dig deep inside and you may find that you reject god because of some emotional reasons, not logical ones. Perhaps you had a terrible experience in the past you cant make sense of. You dont understand why He allowed it. And so you take it out by rejecting him and trying to rationalize it. The cure is to drop all arrogance and truly learn about Him, His Names and Attributes, His Decree, and why He created us

Deep down inside we all know god exists. It’s human nature to know he exists. Every child grows up to believe in Him without even having to be taught
why would an omnipotent god create beings he only wanted to worship him and give them the capability of not worshiping him and be so frustrated that he condemns them to hell because they didnt do what he created them to do with his omnipotence?

makes zero sense, the argument of a god wanting to create worshipers is one of the worst.

"hey let me build a computer that has a bunch of iffy **** with it and then when it doesnt work get really pissed at it and throw it on the ground and stomp on it because I am the most evolved human being with limitless knowledge and resources but I made a **** computer that doesnt work but half the time"
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post 1670129893 10-26-2022, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted By bicmane123
Ehh.. youre not being fair to evolution here.

and also over millions of years, who knows what change can happen? don't pretend you can fathom it.
If I let a billion years happen, can a smartphone make itself?
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Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
post 1670130983 10-26-2022, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah
self labeling yourself as a nihilist does not mean you are a nihilist
I literally don’t understand what you just said. Can you rephrase, please? I really don’t want to be a smart ass. I’m willing to have a conversation.
One party system; Most Republicans are Democrats, but no Democrats are Republicans.
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post 1670141943 10-26-2022, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Pterodactyl314
Don’t know now ask science how was the Big Bang created.
Beautiful thing about science is I'd probably get a better answer than I would have to this 10 years ago. Science evolves, just like humans and all other living beings.

But religions still give their centuries old outdated and disproven answers
post 1670142273 10-26-2022, 11:55 PM
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Pick your brain apart. Good luck with that.
post 1670142283 10-26-2022, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Dreyth
1) He is uncreated. Of his beautiful names and attributes are The First. There was nothing before him

2) He created jinn and man for no reason other than to worship Him. And why not worship Him? Why not be grateful for everything He gave us? Life, beating hearts, children, food, clothing, happiness, etc. and everything bad that happens to us alleviates some of our sins so that we come to Him on judgement day free of sin (as long as you affirmed that none has to be worshipped but Him, and you accept all of his prophets, the final one being Muhammad salAllāhu ‘alayhi wasalam)

No amount of worship we can do in this life is enough to make up for the blessings He gave us for free. In addition, we are REWARDED for this worship (which doesnt benefit Him anyway, only us) with a sweeter, tranquil life and eternal bliss after death, and He can forgive all sins - just repent for them

And the first sin to repent from is Shirk (polytheism)

Stop worshipping idols, other people (saints), prophets (like Jesus ‘alayhi salam), your intellect (by thinking you know better than Him), and submit to Him. You have no idea what you’re missing out on. I cant describe the tranquility when you fulfill your life’s purpose by submitting to Him, observing the five daily prayers, seeking forgiveness for yours sins, and so on.

Dig deep inside and you may find that you reject god because of some emotional reasons, not logical ones. Perhaps you had a terrible experience in the past you cant make sense of. You dont understand why He allowed it. And so you take it out by rejecting him and trying to rationalize it. The cure is to drop all arrogance and truly learn about Him, His Names and Attributes, His Decree, and why He created us

Deep down inside we all know god exists. It’s human nature to know he exists. Every child grows up to believe in Him without even having to be taught
Once you try to read your post from a non-religious pov you'll see none of this actually answer the question.

You are using your religion's mythology to sell it to the nonbelievers. If Im refusing your god it means I refuse it alltogether.

Saying that there was nothing before him is a good way to evade tough questions. If he got created from nothing so can anything else.

Back when Greek Gods were 'around' when people started questioning Zeus the elites/ clergy made up the Titans. By the time people got to Titans that religion died out and humans created new religions that are based on a stronger and well-thought (not that well but still) tenets.

My reasons are all logical you see. Only 14 yo emos turn to atheism because they think its 'cool' or their reasons are "oh God hates me I hate him back" whatever. My personal problems have nothing to do with any God. I dont blame a God for anything

I kinda dislike islam because of its negative impact on my country, and that some of the followers are really hateful. I was lucky enough to born/ grew up/ live in nonreligious parts of my country but the hate shows whenever I have to suffer being close to them

In the end all this stems to the culture/ family you grew up in I guess. If we switched families you'd be the OP and I'd be the one selling Islam to you.
post 1670142743 10-27-2022, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400
You are using your religion's mythology to sell it to the nonbelievers. If Im refusing your god it means I refuse it alltogether.

My reasons are all logical you see. Only 14 yo emos turn to atheism because they think its 'cool' or their reasons are "oh God hates me I hate him back" whatever. My personal problems have nothing to do with any God. I dont blame a God for anything
Do you recognize any spiritual wisdom from any fiction stories?

Does this wisdom stop existing in other contexts?

What would it look like if you organized your interests instead of taking advantage of privilege and only taking positions against you playing like those who created the privilege use
post 1670143343 10-27-2022, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne
1) they usually say God is an uncaused Being, and that cause cannot have an infinite regress. God is the origin of cause.

2) God creates out of a nature of overflowing love.
This
post 1670144553 10-27-2022, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted By sg1976
A single cell organism on another planet wuold discredit everything.
makes you wonder why one hasn't been found O.o
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post 1670144633 10-27-2022, 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted By N00bClutch
makes you wonder why one hasn't been found O.o
Name a planet we've been to so far except Mars
post 1670153953 10-27-2022, 08:34 AM
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post 1670154323 10-27-2022, 08:41 AM
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