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post 1676312793 02-01-2023, 07:45 AM
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how much water weight will I hold from creatine? (incels stay out pls)

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I have never bothered with Creatine in my life until the end of last year. Now i've gotten some body scan results before and after and I'm wondering about the results.

I started 5mg/day creatine in December, took the body scans in September and January.



So, I'm up 2.6 lb. of skeletal muscle mass, which is awesome. But I wonder how much is just water?

As I understand it, water that is in the muscles should be part of the extracellular water, which only increased 0.7 lb. Does this mean that I gained 2.6-0.7 = 1.9 lb. of actual muscle fibers? If so that would be wild in that time span, especially since I dropped 2.4 lb. of body fat.

Any body analysis nerds that can help me out? My muscle mass had been trending downward while cutting for months (from 91.7 lb. of muscle at 193.1 lb. of bodyweight) so I'm glad to see it going back up.

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I don't see a huge difference, but my arms, shoulders, and lats do look slightly juicier. Just glad that all the eating I did over the holidays didn't wreck my physique.
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bump for the one miscer that lifts and actually has insight
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I’ve been traveling since December, and stopped taking daily creatine then. Within 2-3 weeks, I had already dropped about 12 pounds, presumably 90% was water weight.
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I've wondered myself and tried to pay attention to how my weight changed when I went on or off creatine. It was still really hard for me to tell through the noise of daily fluctuations in bodyweight, but my best guess for myself is around 5 lb at 205 lb bodyweight.
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
Body scans are a waste of time because of how inaccurate they are, not to mention, how infrequent they are. Just use your lifts as a reasonable approximation of how much muscle you have and your weight as a reasonable approximation for how fat you are.
I'm pretty sure inbody scans are like 98% as accurate as DEXA

I know it's not perfect but it's good for showing trends. Whether I'm 11.6% bf is surely up for debate but I think it's pretty sound that if my listed bf% goes down on the scan then my real bf% went down.

Lifts are a terrible way to judge how much muscle you have, CNS activity is significantly more important than muscle mass for strength.
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I have no hard data to prove myself here.. however.. The last time I really gave creatine a chance it left me bloated AF and looking like complete $hit. I was up about 10lbs but it was all BS water weight. At this particular time in my life I was single and didnt give a fk about numbers on a scale , I needed panty scrubber abs & striations on my shoulders you could lay your fingers in... Never tried it again.
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I could never figure it out either but the differences were small enough to not matter.
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Originally Posted By 1slo5oh⏩
I have no hard data to prove myself here.. however.. The last time I really gave creatine a chance it left me bloated AF and looking like complete $hit. I was up about 10lbs but it was all BS water weight. At this particular time in my life I was single and didnt give a fk about numbers on a scale , I needed panty scrubber abs & striations on my shoulders you could lay your fingers in... Never tried it again.
10 lbs is pretty normal for most men on creatine. When I was taking it I was up 5 lbs and I'm a female.
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Originally Posted By kimm4⏩
10 lbs is pretty normal for most men on creatine. When I was taking it I was up 5 lbs and I'm a female.
But like, 5 lbs could work for a man, too, right?

Right!!?
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I started taking it 2 months ago and I'm up 20 lbs. Ded fkn srs.















I'm also eating 1k cals over maintenance a day but I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.
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Originally Posted By FarmersSon⏩
But like, 5 lbs could work for a man, too, right?

Right!!?
From what I've seen and working with clients most men using creatine add bs water weight around 10-12 lbs and females around 5-7 lbs. With that being said I'm sure it can vary.
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IDK but you have made it. Keep up the good work OP. What is your height?
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Originally Posted By kimm4⏩
From what I've seen and working with clients most men using creatine add bs water weight around 10-12 lbs and females around 5-7 lbs. With that being said I'm sure it can vary.
It's all good. To me, it would make sense if there was more weight gain from creatine for someone carrying more muscle mass. I think your male and female observations implicitly agree with this, but it would stand to reason (at least in my head) that it would also hold true for bigger vs smaller guys.
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Originally Posted By LDARidonot⏩
Creatine makes you a little more beast, makes working out a little bit easier, and adds some size to the muscles. Is it water weight? Yea probably most of it. Some glycogen and those transient factors. Increased phosphocreatine stores in the muscle. Possibly increases DHT in muscles. Studies are conflicting with creatine. Its clearly a complicated ergogenic aid.

If you think it made you bloated, it probably did
Yeah but if it helps you do extra reps then it makes you stronger and bigger. Its that simple
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If creatine can make you gain 10 lbs of water weight then would bodyweight workouts be harder ? Because when it comes to pull ups thats quite alot off weight to add over the corse of a week.
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Now that I have witnessed enough Broscience... along with my own Bro Studies.

Allow to me to aware those who arent about Andrew Huberman , I read a few articles he had written on the subject & watched a few youtube clips he had posted. Now that I am a little older.. married.. and my focus has slightly shifted from being a huge shredded kent 24/7 to more of a sustainable & healthier approach to this lifestyle (still big & lean tho dont get it fkd up) Creatine has crept back into my radar and I may give it another go over a longer period of time and document the experiment to see if there are any real benefits to be had at this point or not

Video should be queued up at the right place... if not its at 1:45.00 for what we are discussing. If you have time the entire video is extremely informative from purely an information / facts driven standpoint.

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I would say it depends on other dietary factors. I could 5mg creatine with minimum salt intake/high water and would not hold a lot. A lot of bloatedness I've seen comes from people loading 10-15mgs shoveling food down their throats
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I'm not sure about percentages of 'real' muscle you've gained but surely you've gained some from creatine helping you get a few reps in than you couldn't before using it.
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Always an easy 5lb gain at 5 grams/ day. No loading period. Never go longer than a 2 months I just don't like the bloat.

My lifts go up a ton though. Whatever I can do for 5 reps I can do for 10... Kinda insane for just creatine.
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Never noticed any weight gain, bloating, or strength gains from creatine. Non-responder crew I guess.
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Originally Posted By nattyandweak⏩
If creatine can make you gain 10 lbs of water weight then would bodyweight workouts be harder ? Because when it comes to pull ups thats quite alot off weight to add over the corse of a week.
That's a good point. I should mention that I recently blew my pull up PR out of the water. Most I'd ever done was 23 and out of nowhere I slammed out 28 on two separate occasions.

To be fair though, my total bodyweight isn't actually that different even if I'm holding more water. Traded it for fat.
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Now that I have witnessed enough Broscience... along with my own Bro Studies.

Allow to me to aware those who arent about Andrew Huberman , I read a few articles he had written on the subject & watched a few youtube clips he had posted. Now that I am a little older.. married.. and my focus has slightly shifted from being a huge shredded kent 24/7 to more of a sustainable & healthier approach to this lifestyle (still big & lean tho dont get it fkd up) Creatine has crept back into my radar and I may give it another go over a longer period of time and document the experiment to see if there are any real benefits to be had at this point or not

Video should be queued up at the right place... if not its at 1:45.00 for what we are discussing. If you have time the entire video is extremely informative from purely an information / facts driven standpoint.

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Originally Posted By wrassler45⏩
I would say it depends on other dietary factors. I could 5mg creatine with minimum salt intake/high water and would not hold a lot. A lot of bloatedness I've seen comes from people loading 10-15mgs shoveling food down their throats
Fair point there as well. I always do my scans early in the day while still fasted and having had only coffee and a glass or so of water. I'm also eating extremely clean which means relatively low carbs, at a 700 calorie deficit. Surely that will cut back on the amount of water I'm holding onto.


10 lb. of pure water would be crazy, although nowhere near 205 lb. so I doubt it would be that much. Still my total body water only changed <3 lb. after a month of creatine. I wonder if it will go up more once I spend more time actually saturated.
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IDK but you have made it. Keep up the good work OP. What is your height?
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Another bit of anecdotal info - when I started cutting again I hadn't yet started using creatine. I dropped from 182 to 177 in like 4 days (got rid of that holiday bloat), weight was just melting off. I started dosing creatine and my weight loss literally halted for like 2 full weeks, shot back up to 180 lb. and hovered there the whole time.

Point being I suspect that my water retention increased within a couple days of dosing creatine, didn't need to get saturated.
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Creatine made me look bigger but also bloated. This was about 15 years ago and my diet wasn't exactly on point at the time so take it with a grain of salt
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Not sure why you'd be upset about muscle mass gaining water you fuking moron. The vast majority of your skeletal muscle is quite literally water. Around 2 lb of that mass is water. Newsflash you derp, your muscles are made of cells. They carry water.
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Everyone reacts to creatine differently. Creatine has no effect on me but most people it makes their BW jump. I wouldn’t think most of that jump would be muscle mass just judging by the amount of muscle you already have.
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Originally Posted By YougotFauched⏩
Not sure why you'd be upset about muscle mass gaining water you fuking moron. The vast majority of your skeletal muscle is quite literally water. Around 2 lb of that mass is water. Newsflash you derp, your muscles are made of cells. They carry water.
Yes but as I understand it, creatine shouldn't affect how much water your cells carry. Fluid inside your cells, called cytosol, is used to create a suspension for the components of the cell like the nucleus and endoplasmic reticulum.

But creatine SHOULD affect extracellular water. That would include things like tissue fluid, which is used to distribute oxygen and nutrients to things like organs and muscles. It also includes blood plasma.

And both of those are distinct from actual muscle fibers, which should be the point of working out to gain muscle. Hypertrophy has two types - myofibrillar (growth of muscle) and sarcoplasmic (increase in glycogen storage). The former actually increase strength and speed, while the latter increases energy and endurance.

My question is essentially whether there's any way from the body scan to imply whether I've gained actual muscle fibers or if I'm just carrying more water in my muscles, increasing their mass. Either is a good thing, but I'd prefer actual muscle growth.
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
Yes but as I understand it, creatine shouldn't affect how much water your cells carry. Fluid inside your cells, called cytosol, is used to create a suspension for the components of the cell like the nucleus and endoplasmic reticulum.

But creatine SHOULD affect extracellular water. That would include things like tissue fluid, which is used to distribute oxygen and nutrients to things like organs and muscles. It also includes blood plasma.

And both of those are distinct from actual muscle fibers, which should be the point of working out to gain muscle. Hypertrophy has two types - myofibrillar (growth of muscle) and sarcoplasmic (increase in glycogen storage). The former actually increase strength and speed, while the latter increases energy and endurance.

My question is essentially whether there's any way from the body scan to imply whether I've gained actual muscle fibers or if I'm just carrying more water in my muscles, increasing their mass. Either is a good thing, but I'd prefer actual muscle growth.
Most of your creatine is stored directly in your muscles. And your body carefully regulates blood pressure and volume. Having extra water in your muscles under the same conditions is related to actual muscle growth though. You literally have more myonuclei. And you have more fibers. More of those requires more water. The two go hand in hand. It's not like your cells are just bloatmaxxing water. They are holding more water because it is directly needed and used.
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Originally Posted By nattyandweak⏩
If creatine can make you gain 10 lbs of water weight then would bodyweight workouts be harder ? Because when it comes to pull ups thats quite alot off weight to add over the corse of a week.
The extra strength is offset by the extra weight for pullups. I added 10lbs to my pullup, but I have no idea whether I gained bodyweight
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Nobody gains 10 lb of water in 1 week on creatine. God...u guys are like that copypasta.

On a cold Friday afternoon, I had come home from school. I had been thinking of the gym all day. I was hungry, didn't have any lunch. In fact, I didn't eat because I spent the money. For the past month I was saving up for something. Something special which I bought at GNC. I was surprised they didn't ask for ID; I was pretty sure the cashier noticed how nervous I was. Anyways, my mom asked my how my day was when I got home, but I ignored her. I have more important things to do. I run to the bathroom and unpack my bag. In my school bag is a white plastic bag from GNC. I open the bag, first removing the receipt and flushing it down the toilet to get rid of the evidence. My heart was racing now. I unpack the creatine monster from the bag.

I wonder what people will be asking me when they see that I will be 50lbs heavier. Should I say I was just eating a lot? I remove the label from the tub and tear it into a thousand small pieces. I flush that down the toilet, too. It is time now. I run up to my room when my mom ask me what I am holding. I panic, sweat drips down my forehead and my teeth chatter. "Mom, it's just for a school project". "What project?" "I don't know mom I just started it!". A tear runs down my cheek. I run upstairs and open the creatine, scooping upservings into a clear water bottle. What have I gotten myself into? I fill it with water and drink it. There is no turning back now. The creatine monster is inside me now, it will control me. What should I do if I die? I cant let my family know about this.

I open the creatine tub and throw it all out the window; a white cloud of mysterious dust sparkles into the wind so graciously. I feel the substance taking control of me; I am now the monster. I walk downstairs, its time to work out; time to get big. Now I worry, I don't want to get too big; people will think I use steroids. I do use steroids. No I don't. Creatine. All I see is the weights now, I am almost downstairs when I hear "Do you want a cookie I just baked". I know I do not have time for this **** now. "No mom I do not want a cookie" I walk in the basement and drop to my knees before the weights, tears running down my cheeks. I turn to the right and look at myself in the mirror. Oh god, what have I done?
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