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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Can't deport me because I was born here. I just disagree with our foreign policy. That's my right as an American. You don't like it, you're welcome to try to deport me. You'll learn about another right I have as an American.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Can't deport me because I was born here. I just disagree with our foreign policy. That's my right as an American. You don't like it, you're welcome to try to deport me. You'll learn about another right I have as an American.

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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
He means the virus gaining ability to infect humans could have been natural even if stuff was spread at the lab. He's saying the virus wasn't engineered. Nothing he said was wrong. You guys are scapegoating him and going after him as some sort of sick revenge for how the media went after Trump. Difference is Fauci is just some dude. He's not a politician. And he's spent his whole life trying to keep America safe.When this is all settled, I hope everyone who threatened his life is arrested and everyone who defamed him is fined.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
You don't have to tell me what you think he said. I heard what he said. He is trying to redefine a lab leak scenario as natural occurrence. GTFO.He means the virus gaining ability to infect humans could have been natural even if stuff was spread at the lab. He's saying the virus wasn't engineered.
Then, he goes on to contradict himself by saying all intelligence agrees that it was not engineered, but then says:
The other possibility is someone takes a virus from the environment that doesn't actually spread very well in humans,and manipulates it a bit, and accidentally it escapes or accidentally infects someone and then you get an outbreak.
Can you explain to me how a virus that does not spread well in humans, gets manipulated a bit to cause an outbreak, and it is NOT considered engineered?
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Nothing was redefined. Your simple mind cannot understand what he's saying. He said it was a possibility. He also said our intel agencies don't think it happened. How are you unable to follow this? Breathe. Set aside your hatred for 2 s and watch the video.You don't have to tell me what you think he said. I heard what he said. He is trying to redefine a lab leak scenario as natural occurrence. GTFO.
Then, he goes on to contradict himself by saying all intelligence agrees that it was not engineered, but then says:
Can you explain to me how a virus that does not spread well in humans, gets manipulated a bit to cause an outbreak, and it is NOT considered engineered?
Then, he goes on to contradict himself by saying all intelligence agrees that it was not engineered, but then says:
Can you explain to me how a virus that does not spread well in humans, gets manipulated a bit to cause an outbreak, and it is NOT considered engineered?
That second part is the case where it is engineered. How are you unable to follow what he is saying? Holy crap. No wonder this country is fuked.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Nothing was redefined. Your simple mind cannot understand what he's saying. He said it was a possibility. He also said our intel agencies don't think it happened. How are you unable to follow this? Breathe. Set aside your hatred for 2 s and watch the video.
That second part is the case where it is engineered. How are you unable to follow what he is saying? Holy crap. No wonder this country is fuked.
That second part is the case where it is engineered. How are you unable to follow what he is saying? Holy crap. No wonder this country is fuked.

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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
So after three years of Fauci and his scientists stating unequivocally that it was NOT engineered, and now Fauci is saying it is a possibility that it was engineered?That second part is the case where it is engineered. How are you unable to follow what he is saying? Holy crap. No wonder this country is fuked.
U wot m8?
Can Fauci even keep up with his own lies anymore?
Lmao.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Yes. It's a possibility that they all believe didn't happen. What is hard to grasp?So after three years of Fauci and his scientists stating unequivocally that it was NOT engineered, and now Fauci is saying it is a possibility that it was engineered?
U wot m8?
Can Fauci even keep up with his own lies anymore?
Lmao.
U wot m8?
Can Fauci even keep up with his own lies anymore?
Lmao.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
The chiron says Fauci is "completely open mind" about origin of Covid-19.Yes. It's a possibility that they all believe didn't happen. What is hard to grasp?
He said there is a possibility of it being manipulated in a lab. We just got done with him and his scientists telling us for THREE years that it was unequivocally NOT engineered. Now he is completely open-minded?
U wot m8?

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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
It's a possibility that there is no concrete evidence to support. What is hard to understand? Fauci explained that the other intel agencies do not believe it was engineered. Most scientists also do not think it was engineered. Also Chiron? What? You mean Chyron? LOL nice one, Cornell.The chiron says Fauci is "completely open mind" about origin of Covid-19.
He said there is a possibility of it being manipulated in a lab. We just got done with him and his scientists telling us for THREE years that it was unequivocally NOT engineered. Now he is completely open-minded?
U wot m8?

He said there is a possibility of it being manipulated in a lab. We just got done with him and his scientists telling us for THREE years that it was unequivocally NOT engineered. Now he is completely open-minded?
U wot m8?

A person can be open minded about possibilities while also believing some are highly improbable.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Fauci's backpedal has already begun. We are watching it in real time. Just sit back and enjoy the show.It's a possibility that there is no concrete evidence to support. What is hard to understand? Fauci explained that the other intel agencies do not believe it was engineered. Most scientists also do not think it was engineered. Also Chiron? What? You mean Chyron? LOL nice one, Cornell.
A person can be open minded about possibilities while also believing some are highly improbable.
A person can be open minded about possibilities while also believing some are highly improbable.
Remember those emails of how him and Collins were trying to crush any stories about Lab Leak?
Remember how Lab Leakers were considered conspiracy theory quacks?
Now he's on CNN trying to redefine what Lab Leak means, and then stating there is a possibility that it was manipulated.
This is quite an incredible backpedal isn't it?
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
^^Reaffirming that Bodhy is a fuсking liar, or has been listening to scientists who are liars.Also worth mentioning that another one of these supposed major-league scientists was championed as a guy who "knew his chit" when it came to a plausible molecular biological case for lab leak, only for it to dawn on his nuthuggers that he isn't even a virologist, he's a bacteriologist.
I forget his name though, I was thinking Ralph Baric but Baric might actually be a virologist who designed a way of seamlessly editing genomes without leaving a trace. And Ralph Baric's method was held up as a means of surreptitiously editing genomes without leaving marks of human design,but as it turns out Sars-Cov-2 cannot be edited in this manner.So another fail for the Nugget Crew.
I forget his name though, I was thinking Ralph Baric but Baric might actually be a virologist who designed a way of seamlessly editing genomes without leaving a trace. And Ralph Baric's method was held up as a means of surreptitiously editing genomes without leaving marks of human design,but as it turns out Sars-Cov-2 cannot be edited in this manner.So another fail for the Nugget Crew.

**Just a reminder that Ralph Baric has one the most advanced labs in the world at UNC, and he mentored Dr. Shi at WIV, taught her everything she knows, including how to construct novel chimeric coronaviruses.
The microbiologist Ralph Baric speaks for the first time in Italy in an interview granted to PresaDiretta , the world's leading coronavirus scholar, one of the greatest experts in the construction of synthetic viruses, author of the famous 2015 chimera that was mentioned on the Leonardo news : “ a virus can be engineered without leaving any traces . The answers you are looking for, however, can only be found within the archives of the Wuhan laboratory".
It is not true that the manipulations of viruses in the laboratory would be seen, as has been repeated for all these months in the face of the mysterious origins of SARS-Cov-2.For at least ten years, in the two most advanced laboratories in the world, in North Carolina and Wuhan, where the pandemic broke out, researchers have been using very sophisticated techniques called seamless, literally "seamless" thanks to which it is possible to combine genetic material of different types of viruses without leaving scars in the joints between one piece and another, as was the case in the past.
“If you want, you can choose to leave a trace, a kind of signature of your speech. A bit like saying, this virus was made in Professor Baric's laboratory"he says - exclusively to Presadiretta in the investigation "SARS-CoV-2 IDENTIKIT DI UN KILLER" broadcast tonight at 21.20 on Rai3 - Ralph Baric, professor of microbiology and immunology at North Carolina, who has been studying coronaviruses for thirty years.
“In the chimera we made in America in 2015 with the Sars virus, together with Professor Zheng-li Shi of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, we had left signature mutations, so it was clear that it was the result of genetic engineering. But, otherwise there is no way to distinguish a natural virus from a laboratory-made one”.The chimera, which we all heard about for the first time a few months ago because the 2015 report of Tg Leonardo circulated online again, was part of a research project also funded by the American NIH to study bat viruses : Chinese and American researchers had inserted the Spike protein into the SARS virus, the one that allows the virus to enter human cells, and a supervirus capable of attacking humans was born.
https://www.huffingtonpost.it/entry/...62874bc1f7339/It is not true that the manipulations of viruses in the laboratory would be seen, as has been repeated for all these months in the face of the mysterious origins of SARS-Cov-2.For at least ten years, in the two most advanced laboratories in the world, in North Carolina and Wuhan, where the pandemic broke out, researchers have been using very sophisticated techniques called seamless, literally "seamless" thanks to which it is possible to combine genetic material of different types of viruses without leaving scars in the joints between one piece and another, as was the case in the past.
“If you want, you can choose to leave a trace, a kind of signature of your speech. A bit like saying, this virus was made in Professor Baric's laboratory"he says - exclusively to Presadiretta in the investigation "SARS-CoV-2 IDENTIKIT DI UN KILLER" broadcast tonight at 21.20 on Rai3 - Ralph Baric, professor of microbiology and immunology at North Carolina, who has been studying coronaviruses for thirty years.
“In the chimera we made in America in 2015 with the Sars virus, together with Professor Zheng-li Shi of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, we had left signature mutations, so it was clear that it was the result of genetic engineering. But, otherwise there is no way to distinguish a natural virus from a laboratory-made one”.The chimera, which we all heard about for the first time a few months ago because the 2015 report of Tg Leonardo circulated online again, was part of a research project also funded by the American NIH to study bat viruses : Chinese and American researchers had inserted the Spike protein into the SARS virus, the one that allows the virus to enter human cells, and a supervirus capable of attacking humans was born.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Yeah and my bet is he wanted to really make sure they had it right before causing an international incident. He didn't redefine chit. That's your guys' spin. He's noting the distinction between engineering the virus and instead having had someone get exposed to it naturally in lab study.Fauci's backpedal has already begun. We are watching it in real time. Just sit back and enjoy the show.
Remember those emails of how him and Collins were trying to crush any stories about Lab Leak?
Remember how Lab Leakers were considered conspiracy theory quacks?
Now he's on CNN trying to redefine what Lab Leak means, and then stating there is a possibility that it was manipulated.
This is quite an incredible backpedal isn't it?
Remember those emails of how him and Collins were trying to crush any stories about Lab Leak?
Remember how Lab Leakers were considered conspiracy theory quacks?
Now he's on CNN trying to redefine what Lab Leak means, and then stating there is a possibility that it was manipulated.
This is quite an incredible backpedal isn't it?
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
^This is where both you and Fauci are full of shіt. If it involves a lab worker, there is nothing natural about it.He means the virus gaining ability to infect humans could have been natural even if stuff was spread at the lab.
These would still be considered lab leak scenarios:
1) If a lab worker goes to a bat cave and collects samples from bats, takes the samples back to the lab, there has been no manipulation to the viral samples and the lab worker gets sick, that is a lab leak.
2) If a lab worker goes out in the field to a bat cave to collect samples from bats and gets infected in the cave, or even at any point before making it back to the lab to study, that is still considered a lab leak. That is not a natural occurrence or spillover. That was a deliberate attempt to collect samples for lab research purposes.
In the stunning reversal, Dr. Peter Ben Embarek, who initially dismissed the lab leak theory as “extremely unlikely,” said he now considers the possibility a “probable hypothesis,” according to the Washington Post, which cites a documentary airing on Danish television channel TV2.
“An employee who was infected in the field by taking samples falls under one of the probable hypotheses,” Ben Embarek told the interviewers.
“This is where the virus jumps directly from a bat to a human. In that case, it would then be a laboratory worker instead of a random villager or other person who has regular contact with bats,” he explained.
Fauci 100% tried to redefine a lab leak scenario as a natural occurrence.“An employee who was infected in the field by taking samples falls under one of the probable hypotheses,” Ben Embarek told the interviewers.
“This is where the virus jumps directly from a bat to a human. In that case, it would then be a laboratory worker instead of a random villager or other person who has regular contact with bats,” he explained.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Yes there is. It can be of natural origin and spread to someone studying it, Cornell. Jesus.^This is where both you and Fauci are full of shіt. If it involves a lab worker, there is nothing natural about it.
These would still be considered lab leak scenarios:
1) If a lab worker goes to a bat cave and collects samples from bats, takes the samples back to the lab, there has been no manipulation to the viral samples and the lab worker gets sick, that is a lab leak.
2) If a lab worker goes out in the field to a bat cave to collect samples from bats and gets infected in the cave, or even at any point before making it back to the lab to study, that is still considered a lab leak. That is not a natural occurrence or spillover. That was a deliberate attempt to collect samples for lab research purposes.
Fauci 100% tried to redefine a lab leak scenario as a natural occurrence.
These would still be considered lab leak scenarios:
1) If a lab worker goes to a bat cave and collects samples from bats, takes the samples back to the lab, there has been no manipulation to the viral samples and the lab worker gets sick, that is a lab leak.
2) If a lab worker goes out in the field to a bat cave to collect samples from bats and gets infected in the cave, or even at any point before making it back to the lab to study, that is still considered a lab leak. That is not a natural occurrence or spillover. That was a deliberate attempt to collect samples for lab research purposes.
Fauci 100% tried to redefine a lab leak scenario as a natural occurrence.
The first scenario is a natural occurrence and also a lab leak.
Second scenario is a natural occurrence as well. I wouldn't consider it a lab leak if they never made it back to the lab lmao.
Being "made in a lab" and "lab leak" are two different things. And "lab leak" is not exclusive with "of natural origin". Being "made in a lab" is.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.Yeah and my bet is he wanted to really make sure they had it right before causing an international incident. He didn't redefine chit. That's your guys' spin. He's noting the distinction between engineering the virus and instead having had someone get exposed to it naturally in lab study.
LOL @ naturally in a lab.
Fauci said:
A lab leak could be that someone was out in the wild maybe looking for different types of viruses in bats, got infected, went into a lab, and was being studied in a lab, and then came out of the lab.But if that's the definition of lab leak, then that's still a natural occurrence.
^100% tried to redefine it.Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.Yes there is. It can be of natural origin and spread to someone studying it, Cornell. Jesus.
The first scenario is a natural occurrence and also a lab leak.
Second scenario is a natural occurrence as well. I wouldn't consider it a lab leak if they never made it back to the lab lmao
The first scenario is a natural occurrence and also a lab leak.
Second scenario is a natural occurrence as well. I wouldn't consider it a lab leak if they never made it back to the lab lmao
You are dumber than a box of rocks.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
What he said makes perfect sense, Cornell. Read it again. He's talking about how you can have a natural origin virus that leaks from a lab. It is to be distinguished from being deliberately or accidentally engineered by humans.Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
LOL @ naturally in a lab.
Fauci said:
^100% tried to redefine it.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
You are dumber than a box of rocks.
LOL @ naturally in a lab.
Fauci said:
^100% tried to redefine it.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
You are dumber than a box of rocks.
lol OK Cornell. It's been explained to you twice.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Still lab leak buddy.Second scenario is a natural occurrence as well.I wouldn't consider it a lab leak if they never made it back to the lab lmao.
“A lab employee infected in the field while collecting samples in a bat cave — such a scenario belongs both as a lab-leak hypothesis and as our first hypothesis of direct infection from bat to human. We’ve seen that hypothesis as a likely hypothesis,” Ben Embarek said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...igins-embarek/
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
Fauci is playing games with definitions now. I think this guy explains it pretty well. Since when did anyone ever say natural origins is also an accidental leak from a lab? Fauci is trying to redefine what an accidental lab leak is. GTFO, wincel.What he said makes perfect sense, Cornell. Read it again. He's talking about how you can have a natural origin virus that leaks from a lab. It is to be distinguished from being deliberately or accidentally engineered by humans.
lol OK Cornell. It's been explained to you twice.
lol OK Cornell. It's been explained to you twice.
How far can Fauci's dick go down your throat?

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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
I got wincel so twisted in a pretzel trying to defend Fauci, he's like yeah you can have anatural origins lab leak.What he said makes perfect sense, Cornell. Read it again. He's talking about how you can have a natural origin virus that leaks from a lab.It is to be distinguished from being deliberately or accidentally engineered by humans.
lol OK Cornell. It's been explained to you twice.
lol OK Cornell. It's been explained to you twice.
WTF is that?

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Imagine stuggling with the concept that a virus occurs in the wild, is brought somewhere, and people there get infected.
Mind-blowingly difficult to understand for some around here.. but then again these are the same people who think Jan 6th was a peaceful guided tour.
Mind-blowingly difficult to understand for some around here.. but then again these are the same people who think Jan 6th was a peaceful guided tour.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
But where is the "lab" part? Simply for being an employee? If a walmart employee murders someone is that a walmart murder?
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
It's logic. They aren't exclusive.I got wincel so twisted in a pretzel trying to defend Fauci, he's like yeah you can have anatural origins lab leak.
WTF is that?

WTF is that?

Made in a lab != lab leak
If it was made in a lab, it is a lab leak. Not all lab leaks involve a virus made in a lab. This is basic logic, Cornell.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
He's the unseen bad guy from the government in the movie ' The Dallas Buyer's Club.'. He is very much a politician, responsible for so much suffering. A bullet would be too kind.He means the virus gaining ability to infect humans could have been natural even if stuff was spread at the lab. He's saying the virus wasn't engineered. Nothing he said was wrong. You guys are scapegoating him and going after him as some sort of sick revenge for how the media went after Trump. Difference is Fauci is just some dude. He's not a politician. And he's spent his whole life trying to keep America safe.
When this is all settled, I hope everyone who threatened his life is arrested and everyone who defamed him is fined.
When this is all settled, I hope everyone who threatened his life is arrested and everyone who defamed him is fined.
Yeah Buddyyy! Light weight! Light weight baby!!!!
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
And this is exactly what I've been saying the entire time. Within the bounds of possibility but just no evidence.It's a possibility that there is no concrete evidence to support. What is hard to understand? Fauci explained that the other intel agencies do not believe it was engineered. Most scientists also do not think it was engineered. Also Chiron? What? You mean Chyron? LOL nice one, Cornell.
A person can be open minded about possibilities while also believing some are highly improbable.
A person can be open minded about possibilities while also believing some are highly improbable.
Anyone who understands science knows we deal in plausibility and not certainty or proof and Fauci isn't lying here.
Just low IQ tradies who can't science ITT.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
You know Dr. Embarek who I quoted was on the WHO team for Covid-19 origins investigations?But where is the "lab" part? Simply for being an employee? If a walmart employee murders someone is that a walmart murder?
Go back to how I explained it:
2) If a lab worker goes out in the field to a bat cave to collect samples from bats and gets infected in the cave, or even at any point before making it back to the lab to study, that is still considered a lab leak. That is not a natural occurrence or spillover. That was a deliberate attempt to collect samples for lab research purposes.
If a lab worker never went into a bat cave to collect viral samples, would he have gotten infected? Just because it didn't happen in the lab, doesn't mean it isn't a lab-related incident. It falls under lab leak theory.
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