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ITT: Anyone wanna see what 50lbs weight loss looks like? (we're all gonna make it)
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
Please expand on this OP.I had taken too much outside advice and fulked really hard. I then decided to do this on my own and began consuming a lot of articles online and perusing the nutrition sub forums here. There's been many ups and downs in the past 10 years and I've learned a lot.
What was the stupid outside advice and what did you learn from the nutrition forums here?
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Originally Posted By Jacobcapra⏩
I know a guy who thinks he's jacked because he's around 230 lbs at 5'10", but he's really just a fat **** and looks terrible. I tried to convince him to lose weight a few times, but I don't think he could mentally handle being well under 200 lbs, even though he would look so much better if he did.solid transformation, we will indeed all make it eventually. I was also an overweight kunt at like 230 something at 5'9" and have made it to being consistently in the 170's. Been about 10 years since then for me as well, gjdm.
fuark on spread too
fuark on spread too
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04-01-2023, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Kewbrah⏩
Check my post just above yours. That's what I meant by that.Please expand on this OP.
What was the stupid outside advice and what did you learn from the nutrition forums here?
What was the stupid outside advice and what did you learn from the nutrition forums here?
Some cliff advice:
Don't 'bulk' as a natty.
Don't try to aim for a 'weight' goal. I'm in the 160s now and look much 'bigger' than I did in the 190s. It's all about conditioning
Discovering Mike Mentzer's philosophy and Dorian Yates' lifting approach changed my entire routine for the better
You don't need tons of excess calories above maintenance to gain mass. If you're gaining a pound a month, even that's too much. You're never going to consistently gain 12 pounds of lean mass a year. By those numbers, you'd gain 100+ pounds of mass in 10 years of lifting, which is impossible. At the moment, I try to limit myself to gaining just a couple pounds in my 8 month non-cutting cycle. Let's say less than 5 pounds. Realistically at this point in the game, most weight I'll put on outside cutting is fat and water
Being lighter overall and focusing on healthy lifestyle, spending a lot of time outdoors, range of motion, and flexibility make me feel much more limber and alive in my mid 30s. I don't feel fat and slow anymore.
Originally Posted By jamiejammer⏩
That was me back in the day, hence my post above of never aiming for an overarching weight goal. Your perception becomes skewed over time. I probably thought I looked not so bad in the high 180s but, when I look back at photos, I'm just fat.I know a guy who thinks he's jacked because he's around 230 lbs at 5'10", but he's really just a fat **** and looks terrible. I tried to convince him to lose weight a few times, but I don't think he could mentally handle being well under 200 lbs, even though he would look so much better if he did.
*Look at reflection in car window and flex every time crew*
*Use half the roll to wipe after a poo crew*
*Fart in the gym and blame rotten smell on faulty ventilation crew*
*Fart at home and blame it on the dog crew*
*Watch neutron-star density poop mock me as water flushes around it and it stays put crew*
*Drive 2 minutes in the summer and back of shirt gets completely wet crew*
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04-01-2023, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
Yeah, natural guys under six feet tall will just never be able to carry that much muscle, especially with average or bad genetics. What are the major differences in your life now because of this? I'm sure you get wayyyyy more female attention too.Check my post just above yours. That's what I meant by that.
Some cliff advice:
Don't 'bulk' as a natty.
Don't try to aim for a 'weight' goal. I'm in the 160s now and look much 'bigger' than I did in the 190s. It's all about conditioning
Discovering Mike Mentzer's philosophy and Dorian Yates' lifting approach changed my entire routine for the better
You don't need tons of excess calories above maintenance to gain mass. If you're gaining a pound a month, even that's too much. You're never going to consistently gain 12 pounds of lean mass a year. By those numbers, you'd gain 100+ pounds of mass in 10 years of lifting, which is impossible. At the moment, I try to limit myself to gaining just a couple pounds in my 8 month non-cutting cycle. Let's say less than 5 pounds. Realistically at this point in the game, most weight I'll put on outside cutting is fat and water
Being lighter overall and focusing on healthy lifestyle, spending a lot of time outdoors, range of motion, and flexibility make me feel much more limber and alive in my mid 30s. I don't feel fat and slow anymore.
That was me back in the day, hence my post above of never aiming for an overarching weight goal. Your perception becomes skewed over time. I probably thought I looked not so bad in the high 180s but, when I look back at photos, I'm just fat.
Some cliff advice:
Don't 'bulk' as a natty.
Don't try to aim for a 'weight' goal. I'm in the 160s now and look much 'bigger' than I did in the 190s. It's all about conditioning
Discovering Mike Mentzer's philosophy and Dorian Yates' lifting approach changed my entire routine for the better
You don't need tons of excess calories above maintenance to gain mass. If you're gaining a pound a month, even that's too much. You're never going to consistently gain 12 pounds of lean mass a year. By those numbers, you'd gain 100+ pounds of mass in 10 years of lifting, which is impossible. At the moment, I try to limit myself to gaining just a couple pounds in my 8 month non-cutting cycle. Let's say less than 5 pounds. Realistically at this point in the game, most weight I'll put on outside cutting is fat and water
Being lighter overall and focusing on healthy lifestyle, spending a lot of time outdoors, range of motion, and flexibility make me feel much more limber and alive in my mid 30s. I don't feel fat and slow anymore.
That was me back in the day, hence my post above of never aiming for an overarching weight goal. Your perception becomes skewed over time. I probably thought I looked not so bad in the high 180s but, when I look back at photos, I'm just fat.
My video about height - youtube.com/watch?v=j5Y6u53lVJM
My video about Arnold - youtu.be/eM0X_KyIYb8
"In most cases bodybuilders are just drug addicts - nothing more, nothing less. It's not to put myself above them, it's just how it is" - Nasser El Sonbaty (RIP)
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Originally Posted By jamiejammer⏩
Agreed. My genetics aren't great either. I had to work extremely hard to build what I have now when some dudes I know might get something comparable in a couple years of lifting. It's just the way she goes.Yeah, natural guys under six feet tall will just never be able to carry that much muscle, especially with average or bad genetics. What are the major differences in your life now because of this? I'm sure you get wayyyyy more female attention too.
Yes as to the female attention. Definitely noticed this although I've been in a committed relationship for a long time so it doesn't really matter anyways.
Differences are mostly to my own self-esteem and overarching sense of confidence/belief that I can achieve anything I put my mind to. Bodybuilding itself has been such an incredible learning experience and I've used the philosophy I implement for my training, nutrition, and overall fitness lifestyle to other endeavours to massive success. I developed this cheesy principle that I abide by and I've never shared this with anyone, but I refer to it as the PEC principle (lol). Proficiency, Efficiency, Consistency. Follow those 3 things and apply them to any endeavour or life goal.
I also had pretty bad gyno that really impacted my self-esteem and confidence. I got the gyno surgery in my mid 20s and that also had a substantial impact. It's really a large cycle with a bunch of individual variables thrown in. Each of those individual variables cascade out and impact others. I also believe that's how more 'negative' cycles begin.
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04-01-2023, 04:31 AM
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Best way to cope w/ the hunger is seeing how leaner your face gets...makes you wanna avoid heavy carbs and keep it up...
Problem is when you think you're invincible after awhile and binge on loads of chit
Problem is when you think you're invincible after awhile and binge on loads of chit
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
I gotta get the surgery too at some point, I actually wonder how different it would look if I got shredded. Stan Efferding always said that people who are serious about powerlifting or bodybuilding could easily become a millionaire if they took that same discipline and applied it to business. How old are you btw?Agreed. My genetics aren't great either. I had to work extremely hard to build what I have now when some dudes I know might get something comparable in a couple years of lifting. It's just the way she goes.
Yes as to the female attention. Definitely noticed this although I've been in a committed relationship for a long time so it doesn't really matter anyways.
Differences are mostly to my own self-esteem and overarching sense of confidence/belief that I can achieve anything I put my mind to. Bodybuilding itself has been such an incredible learning experience and I've used the philosophy I implement for my training, nutrition, and overall fitness lifestyle to other endeavours to massive success. I developed this cheesy principle that I abide by and I've never shared this with anyone, but I refer to it as the PEC principle (lol). Proficiency, Efficiency, Consistency. Follow those 3 things and apply them to any endeavour or life goal.
I also had pretty bad gyno that really impacted my self-esteem and confidence. I got the gyno surgery in my mid 20s and that also had a substantial impact. It's really a large cycle with a bunch of individual variables thrown in. Each of those individual variables cascade out and impact others. I also believe that's how more 'negative' cycles begin.
Yes as to the female attention. Definitely noticed this although I've been in a committed relationship for a long time so it doesn't really matter anyways.
Differences are mostly to my own self-esteem and overarching sense of confidence/belief that I can achieve anything I put my mind to. Bodybuilding itself has been such an incredible learning experience and I've used the philosophy I implement for my training, nutrition, and overall fitness lifestyle to other endeavours to massive success. I developed this cheesy principle that I abide by and I've never shared this with anyone, but I refer to it as the PEC principle (lol). Proficiency, Efficiency, Consistency. Follow those 3 things and apply them to any endeavour or life goal.
I also had pretty bad gyno that really impacted my self-esteem and confidence. I got the gyno surgery in my mid 20s and that also had a substantial impact. It's really a large cycle with a bunch of individual variables thrown in. Each of those individual variables cascade out and impact others. I also believe that's how more 'negative' cycles begin.
Originally Posted By Paulrut23⏩
Yeah, the face difference when you get lean is usually very dramatic.Best way to cope w/ the hunger is seeing how leaner your face gets...makes you wanna avoid heavy carbs and keep it up...
Problem is when you think you're invincible after awhile and binge on loads of chit
Problem is when you think you're invincible after awhile and binge on loads of chit
My video about height - youtube.com/watch?v=j5Y6u53lVJM
My video about Arnold - youtu.be/eM0X_KyIYb8
"In most cases bodybuilders are just drug addicts - nothing more, nothing less. It's not to put myself above them, it's just how it is" - Nasser El Sonbaty (RIP)
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Originally Posted By jamiejammer⏩
Mid 30s. It's also quite motivating that every year, I push it in terms of being in my best physical shape. If I compare myself at this age to when I was 18, I looked like an absolute slob back then. Muscle maturity is also really interesting over time. I'm really curious to see what I'll look like in another 30 years. Hopefully like Kaz, our resident samuraiI gotta get the surgery too at some point, I actually wonder how different it would look if I got shredded. Stan Efferding always said that people who are serious about powerlifting or bodybuilding could easily become a millionaire if they took that same discipline and applied it to business. How old are you btw?
Yeah, the face difference when you get lean is usually very dramatic.
Yeah, the face difference when you get lean is usually very dramatic.

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GJDM...Love hearing about the road you took...Can you talk more about the Mike Mentzer, Dorian Yates stuff you did? Did you quit alcohol to get the cut?
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165lbs.....
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Originally Posted By Uber_Dad⏩
Yates' blood n guts DVD was a massive turning point. That intensity and different approach to lifting were large motivators and revelations for me. From that point on, I switched out of really high volume and started implementing a 'heavy duty' or 'high intensity' approach. I roped my best bud into lifting and we trained together for many years, often imitating the videos without being as loudGJDM...Love hearing about the road you took...Can you talk more about the Mike Mentzer, Dorian Yates stuff you did? Did you quit alcohol to get the cut?
We'd push each other past the point of failure on the exercises we did. High intensity, lowered volume. I then read that Yates' approach was largely built on Mentzer's heavy duty approach and found this one series of videos where an older Mentzer is training a German dude and demonstrating his approach. I'll post some videos off Youtube in this post.I've never really been a regular drinker. I'll admit, my friends and I binge drank, and a lot of it. But we were weekenders. We'd get together on a Friday evening after a school or work week, make a bonfire in the woods or in a backyard, let off some steam, have a bunch of beers, get loaded, have fun. I've actually never drank daily. I had 1 beer the other day on my cheat day and I realized I hadn't had a drink in around 2 months. It was a 10.2% tripel too so it hit me like a fuking ton of bricks. I was sitting on the couch trying to chill for a half hour because I generally never stop moving and I had trouble getting up (lol). Evidently, if you want to cut properly, you're definitely going to have to stop consuming alcohol. I've cut in the past and had a bunch of beers with buds on the weekend but not regularly. You could treat it like a cheat meal in a way.
Here you go:
^^^ Imagine having a training partner like that lol. Now I'm getting all nostalgic and sentimental for the years my friend and I trained that way. Made some solid gains too. He's my childhood friend and we came up together in many ways. We live many hours from each other now and really don't see each other too often. Maybe twice a year.
Mentzer really clicked with me. He implemented a really well-thought out, intellectual, and scientific approach to lifting and the philosophy of bodybuilding that I liked a lot. It was really refreshing to hear him speak.
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