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post 1680334323 04-07-2023, 06:36 AM
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for sure

why would anyone not involved in pro sport want to lift heavy weights potentially tearing muscles and putting strain on their joints just to "look good"?
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
Physical attraction is a biological reality and physically fit people fulfill that evolutionary role.

Some people just enjoy lifting weights, it feels good, it's hard work but it gets your endorphins going.

So much marketing and business is based around making people feel insecure, but people enjoy playing sports and lifting weights.

I know it might seem strange, but some people enjoy putting in work in the gym or being professional athletes.

Anything worth doing in life requires struggle and adversity, being a mindless consumer does not.
You're conflating two different things there. Lifting weights in pursuit of a competitive advantage in something like a sport is different than lifting weights in regards to changing the look of one's body.

As a hobby, if not for pursuing a change in one's appearance (body dysmorphia) -- I bet 95% of people that currently lift weights wouldn't be doing it. Let's face it -- picking **** up over and over for a decade is boring as hell. But in the pursuit of a competitive advantage in sports -- ok. In the pursuit of changing one's body shape -- mentally disturbed.

Was it a biological reality that women mated throughout most of modern history without men giving a flying fuuuk about weight lifting? At one time being fat was the desirable body shape. At one time it was being skinny.

The whims of women change all the time. Don't be a beta male that caters to those whims and adopts body dysmorphia to please modern women. Their wet hole ain't worth all that.
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Originally Posted By iAmThaBestMan⏩
for sure

why would anyone not involved in pro sport want to lift heavy weights potentially tearing muscles and putting strain on their joints just to "look good"?
A logical thinking man has entered the room.
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Well is it? If you are super strict about needing to go to the gym...change the appearance of body parts...super regimented diet...supplements...you think it makes you a better version of yourself, etc than I think you are mentally unhealthy.

I think it's all a form of body dysmorphia that society turns a blind eye to. Like a mass delusion.

Shouldn't a person be happy with how their body naturally looks and performs instead of chasing some idealized form?

Now if you're like the old people that hit up the gym to just maintain muscle mass and joint health...that's something different.
When you post a question like this it is crucial to post the clinical definition so that we can discuss the topic with the same definition. Otherwise we are guessing what your definition is.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
When you post a question like this it is crucial to post the clinical definition so that we can discuss the topic with the same definition. Otherwise we are guessing what your definition is.
What if the clinical definition is formed within the parameters of the mass delusion thus not accounting for the topic I'm presenting.

I would like to discuss the topic with scholars in the field of psychology.
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Originally Posted By iAmThaBestMan⏩
for sure

why would anyone not involved in pro sport want to lift heavy weights potentially tearing muscles and putting strain on their joints just to "look good"?
To attract women, scare off threats, and be healthy. The ability to pick things up and put them down
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Doctors barely know what healthy is. They're the same ones that promoted the food pyramid.
No one's perfect. Doctors just need to be told about the "shredded pyramid".

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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
What if the clinical definition is formed within the parameters of the mass delusion thus not accounting for the topic I'm presenting.

I would like to discuss the topic with scholars in the field of psychology.
Well I didn't answer intentionally because I was unsure what your definition was.

People can take anything to extreme unhealthy levels, but our definition of unhealthy varies unless we have an agreed upon standard.
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
You're conflating two different things there. Lifting weights in pursuit of a competitive advantage in something like a sport is different than lifting weights in regards to changing the look of one's body.

As a hobby, if not for pursuing a change in one's appearance (body dysmorphia) -- I bet 95% of people that currently lift weights wouldn't be doing it. Let's face it -- picking **** up over and over for a decade is boring as hell. But in the pursuit of a competitive advantage in sports -- ok. In the pursuit of changing one's body shape -- mentally disturbed.

Was it a biological reality that women mated throughout most of modern history without men giving a flying fuuuk about weight lifting? At one time being fat was the desirable body shape. At one time it was being skinny.

The whims of women change all the time. Don't be a beta male that caters to those whims and adopts body dysmorphia to please modern women. Their wet hole ain't worth all that.
Calling someone mentally disturbed for wanting to be big and strong and putting in the work is pure cope.

Physical exercise, which improves your health and your attractiveness, is one of the most healthy things you can do.

Survival is a competition, so is mating, and being physically fit makes it a lot easier to survive and reproduce.

You want to gaslight or otherwise diminish the accomplishments of all these physically successful people.

If you don't even understand the appeal of lifting weights then why are you on a bodybuilding forum?

It just seems like sour grapes from seeing physically fit people and wanting to put them down.

So that you can feel better about yourself by putting down hypothetical people who enjoy lifting weights and getting strong and do not think about you at all.
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
I'm pretty sure if you gathered a group of 20 medical doctors they could come to a pretty definitive consensus on a person being at a healthy weight or not.
Not really.
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That’s the fun part of it, you are always chasing the pump, so dysmorphia lives on.
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
What if the clinical definition is formed within the parameters of the mass delusion thus not accounting for the topic I'm presenting.

I would like to discuss the topic with scholars in the field of psychology.
You will need an advanced degree to tell us plebs what to think from your ivory tower and not just chitpost on misc
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Originally Posted By ForumPatrol⏩
To attract women, scare off potential attackers, and be healthy. The ability to pick things up and put them down
To attract women...

Hence why I said the normalization of mental disturbances in modern society. People are literally crazy now and it's just normal.

Do you not think human bodies evolved to naturally look how they look with women mating with men all along the way? If this idealized body dismorphic body that people chase through weight training was always the preferred body type for female mating than why don't modern men look like apes with much more muscle naturally?

Why does a man doing natural stuff that humans have done for eons like hunting for food or farming just look like a normal dude that gym bros would ask "do you even lift"?

If you need to scare off potential attackers -- take your chances with a sidearm. Lifting weights as defense leaves a lot of room for things to go wrong out in the wild.

What does a normal man need to pick up and put down? Throughout human evolution what have men needed to pick up and put down?

This sounds like bro logic you've given.
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
To attract women...

Hence why I said the normalization of mental disturbances in modern society. People are literally crazy now and it's just normal.

Do you not think human bodies evolved to naturally look how they look with women mating with men all along the way? If this idealized body dismorphic body that people chase through weight training was always the preferred body type for female mating than why don't modern men look like apes with much more muscle naturally?

Why does a man doing natural stuff that humans have done for eons like hunting for food or farming just look like a normal dude that gym bros would ask "do you even lift"?

If you need to scare off potential attackers -- take your chances with a sidearm. Lifting weights as defense leaves a lot of room for things to go wrong out in the wild.

What does a normal man need to pick up and put down? Throughout human evolution what have men needed to pick up and put down?

This sounds like bro logic you've given.
Too much cope

do you even lift?
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
Calling someone mentally disturbed forwanting to be big and strong and putting in the work is pure cope.

Physical exercise, which improves your health and your attractiveness, is one of the most healthy things you can do.

Survival is a competition, so is mating, and being physically fit makes it a lot easier to survive and reproduce.

You want to gaslight or otherwise diminish the accomplishments of all these physically successful people.

If you don't even understand the appeal of lifting weights then why are you on a bodybuilding forum?

It just seems like sour grapes from seeing physically fit people and wanting to put them down.

So that you can feel better about yourself by putting down hypothetical people who enjoy lifting weights and getting strong and do not think about you at all.
Sounds like something somebodies momma would say -- "my baby is big and strong".

Physical exercise will improve one's health. But wanting to change one's body shape through regimented lifting of weights and religiously dieting isn't necessarily the same thing.

What is physically fit? A person can play full court basketball 4 days a week and be physically fit. And that's the rub -- a lot of people will mask their body dysmorphia with claiming they want to be physically fit. So you have men packing down obscene amounts of protein and religiously lifting weights and critiquing every body part claiming they are just trying to be physically fit. Bullsheet. It's a mental disturbance.

Don't be afraid to critique your own thoughts even if it means questioning everything you once believed.
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Well is it? If you are super strict about needing to go to the gym...change the appearance of body parts...super regimented diet...supplements...you think it makes you a better version of yourself, etc than I think you are mentally unhealthy.

I think it's all a form of body dysmorphia that society turns a blind eye to. Like a mass delusion.

Shouldn't a person be happy with how their body naturally looks and performs instead of chasing some idealized form?

Now if you're like the old people that hit up the gym to just maintain muscle mass and joint health...that's something different.
Yeah thats basically the clinical definition. The interesting thing is how many of the same disorders we all suffer from.
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
To attract women...

Hence why I said the normalization of mental disturbances in modern society. People are literally crazy now and it's just normal.

Do you not think human bodies evolved to naturally look how they look with women mating with men all along the way? If this idealized body dismorphic body that people chase through weight training was always the preferred body type for female mating than why don't modern men look like apes with much more muscle naturally?

Why does a man doing natural stuff that humans have done for eons like hunting for food or farming just look like a normal dude that gym bros would ask "do you even lift"?

If you need to scare off potential attackers -- take your chances with a sidearm. Lifting weights as defense leaves a lot of room for things to go wrong out in the wild.

What does a normal man need to pick up and put down? Throughout human evolution what have men needed to pick up and put down?

This sounds like bro logic you've given.
If you look at the muscular man he existed naturally across many cultures because of genetics, hormones, and a natural predisposition to be lean with muscle mass. They called it farmers muscle or corn fed muscle here. In Africa it had other names but was a genetic gift.
The clinical definition is a mental illness where you must do it ........while in reality 95% of the gym attendees just show up at the gym and hang out.

Improving self is not always a dysmorphic disorder
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Originally Posted By desslok⏩
Yeah thats basically the clinical definition. The interesting thing is how many of the same disorders we all suffer from.
It's actually kinda funny...especially from an alien perspective observing us. Women are batsheet crazy and they made men adopt being crazy along with a slew of other standards to get at there hole. I need a man with body dysmorphia, 6 figure income, hung like a horse, 7 feet tall, etc to get with me, LOL.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
If you look at the muscular man he existed naturally across many cultures because of genetics, hormones, and a natural predisposition to be lean with muscle mass. They called it farmers muscle or corn fed muscle here. In Africa it had other names but was a genetic gift.
The clinical definition is a mental illness where you must do it ........while in reality 95% of the gym attendees just show up at the gym and hang out.

Improving self is not always a dysmorphic disorder
Sure there are variances in natural muscle mass, but farmers muscles? Most gym bros would look at 99% of farmers and say "do you even lift?". Man evolved over millions of years and what you see without intense weight training and supplements and 200g a day protein diets is what led us to looking how we look in our natural form. Go to Africa or somewhere and look at those tribes of people that have been isolated from the modern world for who knows how long...what to the men look like? When I see pictures of 30 or 40 African tribal people together they usually all look lean but by idealized western standards today most men would say they are beanpoles.

Mass delusion has now engrained our heads that building muscle is improving self.
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
Calling someone mentally disturbed for wanting to be big and strong and putting in the work is pure cope.

Physical exercise, which improves your health and your attractiveness, is one of the most healthy things you can do.

Survival is a competition, so is mating, and being physically fit makes it a lot easier to survive and reproduce.

You want to gaslight or otherwise diminish the accomplishments of all these physically successful people.

If you don't even understand the appeal of lifting weights then why are you on a bodybuilding forum?

It just seems like sour grapes from seeing physically fit people and wanting to put them down.

So that you can feel better about yourself by putting down hypothetical people who enjoy lifting weights and getting strong and do not think about you at all.
Lifting weights is something that a driven and well rounded person would naturally want to do. The progression, experiencing different training approaches, practicing of technique and just putting in work to get better is what makes weight training enjoyable.

If we're being honest, everyone wants to look good, not just women. Men that are too lazy to exercise but describe working out as femine pursuit, are just jealous of guys with good physiques.
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Originally Posted By SpeakethTruth⏩
Lifting weights is something that a driven and well rounded person would naturally want to do. The progression, experiencing different training approaches, practicing of technique and just putting in work to get better is what makes weight training enjoyable.

If we're being honest, everyone wants to look good, not just women. Men that are too lazy to exercise but describe working out as femine pursuit, are just jealous of guys with good physiques.
Lifting weights is something that a driven and well rounded person naturally wants to do? What the fook are you talking about? Sound like spiritual yogi bullsheet. When in the hell did "training" even become something men thought about? You worked a job that had some degree of physical labor involved or you didn't.

A man that simply exercises as a byproduct of things he likes to do may have a certain degree of leanness and added muscle but he's not going to look like what men with dysmorphia are chasing with their regimented well researched muscle building routines, diets and supplements.
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Sure there are variances in natural muscle mass, but farmers muscles? Most gym bros would look at 99% of farmers and say "do you even lift?". Man evolved over millions of years and what you see without intense weight training and supplements and 200g a day protein diets is what led us to looking how we look in our natural form. Go to Africa or somewhere and look at those tribes of people that have been isolated from the modern world for who knows how long...what to the men look like? When I see pictures of 30 or 40 African tribal people together they usually all look lean but by idealized western standards today most men would say they are beanpoles.

Mass delusion has now engrained our heads that building muscle is improving self.
Well if they build it it is a personal choice like haircuts, clothing, car choice, homes, and any other personal choice that doesn't concern me. Conservatives call this freedoms.
A muscular build can be considered fashion like a phat ass on a woman now.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Well if they build it it is a personal choice like haircuts, clothing, car choice, homes, and any other personal choice that doesn't concern me. Conservatives call this freedoms.
A muscular build can be considered fashion like a phat ass on a woman now.
Like I said mental disturbances have become normalized....it's fashion baby.
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Like I said mental disturbances have become normalized....it's fashion baby.
Well what you consider a disturbance I call calming, relaxing, stress buster, artistic( body contouring shaping), mental test, fitness test, enjoyable, social, a hobby, a strength test, a fat destroyer, confidence builder.
After 20 years I have a good experimental period to be able to conclude what I posted.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Well what you consider a disturbance I call calming, relaxing, stress buster, artistic( body contouring shaping), mental test, fitness test, enjoyable, social, a hobby, a strength test, a fat destroyer, confidence builder.
After 20 years I have a good experimental period to be able to conclude what I posted.
And I'm not saying someone can't simply enjoy picking stuff up. The mental disturbance comes in when someone simply does it to change the look of what is otherwise a healthy body...they fixate on random body parts getting up to snuff, religiously adhere to a diet plan aimed at changing the look of their body which compliments the weight lifting.

I had this discussion elsewhere and someone insightfully put it like this:
For hundreds of years, Brazilian businessmen lamented "If only we could get those billions of Chinese to drink coffee instead of tea, we would be rich."

For decades, big businessmen lamented, "If only we could get millions of American men to be as vain as women, we would be rich."

Women spent millions on beauty products, but for most post-WWII men, all their grooming gear still fit in the little kit bag they were issued while in the service: A razor, shaving cream, a toothbrush, tooth paste, a comb, and a nail clipper. In the 1950s, a tube of Brylcream was added.

A big breakthrough was getting post 1970s men to buy hairspray, once long hair and a variety of hair styles became acceptable.

But nothing was a lucrative as the fitness industry Arnold Schwarzenegger inspired. A generation of WWII veterans who had jumped into Normandy, stormed Omaha Beach, or fought on Iwo Jima, and then came home to work physically demanding, blue collar jobs for the next 30 years had no reason to doubt their physicality.

Their sons and grandsons, however, their hands baby soft from from jerking off a pencil all day, or tapping away at keyboards in air conditioned offices were very susceptible. These were hands that did not swing hammers, turn wrenches, or pull rope. These were men who never staggered under a heavy back pack, dig a trench or a foxhole, run five miles in boots, or beat a diesel engine into submission.

These were the customers for every charlatan selling a gym membership, a diet plan, bath gel, expensive sneakers, or athletic clothing.

When you convince men that they must preen like peacocks to get female attention, you have tapped into a market that is willing to pay you anything. When men must become as decorative as women, they will spend like women.
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Well fear not. Out of my 8 high school friends at a recent dinner this week I am the only one that still lifts.
Most do it in high school and college and a few years after college then poof. Wife and kids ruins any chance at obsession and dismorphic tendencies.
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Bump for you fragile males out there obsessed with muscles and protein thinking your life will change.

Get help bros. Just because the masses accept being mentally disturbed doesn't mean you do.

I'm a retired person with more time to think while having a young mind than anyone on the planet. That's how I figured this out.
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Not really. Working out gives you a body that your ancestors had from having a physically active lifestyle. Even now despite not having seriously worked out in years, my body retains some muscle. Just doing a bit of yard work chisels out these natural guns.



This is how the average man is supposed to look without serious bodybuilding. But we have all the processed food and plastic in water that ruins our outer image. Men aren't supposed to look like stick figures or have dad bods. srs
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
Bump for you fragile males out there obsessed with muscles and protein thinking your life will change.

Get help bros. Just because the masses accept being mentally disturbed doesn't mean you do.

I'm a retired person with more time to think while having a young mind than anyone on the planet. That's how I figured this out.
You could ask this same question about any activity, how much is too much and obsession, who defines healthy levels?
How many drinks is too much, how many days a week?
There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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The main problem is that most men don't understand what Chad actually looks like.

What men think Chad Looks Like


What Chad actually looks like/What women think Chad looks like






THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE UPPER LIMIT OF ACTUAL CHAD'S MUSCULARITY, MASS, LOWEST BODYFAT, ETC
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