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post 1681010273 04-17-2023, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
MAID is a thing now in Canada.
It has been for a while, and it's a thing in many countries.
post 1681011843 04-17-2023, 08:06 PM
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post 1681012143 04-17-2023, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted By crupiea⏩
We can have that.

next payday, take a look at the part on your pay stub where it lists total deductions. it will list all the taxes and social security and all that.

Simply double that number. That will be your portion of universal health care.

Now look at your tax return. That line that says amount to be refunded to you. Delete that line.

There you go, you can now afford "free" healthcare. Sure, it technically will cost you way more than just having insurance but your feelings wont get hurt so there is that.

Now, if you also want free college. Double that deduction amount again on your paystub. Doesnt matter if you are going to school or have already paid your debt off. It will make you feel batter and that somehow seems to be what really counts.
Too bad a study, funded by the Koch brothers, completely disproved what you wrote here, groomer.
post 1681012293 04-17-2023, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted By IronFelix13⏩
Too bad a study, funded by the Koch brothers, completely disproved what you wrote here, groomer.
Also RAND did a study on it as well showing it would cost surprisingly little. Around 100B. That's literally just the Ukraine war lol.
post 1681012543 04-17-2023, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
Lmao I know people IRL who live in Canada and absolutely fking HATE universal health care. Some of them literally come out of pocket to see doctors in America because their healthcare system is so AIDS.
Wow...you know people.

I live here.

Wonder who knows best best.
post 1681012683 04-17-2023, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
Lmao I know people IRL who live in Canada and absolutely fking HATE universal health care. Some of them literally come out of pocket to see doctors in America because their healthcare system is so AIDS.
Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
If you get a tax refund, it's because you paid too much tax, and you're a poor tax planner.
That makes no sense.
post 1681014393 04-17-2023, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Banderistan⏩
The government isn't in control of our healthcare right now. For profit companies are. And they manipulate our regulations. The people need to take control back.
So if the government doesn't have absolute control of healthcare then it can't be held responsible for the things it does do to fuk with healthcare.

Just commie logic I suppose.
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post 1681024273 04-18-2023, 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
MAID is a thing now in Canada.
Yes, but only for people who have severe terminal illness like stage 4 cancer. Gradual death sentences like Alzheimer's aren't included. It's different in other countries.
post 1681024573 04-18-2023, 02:28 AM
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Communist healthcare is brutal for responsible citizens, I suffered for almost 2 years waiting for a specialist, was told NOT to go abroad to have my problem fixed, I was at wits end, luckily I finally got in, found out later going abroad would have been way faster (almost instant)

Lessons learned.

I do enjoy paying nearly 60% tax so some povertycel can have their tum tum fixed in the emergency room though, feels good everytime.
post 1681024873 04-18-2023, 02:55 AM
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We could honestly probably afford it IF we stopped all the wasteful spending everywhere else in the world.

But that’ll never happen. Instead they’ll just rape us peasants with even more taxes.
Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
Communist healthcare is brutal for responsible citizens, I suffered for almost 2 years waiting for a specialist, was told NOT to go abroad to have my problem fixed, I was at wits end, luckily I finally got in, found out later going abroad would have been way faster (almost instant)

Lessons learned.

I do enjoy paying nearly 60% tax so some povertycel can have their tum tum fixed in the emergency room though, feels good everytime.
Lol

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post 1681028763 04-18-2023, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted By Banderistan⏩
The government isn't in control of our healthcare right now. For profit companies are. And they manipulate our regulations. The people need to take control back.
I would rather for profit companies than the government. it's fine the way it is.
post 1681029143 04-18-2023, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
I would rather for profit companies than the government. it's fine the way it is.
Higher percentage of GDP spent on healthcare and poorer outcomes.
post 1681029313 04-18-2023, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Higher percentage of GDP spent on healthcare and poorer outcomes.
if true, it's still worth it
post 1681029543 04-18-2023, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
if true, it's still worth it
Lulz
post 1681029643 04-18-2023, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Lulz
what's funny about that? Our heathcare is actually great albeit expensive. Someone suggested that it is better off in the hands of the government and I just don't see how that could possibly be true.
post 1681029763 04-18-2023, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
what's funny about that? Our heathcare is actually great albeit expensive. Someone suggested that it is better off in the hands of the government and I just don't see how that could possibly be true.
Your use of "worth it" to describe paying more for lesser/poorer service is contradictory and lulzy.
post 1681029843 04-18-2023, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Your use of "worth it" to describe paying more for lesser/poorer service is contradictory and lulzy.
It is though
post 1681030033 04-18-2023, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
what's funny about that? Our heathcare is actually great albeit expensive. Someone suggested that it is better off in the hands of the government and I just don't see how that could possibly be true.
Or you could just give everyone access to a publicly funded insurance plan if they need it at any time, while keeping private insurance for everyone else. Which is how most of the OECD does healthcare.
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post 1681031093 04-18-2023, 07:01 AM
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Drug addicts, the morbidly obese, alcoholics, smokers, why should society pay for their healthcare?
post 1681031993 04-18-2023, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Drug addicts, the morbidly obese, alcoholics, smokers, why should society pay for their healthcare?
you'll get the "we pay it anyway indirectly through..." nonsense.
post 1681032013 04-18-2023, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Drug addicts, the morbidly obese, alcoholics, smokers, why should society pay for their healthcare?
You shouldn't talk about MAGA republicans that way.
post 1681032023 04-18-2023, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
Or you could just give everyone access to a publicly funded insurance plan if they need it at any time, while keeping private insurance for everyone else. Which is how most of the OECD does healthcare.
So death panels for everyone that cant afford the ridiculous private healthcare costs that result from this retarded idea

No thanks
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post 1681032273 04-18-2023, 07:28 AM
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Should the doctors get the 35% raise?
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post 1681032313 04-18-2023, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
So death panels for everyone that cant afford the ridiculous private healthcare costs that result from this retarded idea

No thanks
Our system definitely has its flaws, but at least we don't have to wait to see how much debt we're in after an (un)expected hospital visit.
post 1681032373 04-18-2023, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Our system definitely has its flaws, but at least we don't have to wait to see how much debt we're in after an (un)expected hospital visit.
exactly
post 1681032663 04-18-2023, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
So death panels for everyone that cant afford the ridiculous private healthcare costs that result from this retarded idea

No thanks
A public insurance option that anyone can access is going to decrease, not increase private healthcare costs. Private providers won't be able to extort ridiculous sums when they are competing with public plans which anyone can turn to if required.

As an example, private hip replacement at the best London Harley Street clinic costs about 10-15k in the UK, while the average cost for the same procedure is 40k in the US.

So your diabetes meds and fetal alcohol support care will drop in price, and everyone will be also covered regardless of circumstance.
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post 1681036973 04-18-2023, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Our system definitely has its flaws, but at least we don't have to wait to see how much debt we're in after an (un)expected hospital visit.
but we do have to wait and suffer while we die a slow death. it does seem like Canada has provided a solution to this via assisted suicide.
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post 1681037353 04-18-2023, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
but we do have to wait and suffer while we die a slow death. it does seem like Canada has provided a solution to this via assisted suicide.
That hasn't been my experience.

Also, MAID exists in many countries around the world and isn't new in Canada.
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Originally Posted By isingmodel⏩
A public insurance option that anyone can access is going to decrease, not increase private healthcare costs. Private providers won't be able to extort ridiculous sums when they are competing with public plans which anyone can turn to if required.

As an example, private hip replacement at the best London Harley Street clinic costs about 10-15k in the UK, while the average cost for the same procedure is 40k in the US.

So your diabetes meds and fetal alcohol support care will drop in price, and everyone will be also covered regardless of circumstance.
What was the cost of a hip replacement there prior to your implementation of communism?

Surely even someone with a 68 iq can understand what a silly comparison you've made in relation to the point you're trying to make
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If universal healthcare is the best option, then why do these countries that have it, also have private insurance? Why would private insurance be necessary, if the all might state is providing everyone with "free" healthcare?
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