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post 1682716503 05-14-2023, 07:12 PM
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Meta analysis shows soy doesn't decrease T

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33383165/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...90623820302926

....It's the people who worry about soy who need to worry about their T.
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post 1682716593 05-14-2023, 07:14 PM
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Big soy paid for that study
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Originally Posted By DYELstatus⏩
Big soy paid for that study
I could understand if it was one single study. However, a meta analysis is not one single study, but a combination of studies.
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post 1682716803 05-14-2023, 07:17 PM
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Always blows my mind people actually fell for something that wasn't even an article headline, but a MEME. Like I knew people lacked critical thinking skills but it blows my mind to see how many brainlets just regurgitate whatever they find online and accept it as fact without any research. Anyone who took even a second to do any research would know that the whole soy raises estrogen and decreases test was complete bs.
post 1682716843 05-14-2023, 07:18 PM
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OMG, we sooo agree. Like all three of us eat tons of soy and just look at us...

post 1682717283 05-14-2023, 07:26 PM
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Aware me why I should switch from regular milk to soy? Any benefits?
post 1682717383 05-14-2023, 07:28 PM
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post 1682717433 05-14-2023, 07:30 PM
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Soy can be yummy but I wouldn’t eat it all the time.

Soy sauce
Tofu in miso soup

Hmmm that’s about all I can think of that I like.

Actual whole soybeans are good, too.
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post 1682717493 05-14-2023, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Seeker4777⏩
Aware me why I should switch from regular milk to soy? Any benefits?
Well dairy milk has actual estrogen in it.
post 1682717993 05-14-2023, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted By roughinhouse⏩
Well dairy milk has actual estrogen in it.
We soy crew now misc?
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Originally Posted By Seeker4777⏩
Aware me why I should switch from regular milk to soy? Any benefits?
low fat
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post 1682718623 05-14-2023, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted By StrongAtheist⏩
low fat
imagine thinking that fat is bad.

DYEL?

lol what am i saying of course you dont
post 1682718853 05-14-2023, 07:58 PM
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Eating grilled tofu while I read this thread. Srs.

Based soy moggs
post 1682718873 05-14-2023, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed⏩
imagine thinking that fat is bad.

DYEL?

lol what am i saying of course you dont
Fat has the most calories
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Originally Posted By StrongAtheist⏩
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33383165/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...90623820302926

....It's the people who worry about soy who need to worry about their T.
I like tofu
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Originally Posted By Seeker4777⏩
Aware me why I should switch from regular milk to soy? Any benefits?
Why would anyone drink milk as an adult in the first place? How do you consume your milk? Do you drink in straight in a glass ?

Soy milk goes better with coffee than cow milk for example
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Of course they'd say that

Just like the sugar companies paid studies to say it wasn't bad for you
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
Why would anyone drink milk as an adult in the first place? How do you consume your milk? Do you drink in straight in a glass ?

Soy milk goes better with coffee than cow milk for example
I have milk with 150g of oats
Originally Posted By StrongAtheist⏩
low fat
that’s all you got? ****** can just buy low fat milk
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
Eating grilled tofu while I read this thread. Srs.

Based soy moggs
Cube up some extra firm, toss in corn meal, pan fry and toss in general tso’s sauce for some good stuff
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Edamame is cool too. I enjoy it like once a month at the all you can eat sushi place I go to.
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Do you know what a meta analysis is?
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Since I'm assuming you don't know what a meta analysis is, a meta analysis is where you just look at the findings from a bunch of studies and statistically add up the findings... You don't look for flaws or biases in how different studies may be set up, only the conclusions. So I could look back at the research findings from big pharma and correctly state that a meta analysis of oxycotin shows that oxycotin is not addictive. Because that's what these pharma studies were showing at the time.... Obviously we now know that the studies were bias and full of chit but that would be a correct meta analysis on oxytocin during that time. Meta analyst doesn't mean much bro.

The research studies themselves are the best guides to factual info. If you look into a study and find out the person preforming the study threw out people with certain side effects to get a desired outcome, you can draw your own conclusions on the accuracy of the study from that. I'd be more interested in looking over the studies used in this meta analysis and looking for flaws and biases one way or another in how the study was performed. Or if there was only like 3 people in a study. What was the control group? Who was funding the study. Stuff like that...
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Actually around 30g of soy protein per day is enough to increase estrogen levels by 10-15 percent while also reducing free test by around 15 percent
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Thought this was common knowledge at this point?

Soy is fine for most people. In fact, it has numerous health properties.
That's not to say it should replace meat, but it's plenty healthy and a decent source of protein.

I quite like edamame, tofu, and tempeh. Silk makes an unsweetened organic soy milk with 8g protein per serving that I use in shakes now and again.

I also usually make my smoothies with 1 scoop whey isolate and 1 scoop soy to switch things up.

There was a vegan YouTube fitness guys that's jacked named Brian Turner and he actually did a 30 day experiment where he ate a literal pound of soy a day for 30 days and tested his testosterone and estrogen before and after and neither were negatively impacted.
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Originally Posted By Seeker4777⏩
Aware me why I should switch from regular milk to soy? Any benefits?
You should never drink either.
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The obsession with studies in the recent two decades is quite harmful, it started with athletic failure lyle McDonald and he was trying to fight against bro science, a noble and good cause. But This went too far, a balance between personal experimentation, research done in relevant conditions, and logic and common sense is important. But all you get in the recent 20 years is just some retard saying: “well that’s not true because some absolute retard and a white lab coat got paid to say otherwise”

Use your ****ing brain, Asians eat soy because there aren’t enough cows there, it’s not their first choice, it blocks thyroid function during childhood development, and that’s why asians are smaller and more feminine, it doesn’t take a ****ing genius to figure this out, soy is also a processed food, you cannot be stupid enough to think it can possibly compare to grass fed steak or something.

Educate yourselves, you plebs:

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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
The obsession with studies in the recent two decades is quite harmful, it started with athletic failure lyle McDonald and he was trying to fight against bro science, a noble and good cause. But This went too far, a balance between personal experimentation, research done in relevant conditions, and logic and common sense is important. But all you get in the recent 20 years is just some retard saying: “well that’s not true because some absolute retard and a white lab coat got paid to say otherwise”

Use your ****ing brain, Asians eat soy because there aren’t enough cows there, it’s not their first choice, it blocks thyroid function during childhood development, and that’s why asians are smaller and more feminine, it doesn’t take a ****ing genius to figure this out, soy is also a processed food, you cannot be stupid enough to think it can possibly compare to grass fed steak or something.

Educate yourselves, you plebs:

How is "soy" a processed food you fuking retard?

First of all people don't eat "soy" by itself, they make soy milk and tofu. Soy milk is literally just soy beans ground up and boiled. Tofu is just curdled soy milk. Both products have been around for thousands of years. Are bread and cheese and beer also "processed" foods? Lol'd at you dropping "grass fed steak" as if it's some holy beacon of nutrition and high-test, you fuking bro-science 'mario-miami'-tier retard.
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