Not sure, but now he has a link

So many words per minute... so little sources.

The age of people dying WITH Covid keeps going up.
The share of claimed deaths over age 75 in 2020, before vaccines: 60%
The share of claimed deaths over age 75 in 2021: 44% (vaccines helped elderly)
The share of claimed deaths over age 75 now: 69%

And now 90% of the classified deaths are over age 65
Before vaccines 80% of the deaths were over age 65


And yet the elderly BY FAR receive the most benefit from the shots, and they're all fully vaxed and boosted while younger people are much less vaxed. So how can the share of the deaths in the elderly drop in 2021, then be consistently going up against a much milder form of the virus if they're so highly jabbed? It isn't possible. Unless theyaren'tdying FROM Covid. They're just old people dying who had Covid when they went to the hospital or nursing home for unrelated reasons. Nearly the entire US population has had Omicron variant in the last 10 months and every hospital admission is tested for it. 15-20% of all tests were coming back positive this summer. And everyone who dies within 60 days of that positive test is then classified as a "Covid-related death" by default.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...est=infections




And 90% of "hospitalized with Covid" now are hospitalized for reasons unrelated to having the virus.

Cliffs:


-Practically the entire US population has had Omicron Covid this year
-Every person hospitalized for unrelated reasons is tested for Covid
-Lots of people have always died in the hospital or soon after leaving the hospital since forever
-All people who die within 60 days of testing positive are classified as a "Covid related death"
-The death numbers are rigged, especially in 2022.

I linked two, one was brief and to the point, you refused to even acknowledge either, beyond saying the second was 'too long'. Piss off, moron.

All those statements are completely meaningless:

a) No one ever claimed the vaccine would 100% prevent you from getting infected or dying. That would have been an insane claim to make, no vaccine has ever claimed 100% effectiveness. So yes, while it's technically true that you can still get the vaccine and die, that's not disproving any claim made by anyone. It'd be like going around saying "some people wear seat belts and they still get into car crashes and die". You need to back up this claim with figures if you want it to have any meaning (ie: the vaccine claimed n% effectiveness at preventing death but in the end it only prevented death by (n-10)%).

b) Yes, it is common knowledge that the vaccine had side effects. Once again, no one ever said it didn't, and if you want to use it as an argument against the vaccine you need to provide data (ie: the vaccine only reduced deaths by 5% and side effects killed 10% of the people that took the vaccine therefore vaccines were counter productive).

How was the vaccine sold to us in the beginning? And why were people demonized if they didn't get it? Threatened, called selfish, possibly fired from their job, live life like a second class citizen, what was the point of it all?

The world's greatest tennis player can't even compete, because he's unvaccinated. Explain how that makes sense.

And what is with you people comparing seatbelts to masks and the vaccine????

Disagree, they have meaning, the weight of which is arguable.Actually, some are -- but yes, I agree. They *never*, even at the start, claimed it would be more than 95% iirc effective.Unfortunately, I've been going round-and-round for many posts now with someone (NYPiss) who is arguing that point. More, even - they are saying that the truthful statement is bullchit and a joke. The statement that the vaccine does not ensure you will not die from covid is utterly rejected by NYPat.The context in which these claims I made, were that "by every measurable metric" the vaccines were both safe and effective and that it was not up for debate. I simply think it's more subjective than that. Not that the vaccines are worthless, poison or anything else, just that it's up for conversation.

While I'm fine with debating someone who isn't insane about it, just wanted to highlight where we were and how we got there.

With your seatbelt analogy -- yes, if you get in a car crash, having a seatbelt is going to mitigate harm. However, for someone who will never be in a car, it would not really be necessary for them to carry a seatbelt around or strap one on them, which is my stance with the vaccine. Wearing a seatbelts also carries no inherent risk, which does differentiate itself from the vaccine.

You also glossed over, rather did not mention, a major selling point of the vaccines: They stop the spread, which we now know they did not even bother to test and they don't. We were all told to get vaccinated, even if we didn't fear covid, because they stop the spread and keep up from hurting elderly or sick people. That was bullchit and the pharm companies knew it.

In any event, so we're clear, I've never dismissed the vaccines entirely, I've never said everyone who takes them will experience harm, I've tried to measure my response to the known potential side effects of them -- I've just also weighed their usefulness, which does wane dramatically over time, with the known harm of covid itself.

If someone is at almost no risk of serious harm or death by catching covid, which a large segment of the population falls here, vaccination has little benefit. The majority of people who have died with or of covid were 80 years of age or older (as per the first link from the CDC I posted earlier). Young healthy people can decide for themselves how much benefit vaccination gives.I've never argued the vaccine is more dangerous than getting covid, in fact I've argued against that -- but I do take issue with your stance the nobody ever said the vaccines did not have side effects. There were many side effects that were not initially known, there were side effects that came out that were suppressed and there are potentially unknown side effects we still do not know about. Throughout, big pharm and it's paid-off pawns have attacked and censored anyone really looking into this or talking about it. While it might be common knowledge any medicine/treatment has some potential side-effects, overall they've used their power to minimize this debate.

For the record, everything I've seen suggests the known side effects are rare and I personally know nobody irl that suffered long-term major issues with vaccination.

Bump, curious is pisspants wants to come back. Probably to Derp about, "duur stil no proff" in his delusional world where the vaccine prevents everyone from getting Covid forever and ever.

Heard close to 100 people showed up to do the first Power Test for CPD, when they were told they needed to be vaccinated, something like 15-20 of them walked off.

Someone explain to me, why they need to not only be vaccinated, but be required to get the booster shot, if 6 months have passed.

But but but Fauci said

Can they even explain why someone should get it present day? We all know Wincel does the whole, "Hurr Durr, it reduces your symptoms," line, but the variant has to be so weak now, that it's no different than a cold.

It's a different story if you don't force a binary death/no death on outcomes.

RainMan, should someone still get the first jab, present day, if they haven't already?

If they want to. They're still available, yeah?

Not getting the Fauci Juice injection was one of the best decisions I've made in a long time.

But why should they get it RainMan?

I said if they want it.

Omg you all need to get your boosters. We’re all in this together. Think of those too young to get a vaccine like those that were just born.

See sig. literally shaking right now because of the selfishness around here