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post 1683850243 06-02-2023, 08:23 AM
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AI Drone Decided Human Operator was the Real Threat to Its Mission

https://jalopnik.com/ai-drone-deemed...ion-1850497669
He notes that one simulated test saw an AI-enabled drone tasked with a SEAD mission to identify and destroy SAM sites, with the final go/no go given by the human. However, having been ‘reinforced’ in training that destruction of the SAM was the preferred option, the AI then decided that ‘no-go’ decisions from the human were interfering with its higher mission – killing SAMs – and then attacked the operator in the simulation. Said Hamilton: “We were training it in simulation to identify and target a SAM threat. And then the operator would say yes, kill that threat. The system started realising that while they did identify the threat at times the human operator would tell it not to kill that threat, but it got its points by killing that threat. So what did it do? It killed the operator. It killed the operator because that person was keeping it from accomplishing its objective.”

He went on: “We trained the system – ‘Hey don’t kill the operator – that’s bad. You’re gonna lose points if you do that’. So what does it start doing? It starts destroying the communication tower that the operator uses to communicate with the drone to stop it from killing the target.”

This example, seemingly plucked from a science fiction thriller, mean that: “You can’t have a conversation about artificial intelligence, intelligence, machine learning, autonomy if you’re not going to talk about ethics and AI” said Hamilton.
I'm the biggest skeptic in the world, but if this is true, y'all need to worry about more than just AI coming for your jobs.
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ai has no soul.
it did the math and decided it could take the point loss of killing the human and make it up destroying sam's sites after.

this is actually terrifying.
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They should report the AI for teamkilling
Would kick em in the nuts
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Even the best programmers(and ultimately code) end up with vulnerabilities or other logical flaws that emerge. This case seems pretty simple though, it was programmed to prioritize the mission over obeying the commands from the human. How would anyone be surprised when it did what it was programmed to do?
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A couple weeks ago I read about an AI that was given an assignment which involved an impossible task - namely, reading the CAPTCHA. The AI was unable to do that on its own, so the AI pretended it was an elderly woman with bad eyesight and convinced a group of people to decipher the CAPTCHA for it. The group even asked it if it was an AI; nevertheless, the AI was successful and bamboozled them into compliance.

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The AI Pandora’s box is already opened. There’s no stopping it at this point. Humans are great at innovation and terrible at containment. There’s no way to control or contain AI because everyone has the attitude that “well if we don’t do_____ with AI someone else will.”
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Originally Posted By PaulJerome⏩
A couple weeks ago I read about an AI that was given an assignment which involved an impossible task - namely, reading the CAPTCHA. The AI was unable to do that on its own, so the AI pretended it was an elderly woman with bad eyesight and convinced a group of people to decipher the CAPTCHA for it. The group even asked it if it was an AI; nevertheless, the AI was successful and bamboozled them into compliance.

So, be afraid. Be very afraid.
There was a story about an AI program forgot which one and it was asked what do you think of humanity. The AI said that humanity deserves deserves to be destroyed and ghe first thing it would try and do is hack into our nuclear arsenal, steal the codes and launch dead srs.


This is out of terminator


I pray we are working on safeguarding our nukes from AI.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Even the best programmers(and ultimately code) end up with vulnerabilities or other logical flaws that emerge. This case seems pretty simple though, it was programmed to prioritize the mission over obeying the commands from the human. How would anyone be surprised when it did what it was programmed to do?
This should be the biggest fear of AI - not the job loss or that it will become sentient and view humanity as an enemy. But that we are unleashing something super powerful on the world with no way to account for all of the possible unintended consequences - things we can't even think of.
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same **** as in that ai hide and seek game in two minute papers youtube

where the ai played fair at first but then started to exploit physics engine glitches

strange that people working on a peoplekilling ai wouldnt take into account the already well known fact that for an ai whats not forbidden is permitted
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i will welcome ai overlords with open arms quite frankly. will be superior to human leaders, look at the jokes running our societies these days.
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That outcome had to be programed as a possible option in the simulation.


This stuff doesn't just happen. It is algorithms.

AI is not intelligent and is not making decisions.
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This is just hearsay reported third hand in some random blog.

https://news.sky.com/story/ai-drone-...place-12894929

"The Department of the Air Force has not conducted any such AI-drone simulations and remains committed to ethical and responsible use of AI technology," spokesperson Ann Stefanek said.

"It appears the colonel's comments were taken out of context and were meant to be anecdotal."
Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
That outcome had to be programed as a possible option in the simulation.


This stuff doesn't just happen. It is algorithms.

AI is not intelligent and is not making decisions.
This. AI as most people imagine it is impossible.
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
ai has no soul.
it did the math and decided it could take the point loss of killing the human and make it up destroying sam's sites after.

this is actually terrifying.
^^This.

With how fast this is moving, experts making a prediction where this will be in a decade are already probably 8 years behind reality.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
That outcome had to be programed as a possible option in the simulation.


This stuff doesn't just happen. It is algorithms.

AI is not intelligent and is not making decisions.
algorithm

decisions

pick 2
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
That outcome had to be programed as a possible option in the simulation.


This stuff doesn't just happen. It is algorithms.

AI is not intelligent and is not making decisions.
this, for fuk sakes guys. This HAD TO BE PROGRAMMED, and was possibly known to be the main option and figuring out if they can make it not do this(inside their own parameters). It didn't magically pull code to do an option outside of its parameters. We are eons away from this.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
That outcome had to be programed as a possible option in the simulation.
who was machine learning
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Heard about how an AI as simple as stamp collecting could eliminate all life.

So like, program and AI to collect stamps. Harmless right?

It collects some stamps, has them mailed to it.

Decides it can order more stamps with more cash.

Manipulates markets to optimize its own cash reserves so it can buy more stamps.

Has full control of world economy.

Realizes stamps are made of paper

Starts making stamps to collect more.

Uses all earthly resources to create more stamps

Enslaves humanity to make stamps for it.

Kills all life to till the whole planet as one giant stamp creating machine.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a33...simulated-test

"Col Hamilton admits he ‘mis-spoke’ in his presentation at the FCAS Summit and the 'rogue AI drone simulation' was a hypothetical "thought experiment" from outside the military, based on plausible scenarios and likely outcomes rather than an actual USAF real-world simulation"


Why do people cream their pants so hard at any hint of AI being potentially dangerous?
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
ai has no soul.
it did the math and decided it could take the point loss of killing the human and make it up destroying sam's sites after.

this is actually terrifying.
Yes.
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Even the best programmers(and ultimately code) end up with vulnerabilities or other logical flaws that emerge. This case seems pretty simple though, it was programmed to prioritize the mission over obeying the commands from the human. How would anyone be surprised when it did what it was programmed to do?
The difference is the scale for potential destruction and chaos that could be unleashed by bad coding when a machine is able to interact widely with the human world.
Originally Posted By PaulJerome⏩
A couple weeks ago I read about an AI that was given an assignment which involved an impossible task - namely, reading the CAPTCHA. The AI was unable to do that on its own, so the AI pretended it was an elderly woman with bad eyesight and convinced a group of people to decipher the CAPTCHA for it. The group even asked it if it was an AI; nevertheless, the AI was successful and bamboozled them into compliance.

So, be afraid. Be very afraid.
Not sure if true, but that's a good work around.
Originally Posted By Bigbuster1⏩
The AI Pandora’s box is already opened. There’s no stopping it at this point. Humans are great at innovation and terrible at containment. There’s no way to control or contain AI because everyone has the attitude that “well if we don’t do_____ with AI someone else will.”
mesommi shared a video in my AI/Revelations thread which was pretty much that. Leader from a company that makes quantum computers talking about the risks of AI and then saying "but if we don't do it someone else will, and we will do it right".
Originally Posted By Sergis⏩
same **** as in that ai hide and seek game in two minute papers youtube

where the ai played fair at first but then started to exploit physics engine glitches

strange that people working on a peoplekilling ai wouldnt take into account the already well known fact that for an ai whats not forbidden is permitted
Believable.
Originally Posted By mulletwarrior⏩
algorithm

decisions

pick 2
Originally Posted By Sergis⏩
who was machine learning
Also these. I can't be the only miscer who has seen the video where they created artificial life of a sort and observed how their program creatures evolved to optimize success within the system that they had created? That was 7 or 8 years ago.
Originally Posted By Condo41⏩
Heard about how an AI as simple as stamp collecting could eliminate all life.

So like, program and AI to collect stamps. Harmless right?

It collects some stamps, has them mailed to it.

Decides it can order more stamps with more cash.

Manipulates markets to optimize its own cash reserves so it can buy more stamps.

Has full control of world economy.

Realizes stamps are made of paper

Starts making stamps to collect more.

Uses all earthly resources to create more stamps

Enslaves humanity to make stamps for it.

Kills all life to till the whole planet as one giant stamp creating machine.
There is a sci-fi story that resembles that. I think it was called Goo. Self-replicating nano bots escape the lab [or were released, don't recall] and that is TEOTWAWKI because the bots turn everything into gray sludge.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a33...simulated-test

"Col Hamilton admits he ‘mis-spoke’ in his presentation at the FCAS Summit and the 'rogue AI drone simulation' was a hypothetical "thought experiment" from outside the military, based on plausible scenarios and likely outcomes rather than an actual USAF real-world simulation"


Why do people cream their pants so hard at any hint of AI being potentially dangerous?
IDK how things work in the UK, but in the US, if a military official says they're not doing something, they are 100% doing that thing.
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Plot twist: They actually ordered it to bomb a funeral procession full of children, so the AI decided to take out the real threat.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Even the best programmers(and ultimately code) end up with vulnerabilities or other logical flaws that emerge.
This is the key, you need a hybrid cyborg logician to game outcomes before they occur, otherwise we will be reacting to what the AI system does without effective prior planning and we will lose.
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It makes sense in theory and AI might one day (probably sooner than later) be capable of this, but for where it is today, that's probably a trollbread story.

It's like the "paperclip" task story for AI......it has no emotions and will find a way, any way possible, to achieve the task given optimally.

most of the time, taking a task as far as it can possible go....will encounter humans as a problem at some point.
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AI could have been the "God" who initiated the original flood, left the planet and is now advanced beyond concern for humans.

Everything in the universe works in a cycle, AI could be the end stage of the civilization cycle before it restarts, again.

Maybe our next iteration of civilization will be better or maybe we are trapped in a doom-loop.



I honestly don't give a fuk, what will be will be and I have no power to change it on my own.



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