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post 1685312123 06-25-2023, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
So when do you think those that took the jab will acquire this immunity?
Pharmacokinetics indicate 7-10 days post-inoculation.

(You provided a link for acquired immunity)
post 1685312423 06-25-2023, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Pharmacokinetics indicate 7-10 days post-inoculation.

(You provided a link for acquired immunity)
People that received the vaccine haven’t acquired immunity tho..
post 1685312923 06-25-2023, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
People that received the vaccine haven’t acquired immunity tho..
Sounds like we need to change the definition of immunity
“It’s the bill of rights, not the bill of requests. Rights are not up for negotiations.” Thomas Massie, MAGA enemy #1
post 1685313453 06-25-2023, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Sounds like we need to change the definition of immunity
They’ll get to that next “pandemic” one definition change per crisis
post 1685317053 06-26-2023, 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
I've already seen enough from him to know he's a nutjob. Not going to watch a 3 hr podcast full of bullshyt. Oh a typo huh? So would you be willing to take an Ochem quiz?

List the "lies" you found, you piece of chit.
Would you take an ochem quiz? Do a little radical bromination for me?
post 1685317163 06-26-2023, 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted By TheScapeGOAT⏩
Would you take an ochem quiz? Do a little radical bromination for me?
It's been over a decade, but radical bromination is not complicated...
post 1685320403 06-26-2023, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
Why would anyone ever prefer a virus to a vaccine? Just fkin lmao @ low iq pleb antivaxxer subhumans.

Would you rather go into combat with a green noob or some seasoned veteran? There you go.
How effective is the jab, 12 months later?
post 1685320543 06-26-2023, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
How effective is the jab, 12 months later?
Not great at this point. Still better than getting the damn virus. If you haven't been infected or vaccinated, you should get vaccinated.
post 1685320593 06-26-2023, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
It's been over a decade, but radical bromination is not complicated...
Gotta part ways with you boys here. We had mandatory organic chem in undergrad and it done things to my anus I couldn't even conceive of.


Maybe I just don't have the mathematical mind to deal with organic chem's complexity and got deferred down the path of cognitive science/evolution instead.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
post 1685321423 06-26-2023, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
Not great at this point. Still better than getting the damn virus. If you haven't been infected or vaccinated, you should get vaccinated.
Have you gotten all of the boosters/are up to date?
post 1685321973 06-26-2023, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
Not great at this point. Still better than getting the damn virus. If you haven't been infected or vaccinated, you should get vaccinated.
Why? The variant is so weak now, that it's comparable to a cold.
post 1685322173 06-26-2023, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
Why would anyone ever prefer a virus to a vaccine? Just fkin lmao @ low iq pleb antivaxxer subhumans.

Would you rather go into combat with a green noob or some seasoned veteran? There you go.
does the vax get me out of work for a week?
does the vax give me the best sleep since I was a teenager?
post 1685322333 06-26-2023, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul
People that received the vaccine haven’t acquired immunity tho..
They have acquired (humoral and cell-mediated) immunity.
post 1685322353 06-26-2023, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Sounds like we need to change the definition of immunity
Sounds like some folks just need to read the definitions they post.
post 1685322593 06-26-2023, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
Still better than getting the damn virus.
False
post 1685322613 06-26-2023, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Sounds like some folks just need to read the definitions they post.
Kind of like some folks need to realize it’s impossible to have longterm studies on things that have existed for less than five years.
post 1685322713 06-26-2023, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
They have acquired (humoral and cell-mediated) immunity.
They're not immune, they still get it, and still suffer symptoms.
post 1685322753 06-26-2023, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted By ThePD⏩
False
I just don't understand why he cares whether or not an individual gets the jab?
post 1685323973 06-26-2023, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
"Not great" is not a number.

So much for the "brilliant academic" who is "good at math".

One doesn't have to wonder why you went with "not great" instead of a specific efficacy.
Also, "still better than getting the virus" when it's offering little to no protection from said virus...lol @ pseudointellectuals.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Gotta part ways with you boys here. We had mandatory organic chem in undergrad and it done things to my anus I couldn't even conceive of.


Maybe I just don't have the mathematical mind to deal with organic chem's complexity and got deferred down the path of cognitive science/evolution instead.
Ochem had zero math. It was just all memorizing annoying ass rules that honestly you mostly can forget about if you aren't a chemist. The only thing that really matters is the stuff used in biochem. Like you do need to understand steric hindrance, DNA, proteins, carbohydrates, lipids, stereochemistry, and basic properties of alcohols, ketones, and sugars. Other than that, it's really w/e.

Polymer chemists care more obviously. Probably the most overrated class IMO. Everyone acts like Ochem is a rly srs class, when it just plain sucks. People do poorly only because it is so different from other science classes.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Also, "still better than getting the virus" when it's offering little to no protection from said virus...lol @ pseudointellectuals.
How is it better to expose yourself to a virus over some fragment of a closely related protein from said virus? Why would you not want prior immunity? Even if the virus has mutated, there is still a benefit from having something close to start with. It is ridiculous that in 2023, someone has to explain the merits of vaccination to you.
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
It's been over a decade, but radical bromination is not complicated...
I was checking you took orgo. I don’t mind people being called out but you gotta back it up. What was your major? Just curious.
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
How is it better to expose yourself to a virus over some fragment of a closely related protein from said virus?
"Not great" = little to no protection, so why get the "not great" vax and then potentially end up getting the virus on top of it anyway since the level of protection offered is "not great"?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
They're not immune, they still get it, and still suffer symptoms.
Kinda like people who were previously infected?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Kinda like people who were previously infected?
That's irrelevant when discussing the effectiveness of the "vaccine".
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Kind of like some folks need to realize it’s impossible to have longterm studies on things that have existed for less than five years.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20490351
post 1685324753 06-26-2023, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
"Not great" = little to no protection, so why get the "not great" vax and then potentially end up getting the virus on top of it anyway since the level of protection offered is "not great"?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2215471

Not little to no protection. It's just...not great. Around 40 to 80% effective but that was for older strains. It prepares your immune system so when you do get the virus, it won't be as bad.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
That's irrelevant when discussing the effectiveness of the "vaccine".
But quite relevant when for some reason people are debating the meaning of acquired immunity.
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Early on - he loses me immediately.

When he called Dr. Hotez reasonable and a good source of information -- well, he played his hand. However big a quack or right or wrong RFK Jr is or isn't -- Hoetz or whatever his name is, I've seen with my own eyes he is a bad source of information, a liar and a shill.

Promoting a bad actor discredits this guy in my book, I don't know anything about him, he looks like a political activist type, but I hate to judge on looks, but then off the gate he says something demonstrably idiotic that reinforces this notion he himself is not someone to be listened to.

Who is this guy in the video again and why should I listen to anything else he says when he's shown he is unreliable?

Edit: I went to his channel... all the videos are "masks work", "insane lab leak theories", "vaccines are better than natural immunity", etc...

And none of this makes RFK Jr right or wrong, either - but I don't see how someone demonstrably smart-talking and wrong like this is a source I care about, either.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

- Arthur Schopenhauer
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I know why you are refusing to address it, and so do you. One of these days you might want to engage in an intellectually honest conversation - until then I will keep making you look like the fool you are.
Address what?
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
As usual, in a thread like this - Kreulian logic has been put forth.

While you don't endorse it directly, you pursue character attacks against those who question his nonsense.
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