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post 1685341013 06-26-2023, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted By JDsSpoons⏩
Why did Trump spend billions of our money on failed mRNA covid jabs?
Why did you take it if you consider it a failure?
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
down here it is by the state. In PA it says all those vaxxes are required but they can't actually stop the student from being enrolled and attending school if they are not.
We have exemptions here.
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Originally Posted By Paul
I’m well aware, I’ve shared before, I would not get Shingles vaccine had I known the side effects it caused.

This goes back to my original statement, are vaccines worth the risk?
Do you think your experience with the shingles vaccine influenced your position of covid and other vaccines?
post 1685343983 06-26-2023, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Do you think your experience with the shingles vaccine influenced your position of covid and other vaccines?
A bit, but I’ve only taken one other vaccine in my adult life, flu vaccine, & aside from Dec. of 2019, it is the only time I was truly sick that I could not get out of bed.

The vaccines I’ve had personally taken, I do not find them to be safe
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Governments took action against kids who weren't vaccinated for polio?

I've seen suspension at the local school level, but nothing that looks like government imposed punishment.

I've stated my position on covid vaccine mandates, repeatedly.

I believe covid vaccine mandates did more harm than good.
Im talking about covid policies
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post 1685344523 06-26-2023, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
A bit, but I’ve only taken one other vaccine in my adult life, flu vaccine, & aside from Dec. of 2019, it is the only time I was truly sick that I could not get out of bed.

The vaccines I’ve had personally taken, I do not find them to be safe
Polio, DTaP, MMR, pertussis, rotavirus, meningitis all unsafe? Less safe than infections without acquired immunity (aka iimmunonaive)?
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Im talking about covid policies
Ah, thanks for clarifying. You said the slippery slope began before covid vaccines.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Polio, DTaP, MMR, pertussis, rotavirus, meningitis all unsafe?

Less safe than infections without acquired immunity (aka iimmunonaive)?
Polio was practically gone before the vaccine even came out. DTaP (Tripedia) lists autism as a side effect, MMR causes upper respiratory illnesses, as well as having links to autism. Pertussis (whopping cough) causes brain damage, not to mention a deadly strain was linked with the vaccine itself..I can go on & on, vaccines are not safe, that’s just the reality of it.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Polio was practically gone before the vaccine even came out. DTaP (Tripedia) lists autism as a side effect, MMR causes upper respiratory illnesses, as well as having links to autism. Pertussis (whopping cough) causes brain damage, not to mention a deadly strain was linked with the vaccine itself..I can go on & on, vaccines are not safe, that’s just the reality of it.
Okay.

Would you say you are opposed to all routine vaccines?

It's hard to tell if you're taking about the diseases or the vaccines.
post 1685346723 06-26-2023, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Okay.

Would you say you are opposed to all routine vaccines?

It's hard to tell if you're taking about the diseases or the vaccines.
I’m talking about the effects of the vaccine itself.
Do you deny what I stated?
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Originally Posted By Paul
I’m talking about the effects of the vaccine itself.
Do you deny what I stated?
Since there's no evidence of your claims, yes.

But, that's fine.

Would you say you're opposed to routine vaccines?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Since there's no evidence of your claims, yes.

But, that's fine.

Would you say you're opposed to routine vaccines?
Well let’s go through them one by one..

They had to pull the Polio vaccine it was such a failure lol..

“In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

We are going to get into the effects of all the vaccines you listed in depth, but I have to get back to work, so we will continue this conversation later
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Originally Posted By Paul
Well let’s go through them one by one..

They had to pull the Polio vaccine it was such a failure lol..

“In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/by

We are going to get into the effects of all the vaccines you listed in depth, but I have to get back to work, so we will continue this conversation later
Right. Is your understanding that that vaccine is still used routinely?

Would you say you're opposed to routinely used vaccines?


"The Cutter incident had an ambivalent legacy. On the one hand, it led to the effective federal regulation of vaccines, which today enjoy a record of safety `unmatched by any other medical product'. On the other hand, the court ruling that Cutter was liable to pay compensation to those damaged by its polio vaccine—even though it was not found to be negligent in its production—opened the floodgates to a wave of litigation. As a result, `vaccines were among the first medical products almost eliminated by lawsuits'. Indeed, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was introduced in 1986 to protect vaccine manufacturers from litigation on a scale that threatened the continuing production of vaccines. Still, many companies have opted out of this low-profit, high-risk field, leaving only a handful of firms to meet a growing demand (resulting in recent shortages of flu and other vaccines)."
post 1685349393 06-26-2023, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Right. Is your understanding that that vaccine is still used routinely?

Would you say you're opposed to routinely used vaccines?


"The Cutter incident had an ambivalent legacy. On the one hand, it led to the effective federal regulation of vaccines, which today enjoy a record of safety `unmatched by any other medical product'. On the other hand, the court ruling that Cutter was liable to pay compensation to those damaged by its polio vaccine—even though it was not found to be negligent in its production—opened the floodgates to a wave of litigation. As a result, `vaccines were among the first medical products almost eliminated by lawsuits'. Indeed, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was introduced in 1986 to protect vaccine manufacturers from litigation on a scale that threatened the continuing production of vaccines. Still, many companies have opted out of this low-profit, high-risk field, leaving only a handful of firms to meet a growing demand (resulting in recent shortages of flu and other vaccines)."
Oh don’t worry, we’ll get into the Polio vaccine used today & it’s side effects.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Oh don’t worry, we’ll get into the Polio vaccine used today & it’s side effects.
I'm sure we will

Would you say you're opposed to routinely used vaccines?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Forced? No.
Should it be a requirement?
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
No one is tied down and injected, true. But we saw a large increase in government imposed punishments against people that dont want this injection, which I can only assume, since you refuse to clearly take a position, you support. I can also only assume you will support greater expansion of these violations of bodily autonomy in the future
Reminds me of Nutsy talking about how nobody was "forced," sure, don't get it, and you'll be fired, and live worse than a second class citizen......
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Should it be a requirement?
I'm not sure it makes sense at this point, that genie isn't going back into the bottle.

While acute complications from covid are less likely in kids than in adults, the risk is greater than with other vaccine-preventable diseases for which there are requirements.

I think risk mitigation in school settings makes sense and I'm not opposed to other routine vaccinations.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Reminds me of Nutsy talking about how nobody was "forced," sure, don't get it, and you'll be fired, and live worse than a second class citizen......
Plenty of people were threatened with taking the jab or having their lives destroyed in one way or another, and this should not be an acceptable way to conduct a civilized society. Yet we have these communists playing these stupid games. Just goes to show you, the right should have put their foot down on all this nonsense 30 years ago.

If you want to live a free life you have to either stomp these swine out, or ostracize them (national divorce). Anything else leads to clown world. 100% probability.
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
Plenty of people were threatened with taking the jab or having their lives destroyed in one way or another, and this should not be an acceptable way to conduct a civilized society. Yet we have these communists playing these stupid games. Just goes to show you, the right should have put their foot down on all this nonsense 30 years ago.

If you want to live a free life you have to either stomp these swine out, or ostracize them (national divorce). Anything else leads to clown world. 100% probability.
lmao the right was the side pushing for vaccines

that was back when they were educated
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
lmao the right was the side pushing for vaccines

that was back when they were educated
Still can't explain why you care whether or not I get the jab. How does it affect your life? How does it affect society?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Still can't explain why you care whether or not I get the jab. How does it affect your life? How does it affect society?
I already explained that. I don't particularly care what you do about covid at this point, but in general, during a pandemic, if we have a vaccine, everyone ought to get vaccinated to help reduce the spread and burden of the disease to society. Very simple.
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
I already explained that. I don't particularly care what you do about covid at this point,but in general, during a pandemic, if we have a vaccine, everyone ought to get vaccinated to help reduce the spread and burden of the disease to society. Very simple.
Well... unless of course there's a president that we don't like in the White House.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Well... unless of course there's a president that we don't like in the White House.
Again, I don't care for the politics of the situation. Vaccination should not be a political issue, and I have actually applauded Trump for doing his part on that, in spite of his absolutely piss poor leadership and terrible messaging to the public on covid.
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
Again, I don't care for the politics of the situation.Vaccination should not be a political issue, and I have actually applauded Trump for doing his part on that, in spite of his absolutely piss poor leadership and terrible messaging to the public on covid.
But it was.

Everything about covid was political from day one.

Liberals made it political - and disagreement from any of you liberal Ronaholics not even once.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
But it was.

Everything about covid was political from day one.

Liberals made it political - and disagreement from any of you liberal Ronaholics not even once.
That's what politicians do - incite their base to gain or retain power.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
But it was.

Everything about covid was political from day one.

Liberals made it political - and disagreement from any of you liberal Ronaholics not even once.
Do you think the virus cared if someone was Republican, guy? Also, it was Republican governors and Democratic ones alike who signed the lockdown orders and mandates. So just process that for a second.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Source?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9902035/
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
I already explained that. I don't particularly care what you do about covid at this point, but in general, during a pandemic, if we have a vaccine, everyone ought to get vaccinated to help reduce the spread and burden of the disease to society. Very simple.
It doesn't reduce the spread though. ****s sake Wincel, you do know this......right?
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Originally Posted By Putinist⏩
Do you think the virus cared if someone was Republican, guy? Also, it was Republican governors and Democratic ones alike who signed the lockdown orders and mandates. So just process that for a second.
Red states locked down for a month and a half, to two months, and then opened back up.

People like you Reeeeeeed over their decision to open back up.
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