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post 1685759163 07-02-2023, 11:41 PM
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Supreme Court knocks down loan forgiveness. But they employ a BS rationale to do so.

So, SCOTUS ruled Biden did not have authority via the Heroes Act to forgive loans. You borrow money, you pay it back, they say. Biden loses. End of story.




Not yet. The Major Questions Doctrine was used in the case:https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12077. Cliffs, as I understand, is that on questions of major political or economic weight Congress can override delegated authority.


But I've read that this was not used before Roberts took over the court. And it's claimed to be completely fabricated. It sounds like a contrived and "farcical" doctrine with no legal standing. Why might the SCOTUS want it or use it?

Because, it gives a way for the conservative elements of the court to feign legal weight to their ideological agenda and shoot down policies which are either liberalistic or just benefit the common folk. They realize loan forgiveness it helps the underprivileged enormously and encourages them to better themselves through the best means available, education.


But this allows the courts to just say "Nope, this helps people who aren't us, and since Congress didn't authorize this exact action, we won't let this happen." Seems like there's a reason this is a recent doctrine, and it looks like it's all ideologically motivated.
Back off, Warchild.

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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
So, SCOTUS ruled Biden did not have authority via the Heroes Act to forgive loans. You borrow money, you pay it back, they say. Biden loses. End of story.




Not yet. The Major Questions Doctrine was used in the case:https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12077. Cliffs, as I understand, is that on questions of major political or economic weight Congress can override delegated authority.


But I've read that this was not used before Roberts took over the court. And it's claimed to be completely fabricated. It sounds like a contrived and "farcical" doctrine with no legal standing. Why might the SCOTUS want it or use it?

Because, it gives a way for the conservative elements of the court to feign legal weight to their ideological agenda and shoot down policies which are either liberalistic or just benefit the common folk. They realize loan forgiveness it helps the underprivileged enormously and encourages them to better themselves through the best means available, education.


But this allows the courts to just say "Nope, this helps people who aren't us, and since Congress didn't authorize this exact action, we won't let this happen." Seems like there's a reason this is a recent doctrine, and it looks like it's all ideologically motivated.
This is a really stupid post.
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You took out a loan. Pay it back, chit smearer.





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Take out a loan, you pay it back, real simple.
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You're not even applying the Major Questions Doctrine correctly. Literally the point of the doctrine is to avoid agencies overstepping their approved bounds. This was actually the 100% proper way to use the doctrine in that the Heroes Act does not have "Clear Congressional Approval" to apply to loan forgiveness across the board in the way it was attempting to be used. This has now been clarified and settled in the Court system.

If CONGRESS doesn't like this, it's on them to create a bipartisan, constitutional bill/law that will apply to loan forgiveness. Good luck to them.
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
You're not even applying the Major Questions Doctrine correctly. Literally the point of the doctrine is to avoid agencies overstepping their approved bounds. This was actually the 100% proper way to use the doctrine in that the Heroes Act does not have "Clear Congressional Approval" to apply to loan forgiveness across the board in the way it was attempting to be used. This has now been clarified and settled in the Court system.

If CONGRESS doesn't like this, it's on them to create a bipartisan, constitutional bill/law that will apply to loan forgiveness. Good luck to them.
The issue is standing, and how standing is a legal means of giving the powerful elite a way to retain their power and prevent the poorer and the powerless out of the court.

The conservative justices can twist the definition of standing to engineer any particular outcome that they want to.



EDIT: I do believe Thomas was actually quoted as saying he was going to use his power on the bench to "Make liberals lives hell".
Back off, Warchild.

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i heard on one of the talking heads shows, that the "heroes thing" was left untouched and they can use it to try and get this done in a different way.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
The issue is standing, and how standing is a legal means of giving the powerful elite a way to retain their power and prevent the poorer and the powerless out of the court.


The conservative justices can twist the definition of standing to engineer any particular outcome that they want to.
If you take out a loan for a vehicle, and 3 months later, you no longer want the car, does that loan disappear?
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unconstitutional = BS rationale now


Lmao at how stupid you people are
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
The issue is standing, and how standing is a legal means of giving the powerful elite a way to retain their power and prevent the poorer and the powerless out of the court.


The conservative justices can twist the definition of standing to engineer any particular outcome that they want to.
Standing wasn't the issue in this case.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
If you take out a loan for a vehicle, and 3 months later, you no longer want the car, does that loan disappear?
More importantly, do you get to keep the thing you took the loan out for if it does “disappear”?
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Originally Posted By Postmort3m⏩
More importantly, do you get to keep the thing you took the loan out for if it does “disappear”?
Youare the thing the loan is for.
Back off, Warchild.

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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Youare the thing the loan is for.
All the more reason to pay back the money you borrowed retard.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
The issue is standing, and how standing is a legal means of giving the powerful elite a way to retain their power and prevent the poorer and the powerless out of the court.

The conservative justices can twist the definition of standing to engineer any particular outcome that they want to.



EDIT: I do believe Thomas was actually quoted as saying he was going to use his power on the bench to "Make liberals lives hell".
This isn't about the elite. It's the other 87% who either paid their loans, or didn't take one out, who would be screwed by loan forgiveness.

Imagine working your ass off, paying your bills. Just to be told to now pay for other's education too
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
If you take out a loan for a vehicle, and 3 months later, you no longer want the car, does that loan disappear?
If you're a billionaire, sure.

Republicans once again favor the rich over the middle class and wonder why they keep losing.
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
This isn't about the elite. It's the other 87% who either paid their loans, or didn't take one out, who would be screwed by loan forgiveness.

Imagine working your ass off, paying your bills. Just to be told to now pay for other's education too
No offense but this logic is dumb. Imagine never doing anything about a problem just because "it wouldn't be fair" to others. Brb.. never ending slavery because it wouldn't be fair to the slaves who didn't get their freedom and spent their whole lives as slaves.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
If you're a billionaire, sure.

Republicans once again favor the rich over the middle class and wonder why they keep losing.
A University Degree can be taken away & your credit should reflect defaulting on a loan. “You” are not exactly the thing the loan was taken out for. The Degree is the “thing”
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
No offense but this logic is dumb. Imagine never doing anything about a problem just because "it wouldn't be fair" to others. Brb.. never ending slavery because it wouldn't be fair to the slaves who didn't get their freedom and spent their whole lives as slaves.
Brb comparing slavery to student loans.
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
Brb comparing slavery to student loans.
It's an example of the logic, not some form of equivalency..
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
It's an example of the logic, not some form of equivalency..
Brb using hyperbolic statements to inaccurately apply logic to situations which said logic would never apply.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Pseudointellectuals gonna pseudointellectual.
Does Analchug ever post anything on topic? Comes into every thread to split hairs with left leaning posters over chit that has nothing to do with the thread.

Talk about pseudointellectualism..
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Does Analchug ever post anything on topic? Comes into every thread to split hairs with left leaning posters over chit that has nothing to do with the thread.

Talk about pseudointellectualism..
Did the same thing to me just recently, split semantic hairs to accuse me of being a liar when I could easily explain my words in a far less insidious way.
Back off, Warchild.

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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
Brb using hyperbolic statements to inaccurately apply logic to situations which said logic would never apply.
Derp. The logic was perfectly fine. Mine that is..


Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Did the same thing to me just recently, split semantic hairs to accuse me of being a liar when I could easily explain my words in a far less insidious way.
He does it in every thread, just ignore him.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
No offense but this logic is dumb. Imagine never doing anything about a problem just because "it wouldn't be fair" to others. Brb.. never ending slavery because it wouldn't be fair to the slaves who didn't get their freedom and spent their whole lives as slaves.
You're comparing slavery, to someone taking out a loan???
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There's a gym, where it's a one time fee for the entire year. Let's say you sign up, pay the money, and 2 months later, you move, or you just don't feel like going to that gym anymore.

Guess what? You're not getting that money back.
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Socialism isn't economics, nor is it constitutional, but rather purely ideological. Your posts are always ideological but you can't make that connection.

This is why government shouldn't be loaning money in the first place. Its yet another unconstitutional socialist policy. No matter how socialist we become, the commies just want more and more. Time to walk back all socialist policies. The Dems created the demand for it, and your posts prove that.
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