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post 1687539053 07-31-2023, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted By S0Jack3d⏩
What Could It Be? Mainstream Media Shocked By 30% Increase In Heart Attack Deaths Among Ages 25 To 44









A recent study revealing young Americans have seen a 30% increase in heart attack deaths since the spring of 2020 is puzzling mainstream media pundits who must have forgotten about the experimental Covid jabs forced onto the world right at that exact same time.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839603/

“ Excess risk for acute myocardial infarction mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic”
Vaccines not even rolled out til end of year 2020, yet observations begin the Spring. THE VAX IS TIMETRAVELING TO KILL PEOPLE GUYS

The study is definitely not just talking about the long-term effects of COVID infections.
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Originally Posted By S0Jack3d⏩
{Copy-paste about excess deaths since the spring of 2020}
"Increased since the spring of 2020"... you mean a yearbeforevaccines were in widespread distribution?
A recent study revealing young Americans have seen a 30% increase in heart attack deaths since thespring of 2020is puzzling mainstream media pundits who must have forgotten about the experimental Covidjabs forced onto the world right at that exact same time.
Covid vaccines started in the spring of2021, not 2020

Did you notice that "vaccine" is cited exactlyZEROtimes in your linked study? And that excess deaths increased longbeforevaccines were available, as clearly shown in Figure 2?
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
pzifer last year spent 7 billion dollars to acquire a company that makes machines for myocarditis ~ fked up hearts
How does that prevent someone from citing a study they claim exists...?
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
I'd hardly call some charts on twitter threads and a shady looking Canadian consulting group website cherry picking data that supports their narrative as "undeniable proof/evidence", but it's obvious the rest of the world and miscers have different versions of what that means. The preponderance of evidence and the scientific consensus is still overwhelmingly in favor of use of covid vaccines. But the whole world is cucked, so that makes sense.

People literally get graduate degrees in epidemiology to be able to prepare and interpret the type of data that misc sleuths think they can poke holes in. If the scale of the conspiracy you all subscribed to was anywhere near what you claimed it to be, it wouldn't be just a handful of professional doubt merchants and mentally ill weirdos on twitter pretending they know better, every respectable doctor and epidemiologist in the country and world would be railing against it.

I'd love to know what braindead jobs you miscers work at where you would let some unhinged bystander with no credibility try to tell you that you don't know what you're doing in the trade you spent years training and working in. Or would you tell them to fk off because they don't even have a baseline understanding of what they're claiming? Why do we even have subject matter experts if miscers and twitter detectives are best suited for all jobs?
Classic fallacy of authority. This mindset is exactly how elite billionaires would get away with scamming the entire world into taking some **** that best case scenario, doesnt really work. This right here is the perfect example.
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Originally Posted By S0Jack3d⏩
What Could It Be? Mainstream Media Shocked By 30% Increase In Heart Attack Deaths Among Ages 25 To 44





A recent study revealing young Americans have seen a 30% increase in heart attack deaths since the spring of 2020 is puzzling mainstream media pundits who must have forgotten about the experimental Covid jabs forced onto the world right at that exact same time.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9839603/

“ Excess risk for acute myocardial infarction mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic”
That's been a consistent trends since long before covid.

Also, there was/is a pandemic of a vascular disease masquerading as a respiratory disease.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Classic fallacy of authority. This mindset is exactly how elite billionaires would get away with scamming the entire world into taking some **** that best case scenario, doesnt really work. This right here is the perfect example.
Except that the authority I am appealing to are literally the experts on the topic and have the scientific consensus. That fallacy only applies to deferring to the claims of unqualified opinions, based solely on their position of power. But thanks for showing you don't understand the fallacy.


"It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence.However, it is entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not."

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
Except that the authority I am appealing to are literally the experts on the topic and have the scientific consensus. That fallacy only applies to deferring to the claims of unqualified opinions, based solely on their position of power
Here, i found another definition:

The appeal to authority fallacy is a type of informal fallacy that occurs when someone uses the authority, reputation, or expertise of a person or a source as the sole or primary reason to support their argument, without providing any other evidence or reasoning.


Here's another one:

Appeal to authority fallacy refers to the use of an expert’s opinion to back up an argument. Instead of justifying one’s claim, a person cites an authority figure who is not qualified to make reliable claims about the topic at hand. Because people tend to believe experts, appeal to authority often imbues an argument with credibility.


Here is another one:


What is the appeal to authority fallacy?
The appeal to authority fallacy is the logical fallacy of saying a claim is true simply because an authority figure made it. This authority figure could be anyone: an instructor, a politician, a well-known academic, an author, or even an individual with experience related to the claim’s subject.




Those are just the first three definitions i found in google. So you are wrong, experts, intellectuals, etc are not RULED OUT for the fallacy, as you claim in your post. You just found a single definition that supports somewhat (poorly) your fallacious argument of "they are saying it so it must be true". Finding the just one definition and using it as an argument is disingenous, typical of people that are close minded and unwilling to change their opinion or beliefs.



Heres another real life example of fallacy of authority: Friend went to a nutritionist, and she told my friend that bananas were bad, that diet coke would still make him fat and that he needed to eat every 3 hours. I told him that his nutritionist was retarded, and that she didnt know what the fuk she was talking about. He didnt believe me because she had a title and went to college for it yet i was only a gymbro, even if i have been passionately studying and applying nutrition science for more than 15 years.



Shes an expert, but my friend still felt under the appeal to authority fallacy. That mindset is the mindset of sheep, extremely dangerous and easy to manipulate as well. Youd probably be a nazi in 1940's germany (Srs).
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Here, i found another definition:

The appeal to authority fallacy is a type of informal fallacy that occurs when someone uses the authority, reputation, or expertise of a person or a source as the sole or primary reason to support their argument, without providing any other evidence or reasoning.


Here's another one:

Appeal to authority fallacy refers to the use of an expert’s opinion to back up an argument. Instead of justifying one’s claim, a person cites an authority figure who is not qualified to make reliable claims about the topic at hand. Because people tend to believe experts, appeal to authority often imbues an argument with credibility.


Here is another one:


What is the appeal to authority fallacy?
The appeal to authority fallacy is the logical fallacy of saying a claim is true simply because an authority figure made it. This authority figure could be anyone: an instructor, a politician, a well-known academic, an author, or even an individual with experience related to the claim’s subject.




Those are just the first three definitions i found in google. So you are wrong, experts, intellectuals, etc are not RULED OUT for the fallacy, as you claim in your post. You just found a single definition that supports somewhat (poorly) your fallacious argument of "they are saying it so it must be true". Finding the just one definition and using it as an argument is disingenous, typical of people that are close minded and unwilling to change their opinion or beliefs.



Heres another real life example of fallacy of authority: Friend went to a nutritionist, and she told my friend that bananas were bad, that diet coke would still make him fat and that he needed to eat every 3 hours. I told him that his nutritionist was retarded, and that she didnt know what the fuk she was talking about. He didnt believe me because she had a title and went to college for it yet i was only a gymbro, even if i have been passionately studying and applying nutrition science for more than 15 years.



Shes an expert, but my friend still felt under the appeal to authority fallacy. That mindset is the mindset of sheep, extremely dangerous and easy to manipulate as well. Youd probably be a nazi in 1940's germany (Srs).
Ooof.

I wasn't claiming that they are correct because they're in an authority position, you inferred that. I was also not appealing to the claims of just one expert (as is often done in the anti-vax community), its the scientific consensus of all of them and the literal studies they provide as evidence. Your 2nd definition also denotes the division between qualified and unqualified opinions.

Solid.
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
Ooof.

I wasn't claiming that they are correct because they're in an authority position, you inferred that. I was also not appealing to the claims of just one expert (as is often done in the anti-vax community), its the scientific consensus of all of them and the literal studies they provide as evidence. Your 2nd definition also denotes the division between qualified and unqualified opinions.

Solid.
So since ive revealed your snakey ways, you are trying to snake your way out of it by saying even more disingenuous nonsense. After mocking my definition of the fallacy i called you out for (when i was right anyway) you are now saying that you were never claiming to "just trust the authorities" bro, even if your entire post i originally quoted is basically just you doing that. "Trust the science bro".

And no, its not all experts, its not all studies, its not all research, its not all evidence that points to vaccines being positive ESPECIALLY on young people, you are just pulling that out of your ass because again, an authority probably told you to not worry, "we've got the research bro just trust us".


Vaxxels arent sending their best clearly lol. At least be open minded bro, flirt for just a minute or two with the thought that maybe the vaxx was just a huge money grab. Just entertain that idea man, im not even telling you to take that as the absolute truth.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
So since ive revealed your snakey ways, you are trying to snake your way out of it by saying even more disingenuous nonsense. After mocking my definition of the fallacy i called you out for (when i was right anyway) you are now saying that you were never claiming to "just trust the authorities" bro, even if your entire post i originally quoted is basically just you doing that. "Trust the science bro".

And no, its not all experts, its not all studies, its not all research, its not all evidence that points to vaccines being positive ESPECIALLY on young people, you are just pulling that out of your ass because again, an authority probably told you to not worry, "we've got the research bro just trust us".


Vaxxels arent sending their best clearly lol. At least be open minded bro, flirt for just a minute or two with the thought that maybe the vaxx was just a huge money grab. Just entertain that idea man, im not even telling you to take that as the absolute truth.
Cool, you declared yourself the victor because you misinterpreted both my post and your own definitions of the fallacy. I've already posted (along with others) my fair share of evidence between this and the other thread, and really don't care to hold your hand through the whole process again.

Also, thanks for claiming I am intellectually lazy and just trusting an authority while you hide behind the "im just asking questions bro" and don't have to provide chit to make your annoying position tenable. You're casting doubt on a whole concept that was a net benefit to society using a minority fringe positions that have yet to prove out anything even remotely accepted by bodies of experts.

You know that I can still think it was still a large money grab given the terrible neoliberal politics involved with its creation and rollout and still think they were safer and more effective than just letting COVID rip thru society unmitigated?
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
Cool, you declared yourself the victor because you misinterpreted both my post and your own definitions of the fallacy. I've already posted (along with others) my fair share of evidence between this and the other thread, and really don't care to hold your hand through the whole process again.

Also, thanks for claiming I am intellectually lazy and just trusting an authority while you hide behind the "im just asking questions bro" and don't have to provide chit to make your annoying position tenable. You're casting doubt on a whole concept that was a net benefit to society using a minority fringe positions that have yet to prove out anything even remotely accepted by bodies of experts.

You know that I can still think it was still a large money grab given the terrible neoliberal politics involved with its creation and rollout and still think they were safer and more effective than just letting COVID rip thru society unmitigated?
I declared myself the Victor the moment I told people to stfu about me getting a vaxx that I clearly didn’t need. After that, this is all just for fun and games bro. Hail Hitler.
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I couldn't imagine being a man and being a vaxxcuck.

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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
I'd hardly call some charts on twitter threads and a shady looking Canadian consulting group website cherry picking data that supports their narrative as "undeniable proof/evidence", but it's obvious the rest of the world and miscers have different versions of what that means.The preponderance of evidence and the scientific consensus is still overwhelmingly in favor of use of covid vaccines.But the whole world is cucked, so that makes sense.
If this is true then how do you explain so many countries pulling them?
Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
People literally get graduate degrees in epidemiology to be able to prepare and interpret the type of data that misc sleuths think they can poke holes in. If the scale of the conspiracy you all subscribed to was anywhere near what you claimed it to be, it wouldn't be just a handful of professional doubt merchants and mentally ill weirdos on twitter pretending they know better, every respectable doctor and epidemiologist in the country and world would be railing against it.
There was an active effort to destroy any expert or physician who dared to speak out against the pandemic response. Those who spoke out any way were painted as conspiracy theory kooks even if they were top of their field experts. See: the authors of the Barrington Declaration for starters
Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
I'd love to know what braindead jobs you miscers work at where you would let some unhinged bystander with no credibility try to tell you that you don't know what you're doing in the trade you spent years training and working in. Or would you tell them to fk off because they don't even have a baseline understanding of what they're claiming? Why do we even have subject matter experts if miscers and twitter detectives are best suited for all jobs?
It isn't about twitter detectives level of expertise, it's about the truly vile levels of corruption in the system which makes our own institutions untrustworthy.

You seem to believe that the fact that the shot are still being promoted means that they are good even though there is so much data showing that they are ineffective at preventing transmission/infection, have at best a very limited period of positive effect, and have more reported adverse events than all other vaccines ever combined. None of that is a "conspiracy" or cherry picked.

Any familiarity with remdesivir? The drug that was forced into patients in our hospitals because HCQ and ivermectin were demonized? The stuff that is so highly associated with higher mortality that it got the nickname "run, death is near"?

Our FDA is *still* promoting that too.






If we were discussing food products instead and I said that I don't trust our system because the US allows a lot of dyes and additives and such which are banned in other countries would you still feel the need to say "but we have to trust the experts"???

Which experts are trustworthy? At this point I would say very few which are higher ups in the US regulatory agencies.

They approved giving the mrna covid shots to children despite children having near zero risk from covid and the findings in the submitted study data that to prevent a single covid hospitalization there would be something like 50 kids put in the hospital with myocarditis? Because the risk of covid hospitalization for children is so low.
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
Her adhd chaos makes no sense. She is never right about anything. It's like a scream of consciousness/internet funnel of crazy.

Study linked by antivaxragecel at the top is on the only thing that you need to know. Risk of heart issues is 0.8% which is lower than both cohorts standard of 1%.

LOL at being scared of 99.2% chance of not developing heart issues and 0.8% chance that odds are likely will resolve in a few days. But sure, go ahead and think you are some kind of genius.
LOL at being scared of a virus with a 99.8% survival rate.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
How does that prevent someone from citing a study they claim exists...?
I cited the study and included a link to it.

Sex-specific differences in myocardial injury incidence after COVID-19 mRNA-1273 Booster Vaccination

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/ejhf.2978

^^^
1 in 35 had myocardial damage.
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Originally Posted By NextPound⏩
Or like a antivaxragecel saying they keep hearing this from nurses. Imagine thinking a nurse is a better source than an actual doctor. It's just embarrassing.
Imagine thinking doctors are credible and not bought off by corrupt corporations you nimrod.

Makes me wonder how you can wipe your ass let alone use two legs to walk.

Fuking human guinea pig.

How does Biden's cock taste over there?
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
LOL at being scared of a virus with a 99.8% survival rate.
That guy's IQ is on par with zoomer's these days. Literally non existent. I feel bad for his parents.
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Just for the record the bold? IRREVERSIBLE. if that's not a shocking statistic I don't know what is...

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Hurr Durr, it's only one in thirty five.......
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
LOL at being scared of a virus with a 99.8% survival rate.
Those were inflated numbers too.
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One in 35 boosted have minor heart issues, here is Campbell explaining the most recent study. Now these people were advised they had injury and were able to rest. Young athletes that weren't warned and went on to hit high heart rates had lasting damage. Good luck vaxxie and go get boosted please.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I cited the study and included a link to it.
You cited a study that didn't support S0Jack3d's exaggerated claim.
He citednothing.
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
The essence of right-wing politics - "Why should I have to do anything that may benefit anyone else, even if it costs me nothing and requires minimal effort?"

Because the more people were vaccinated, the less transmissible it was (even if you're young a healthy, the people you come in contact with may not be). Because it lessens the severity of COVID when you DO get it. Because the the effects of unmitigated COVID are far worse for your heart and other systems than the vaccine ever was/will be.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/...s-covid-deaths

"The study looked at deaths in both Florida and Ohio during the first 22 months of the pandemic and found the overall excess death rate of Republican voters was 15% higher than that of Democrats. The gap widened further once COVID-19 vaccines were introduced."

Republicans would rather die to "own the libs" rather than admit they're fearful and easily manipulated themselves, something they love to accuse the left of.

As usual, more accusations of the left falling for "propaganda" when their entire arguments are based on feels ("just look around"), falling for the baseless claims of right-wing talking heads like Tucker and Alex Jones (meanwhile, every one of them took the vaccine in a heartbeat) or at best misinterpreting/not understanding legitimate data.

Two things I think conservatives are right to bring up or debate, even though we don't agree on the cause/what to do about it:

Pharmaceutical companies do not have your best interest at heart. They are largely private companies trying to maximize profit instead of solving for the best treatments. It isn't a coincidence that it's alot more profitable to keep people needing regular "boosters" and occasional acute therapy than it is to create more effective vaccines or straight up cures. It's not a "big pharma" conspiracy, its a very foreseeable consequence of neoliberal politics. Keep them sick and need of a subscription-based re-ups, even better if we can buy patents from public research and even get subsidies from the government to do so!

It can be a worthy discussion about individual rights when it comes to government mandated lockdowns. What is best for public health and personal freedoms in the midst of a pandemic are at odds with each other. People WERE dying and the hospital system was overwhelmed (no slack in system, more private "efficiencies"). Just because it didn't meet your personal definition of lethal enough for your health/age whatever, doesn't mean it was a warrantless exercise.
The Jab is killing healthy young men. The lockdowns caused many mentally stable people to become unstable and rope.

At this point in time, anyone pushing the benefits of this vaccine, which isn't even a vaccine, is merely rolling around in an enormous pile of cope.
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Originally Posted By BigDaddyBiceps⏩


One in 35 boosted have minor heart issues, here is Campbell explaining the most recent study. Now these people were advised they had injury and were able to rest. Young athletes that weren't warned and went on to hit high heart rates had lasting damage. Good luck vaxxie and go get boosted please.
this guy is a massive grifter

it is just his elderly English gentleman vibe makes him a lot more trustworthy than the demeanour of someone like Alex Jones
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
this guy is a massive grifter

it is just his elderly English gentleman vibe makes him a lot more trustworthy than the demeanour of someone like Alex Jones
What do you think about the study he is referencing?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
What do you think about the study he is referencing?
I looked through it.

On his twitter post of the video, one MD (who has a strong post history of not being a complete "VAX AT ALL COST, SAFE AS ****KK FOREVER AND EVER"!!!) pointed out something easy to miss:
John sorry I must call you out on one aspect. A troponin of 15 is not 'high'. 15 is usually our cut-off for MI but in myocarditis the values are much higger. Conduction pathways could still be affected but as far as the myocytes showing signs of significant stress if the trop in only 15. What was the ferritin, D-dimer, liver function, ESR? Any systemic inflammation?


John uses that troponin variable to justify his interpretation, which is specifically designed to cater to his audience (for profit).


Another one (whose post history you will disqualify, as if it means anything...) mentions something further:
John, a transient increase of highly-sensitive troponin T without EKG changes or other concerning features does not represent "clinically significant myocardial injury." This can happen post-exercise.


If you do your own independent search on troponin levels and this claim regarding exercise, you will find it to be true (from sources way before COVID).


That is why I have problems with John Campbell.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
You cited a study that didn't support S0Jack3d's exaggerated claim.
He citednothing.
The study reports using a high sensitivity assay, which finds abnormal troponin levels in ~50% of people.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
I looked through it.

On his twitter post of the video, one MD (who has a strong post history of not being a complete "VAX AT ALL COST, SAFE AS ****KK FOREVER AND EVER"!!!) pointed out something easy to miss:





He uses that troponin variable to justify his interpretation, which is specifically designed catering to his audience (for profit).


Another one (whose post history you will disqualify, as if it means anything...) mentions something further:





If you do your own independent search on troponin levels and this claim regarding exercise, you will find it to be true (from sources way before COVID).


That is why I have problems with John Campbell.
Not any sort of expert on lab values, but this is a screen shot from the study.



^^^
The 1 in 35 rate of injury was a finding of the study, not something made up by Campbell after the fact based on his own interpretation of the data.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Not any sort of expert on lab values, but this is a screen shot from the study.



^^^
The 1 in 35 rate of injury was a finding of the study, not something made up by Campbell after the fact based on his own interpretation of the data.
High sensitivity assay.


Modern hs-cTn assays can detect troponin in more than 50% of the general population, with some assays able to detect troponin in everyone.

https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l729
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Not any sort of expert on lab values, but this is a screen shot from the study.



^^^
The 1 in 35 rate of injury was a finding of the study, not something made up by Campbell after the fact based on his own interpretation of the data.
the way they decided it is a "subclinical" myo is via that mechanism though, regardless that it is 1 in 35

they cant really diagnose a clinically significant injury this way, that is why at best they say subclinical / mild and transient

estimated incident otherwise 0.0035% via the same hs-cTnT?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
High sensitivity assay.


Modern hs-cTn assays can detect troponin in more than 50% of the general population, with some assays able to detect troponin in everyone.

https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l729
being completely fair here, sometimes when studies like this with quirky methodology get published and framed this way... it makes me wonder how trustworthy are the safety ones srs
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