Thread: How do we wake up Liberals?
08-31-2023, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
Guess we should do nothing then!The main driver is climate change is catostrophic events.. The last ice age ended rapidly because of meteor impacts around 11,600 years ago. Look into the younger dryas impact theory. We were struck multiple times, and it wiped out a good portion of the worlds megafauna and population. Our planet is likely struck more often than we acknowledge, and it's only a matter of time (on the scale of thousands of years) before we are struck again. Everything we do is child's play to what nature will do again, and again, and again.
The other issue is that even if the US drops to zero emissions, we change nothing because china and india are still pumping fossil fuels into the atmosphere. We can't cripple our own economy and not lead to any measurable environmental impact. The other issue is that those who believe climate change is the main issue are also the ones that fail to acknowledge what it would mean to not use fossil fuels... they don't want the US digging for lithium and other items needed for "clean" energy. So we buy it from China who is abusing the environment and human rights all over the world?
That's not to say we shouldn't be moving toward cleaner energy. I think we can all agree on that. But we need to have a reasonable phase out period, we need to be able to utilize our own natural resources, we cannot bankrupt ourselves while enriching china and others, and we need to hold other nations accountable (the real offenders).
The other issue is that even if the US drops to zero emissions, we change nothing because china and india are still pumping fossil fuels into the atmosphere. We can't cripple our own economy and not lead to any measurable environmental impact. The other issue is that those who believe climate change is the main issue are also the ones that fail to acknowledge what it would mean to not use fossil fuels... they don't want the US digging for lithium and other items needed for "clean" energy. So we buy it from China who is abusing the environment and human rights all over the world?
That's not to say we shouldn't be moving toward cleaner energy. I think we can all agree on that. But we need to have a reasonable phase out period, we need to be able to utilize our own natural resources, we cannot bankrupt ourselves while enriching china and others, and we need to hold other nations accountable (the real offenders).
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Originally Posted By John
Can't stop the government from abusing America if we can't make the other half of the country stop buying into their propaganda.OP hates liberals, but wants to import even more liberals?
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08-31-2023, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
What propaganda?Can't stop the government from abusing America if we can't make the other half of the country stop buying into their propaganda.
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08-31-2023, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
Okay? I'm taking you at your word and responding in kind. I don't identify as a liberal either.I'm more eclectic than aligned with a specific end of the spectrum and I've spent the last 2 decades berating Conservatives for being drunk on Neo-Con propaganda, then transitioned towards berating Liberals for being drunk on their own propaganda.
Climate Change - We are arguably in the latter half of an interglacial period that exists between the last ice age and the next one. The Eemian, the previous interglacial period that ended ~115,000 years ago was much warmer than it is today (even up in Greenland). We are due to get warmer too. That's part of the Earth's natural freeze-thaw cycle.
Climate Change cheerleaders also think the melting glaciers in places like the Alps and Cascades are proof we are destroying the world. They melted out a long time ago and came back during the last mini Ice Age a few hundred years ago.
Humans may be exasterbating the natural process but we're certainly not the main driver.
With Climate Change, there is also the concern that special interests are manipulating "The Science" the same way they did with COVID. And this is especially important when it comes to "scientific data" being used for climate change fear campaigns directed at the public. People won't learn though, hence the concern in this thread.
COVID - it's hilarious you put so much faith in the government acting solely on good intentions. I guess that's why they needed anti-wrong think protections on social media and telling people they can't catch or spread COVID if they're vaccinated (which was false).
Money makes the world go round, Big Pharma is Washington's biggest lobbyist group. There is a revolving door between the FDA and Big Pharma. It would be naive to assume there wasn't any ill-intent going through the minds in Washington.
Thanks for participating in this thread, I always enjoy when new government/MSM speskerboxes come out of the wood work to regurgitate propaganda on the Misc.
Climate Change - We are arguably in the latter half of an interglacial period that exists between the last ice age and the next one. The Eemian, the previous interglacial period that ended ~115,000 years ago was much warmer than it is today (even up in Greenland). We are due to get warmer too. That's part of the Earth's natural freeze-thaw cycle.
Climate Change cheerleaders also think the melting glaciers in places like the Alps and Cascades are proof we are destroying the world. They melted out a long time ago and came back during the last mini Ice Age a few hundred years ago.
Humans may be exasterbating the natural process but we're certainly not the main driver.
With Climate Change, there is also the concern that special interests are manipulating "The Science" the same way they did with COVID. And this is especially important when it comes to "scientific data" being used for climate change fear campaigns directed at the public. People won't learn though, hence the concern in this thread.
COVID - it's hilarious you put so much faith in the government acting solely on good intentions. I guess that's why they needed anti-wrong think protections on social media and telling people they can't catch or spread COVID if they're vaccinated (which was false).
Money makes the world go round, Big Pharma is Washington's biggest lobbyist group. There is a revolving door between the FDA and Big Pharma. It would be naive to assume there wasn't any ill-intent going through the minds in Washington.
Thanks for participating in this thread, I always enjoy when new government/MSM speskerboxes come out of the wood work to regurgitate propaganda on the Misc.
Gee, I wonder why climate scientists didn't think to control for the natural cycling of the planet. I'm sure they never thought about your brilliant realization that the earth goes through natural cycles. If only PHD trained scientists would have known to control for such an obvious confounder to their hypotheses. Oh wait, they definitely do. There remains a significant balance of CO2 that the natural cycles do not account for, meshing nicely with the rise in industrialization across the world. Pointing out that the earth goes through natural cycles does not invalidate anthropogenic climate change.
You mention this "concern" about special interests manipulating the science, where is the evidence of that? We have actual evidence of players like Exxon knowing about their effect on greenhouse gases dating all the way back to the 70/80s and a subsequent pouring of special interest money into creating doubt about their effect on climate change.
Holding public health officials for being incorrect with the benefit of hindsight is wild. They were acting with the data they had in the moment, which was rapidly changing with the stakes of thousands of people dying daily. If there is tangible evidence that the CDC participated in some "noble lie" at the behest of their political bosses to try to get more people vaccinated regardless, by all means provide that. If it does exist, I will condemn it. I don't want to be intentionally misled by the government, but I also don't expect them to have perfect foresight when they make recommendations during a public health emergency.
Big Pharma is definitely not the biggest lobbying group, the chamber of commerce and the national association of realtors is, but I wont be pedantic, they are a large one. Why don't you use your energy that hates big pharma to apply more broadly to all large corporate cartels? It's naive of you to think there isn't ill-intent in the form of money in politics going on in all sectors, not just Big pharma. You won't catch me schilling for big pharma either, I think having a short-term profit incentive in the field of healthcare is perverse.
Thank you for your dismissive sign off about propaganda, again missing its effects on yourself.
08-31-2023, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
I agree it's dumb to hamstring ourselves in favor of the rest of the world, that's why I believe it's intentional. Liberals don't think Corporate America and the Government can act on selfish/greedy intentions, only good intentions. What a joke lol.The main driver is climate change is catostrophic events.. The last ice age ended rapidly because of meteor impacts around 11,600 years ago. Look into the younger dryas impact theory. We were struck multiple times, and it wiped out a good portion of the worlds megafauna and population. Our planet is likely struck more often than we acknowledge, and it's only a matter of time (on the scale of thousands of years) before we are struck again. Everything we do is child's play to what nature will do again, and again, and again.
The other issue is that even if the US drops to zero emissions, we change nothing because china and india are still pumping fossil fuels into the atmosphere. We can't cripple our own economy and not lead to any measurable environmental impact. The other issue is that those who believe climate change is the main issue are also the ones that fail to acknowledge what it would mean to not use fossil fuels... they don't want the US digging for lithium and other items needed for "clean" energy. So we buy it from China who is abusing the environment and human rights all over the world?
That's not to say we shouldn't be moving toward cleaner energy. I think we can all agree on that. But we need to have a reasonable phase out period, we need to be able to utilize our own natural resources, we cannot bankrupt ourselves while enriching china and others, and we need to hold other nations accountable (the real offenders).
The other issue is that even if the US drops to zero emissions, we change nothing because china and india are still pumping fossil fuels into the atmosphere. We can't cripple our own economy and not lead to any measurable environmental impact. The other issue is that those who believe climate change is the main issue are also the ones that fail to acknowledge what it would mean to not use fossil fuels... they don't want the US digging for lithium and other items needed for "clean" energy. So we buy it from China who is abusing the environment and human rights all over the world?
That's not to say we shouldn't be moving toward cleaner energy. I think we can all agree on that. But we need to have a reasonable phase out period, we need to be able to utilize our own natural resources, we cannot bankrupt ourselves while enriching china and others, and we need to hold other nations accountable (the real offenders).
On a side note, the freeze-thaw cycles that Earth experiences are cyclical and have been occurring on similar intervals for the last few million years and not necessarily due to catastrophic events.
The meteor impact cause for the Younger Dryas is up for debate, but the Younger Dryas cooling period, along with other brief cooling periods, happened after the Earth started to warm back up after the last ice age ended.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
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08-31-2023, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Did you not read the last paragraph?Guess we should do nothing then!
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
Everything before written history is up for debate. But the evidence is overwhelming for the younger dryas impact theory. It corresponds nicely with soil smaples from that region. from the mass die-off of megafauna, and again, likely a mass loss of human life and resetting of human civilization.I agree it's dumb to hamstring ourselves in favor of the rest of the world, that's why I believe it's intentional. Liberals don't think Corporate America and the Government can act on selfish/greedy intentions, only good intentions. What a joke lol.
On a side note, the freeze-thaw cycles that Earth experiences are cyclical and have been occurring on similar intervals for the last few million years and not necessarily due to catastrophic events.
The meteor impact cause for the Younger Dryas is up for debate, but the Younger Dryas cooling period, along with other brief cooling periods, happened after the Earth started to warm back up after the last ice age ended.
On a side note, the freeze-thaw cycles that Earth experiences are cyclical and have been occurring on similar intervals for the last few million years and not necessarily due to catastrophic events.
The meteor impact cause for the Younger Dryas is up for debate, but the Younger Dryas cooling period, along with other brief cooling periods, happened after the Earth started to warm back up after the last ice age ended.
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
The economy is doing great.What propaganda?
White supremacy is the biggest threat to our nation.
Getting rid of all guns will solve the gun violence issue.
Anything less than complete obedience to the rainbow mafia is on par with genocide.
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
The DNC rigs their primaries via SuperPACs. Bernie and Hilary were very close if you took the non-elected "delegates" that were SuperPACs. 100% Bernie knew he was cheated.They liked him because he supported policies that were and are extremely popular with normal people. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone in good faith characterize him as an "outsider" but he is quite the pariah in our 2-party dominated system, even technically an independent that HAS to vote caucus with the Democrats, because the Republicans are even farther away from his ideology. Who else has the strength of conviction to identify as a social democrat in the US? That's why he's an outlier.
Also, he also didn't just roll over for Hilary, he made it as far as he did in spite of the Democratic party trying to hamstring him every step of the way for their chosen candidate.
Also, he also didn't just roll over for Hilary, he made it as far as he did in spite of the Democratic party trying to hamstring him every step of the way for their chosen candidate.
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
Keep in mind, they aren't educating the population on glacial and interglacial periods. People are still believing that the glaciers in the Alps and Cascades are proof our world is ending.. Or when they show an arctic location in the winter 20 years ago, and compare it to a summer shot in 2023.Okay? I'm taking you at your word and responding in kind. I don't identify as a liberal either.
Gee, I wonder why climate scientists didn't think to control for the natural cycling of the planet. I'm sure they never thought about your brilliant realization that the earth goes through natural cycles. If only PHD trained scientists would have known to control for such an obvious confounder to their hypotheses. Oh wait, they definitely do. There remains a significant balance of CO2 that the natural cycles do not account for, meshing nicely with the rise in industrialization across the world. Pointing out that the earth goes through natural cycles does not invalidate anthropogenic climate change.
You mention this "concern" about special interests manipulating the science, where is the evidence of that? We have actual evidence of players like Exxon knowing about their effect on greenhouse gases dating all the way back to the 70/80s and a subsequent pouring of special interest money into creating doubt about their effect on climate change.
Holding public health officials for being incorrect with the benefit of hindsight is wild. They were acting with the data they had in the moment, which was rapidly changing with the stakes of thousands of people dying daily. If there is tangible evidence that the CDC participated in some "noble lie" at the behest of their political bosses to try to get more people vaccinated regardless, by all means provide that. If it does exist, I will condemn it. I don't want to be intentionally misled by the government, but I also don't expect them to have perfect foresight when they make recommendations during a public health emergency.
Big Pharma is definitely not the biggest lobbying group, the chamber of commerce and the national association of realtors is, but I wont be pedantic, they are a large one. Why don't you use your energy that hates big pharma to apply more broadly to all large corporate cartels? It's naive of you to think there isn't ill-intent in the form of money in politics going on in all sectors, not just Big pharma. You won't catch me schilling for big pharma either, I think having a short-term profit incentive in the field of healthcare is perverse.
Thank you for your dismissive sign off about propaganda, again missing its effects on yourself.
Gee, I wonder why climate scientists didn't think to control for the natural cycling of the planet. I'm sure they never thought about your brilliant realization that the earth goes through natural cycles. If only PHD trained scientists would have known to control for such an obvious confounder to their hypotheses. Oh wait, they definitely do. There remains a significant balance of CO2 that the natural cycles do not account for, meshing nicely with the rise in industrialization across the world. Pointing out that the earth goes through natural cycles does not invalidate anthropogenic climate change.
You mention this "concern" about special interests manipulating the science, where is the evidence of that? We have actual evidence of players like Exxon knowing about their effect on greenhouse gases dating all the way back to the 70/80s and a subsequent pouring of special interest money into creating doubt about their effect on climate change.
Holding public health officials for being incorrect with the benefit of hindsight is wild. They were acting with the data they had in the moment, which was rapidly changing with the stakes of thousands of people dying daily. If there is tangible evidence that the CDC participated in some "noble lie" at the behest of their political bosses to try to get more people vaccinated regardless, by all means provide that. If it does exist, I will condemn it. I don't want to be intentionally misled by the government, but I also don't expect them to have perfect foresight when they make recommendations during a public health emergency.
Big Pharma is definitely not the biggest lobbying group, the chamber of commerce and the national association of realtors is, but I wont be pedantic, they are a large one. Why don't you use your energy that hates big pharma to apply more broadly to all large corporate cartels? It's naive of you to think there isn't ill-intent in the form of money in politics going on in all sectors, not just Big pharma. You won't catch me schilling for big pharma either, I think having a short-term profit incentive in the field of healthcare is perverse.
Thank you for your dismissive sign off about propaganda, again missing its effects on yourself.
"Oh my god look at the melting!!"
It becomes political when they start leaving facts like that out and mislead the public.
Do you believe science is free of political influence? Do you believe that donors can influence the results of scientific inquiries?
You mention that Big Oil influenced the science, do you believe Big Pharma, Big Tech, or the Gov are capable of doing the same for political reasons? Do you think there is a barrier in corporate activity or human nature that confines historically bad behavior to certain industries?
Why aren't climate change activists and organizations focusing on heavily industrialized nations like China and India instead of trying to rebrand the West in a Green facade?
Are you familiar with the World Economic Forum?
You say that the National Association of Realtors and American Chamber of Commerce are the biggest lobbyist groups in Washington, I see them at the top of the top 10 the list for 2022.
Did you look at the rest of the list? I also see Big Pharma (PRMA, AHA, BCBS, AMA) in the top 10, whose collective lobbyist dollars puts them over the top of what you listed.
Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
I support the impact theory but I don't think the evidence is overwhelming due to a missing impact crater (which is claimed to be the ice sheet that was between Canada and Minnesota).Everything before written history is up for debate. But the evidence is overwhelming for the younger dryas impact theory. It corresponds nicely with soil smaples from that region. from the mass die-off of megafauna, and again, likely a mass loss of human life and resetting of human civilization.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
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Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
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Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
Exactly- if it/they impacted the ice sheet, then there would have been rapid melting. Hence the geography of parts of the US which could have only been formed by sudden and massive flooding. Also interesting that many cultures that seemingly had no contact all have stories of a great flood... It's a deep rabit hole to go down, and when you look at the entirety of the data, it is very strong.Do you believe science is free of political influence? Do you believe that donors can influence the results of scientific inquiries?
You mention that Big Oil influenced the science, do you believe Big Pharma, Big Tech, or the Gov are capable of doing the same for political reasons? Do you think there is a barrier in corporate activity or human nature that confines historically bad behavior to certain industries?
Why aren't climate change activists and organizations focusing on heavily industrialized nations like China and India instead of trying to rebrand the West in a Green facade?
Are you familiar with the World Economic Forum?
You say that the National Association of Realtors and American Chamber of Commerce are the biggest lobbyist groups in Washington, I see them at the top of the top 10 the list for 2022.
Did you look at the rest of the list? I also see Big Pharma (PRMA, AHA, BCBS, AMA) in the top 10, whose collective lobbyist dollars puts them over the top of what you listed.
I support the impact theory but I don't think the evidence is overwhelming due to a missing impact crater (which is claimed to be the ice sheet that was between Canada and Minnesota).
You mention that Big Oil influenced the science, do you believe Big Pharma, Big Tech, or the Gov are capable of doing the same for political reasons? Do you think there is a barrier in corporate activity or human nature that confines historically bad behavior to certain industries?
Why aren't climate change activists and organizations focusing on heavily industrialized nations like China and India instead of trying to rebrand the West in a Green facade?
Are you familiar with the World Economic Forum?
You say that the National Association of Realtors and American Chamber of Commerce are the biggest lobbyist groups in Washington, I see them at the top of the top 10 the list for 2022.
Did you look at the rest of the list? I also see Big Pharma (PRMA, AHA, BCBS, AMA) in the top 10, whose collective lobbyist dollars puts them over the top of what you listed.
I support the impact theory but I don't think the evidence is overwhelming due to a missing impact crater (which is claimed to be the ice sheet that was between Canada and Minnesota).
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
Are you familiar with the Missoula, Bonneville, & Scablands floods?Exactly- if it/they impacted the ice sheet, then there would have been rapid melting. Hence the geography of parts of the US which could have only been formed by sudden and massive flooding. Also interesting that many cultures that seemingly had no contact all have stories of a great flood... It's a deep rabit hole to go down, and when you look at the entirety of the data, it is very strong.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
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Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
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Originally Posted By Irezumi⏩
This isn't even propaganda, those are flat out lies and gaslightingThe economy is doing great.
White supremacy is the biggest threat to our nation.
Getting rid of all guns will solve the gun violence issue.
Anything less than complete obedience to the rainbow mafia is on par with genocide.
No border crisis.
Etc
Etc
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White supremacy is the biggest threat to our nation.
Getting rid of all guns will solve the gun violence issue.
Anything less than complete obedience to the rainbow mafia is on par with genocide.
No border crisis.
Etc
Etc
Etc...
It blows my mind that people don't believe their own eyes
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
No, I'm not naive enough to think science is free from political influence. I do indeed believe donors can influence the results of scientific inquiries. By and large, I believe corporate interests are far more inclined to fund poorly constructed studies to arrive at conclusions favorable for their industries because they get an almost immediate benefit to their bottom lines. Publicly funded research does not have that same tangible incentive, increasing the odds of arriving at objective truth. As with every complex issue, we look at the scientific consensus and the totality of evidence to offset the risk of bad actors attempting to poison the well with bad science. I'm not interested in letting perfect be the enemy of good. What exactly do you propose as your alternative for finding objective truth?Do you believe science is free of political influence? Do you believe that donors can influence the results of scientific inquiries?
You mention that Big Oil influenced the science, do you believe Big Pharma, Big Tech, or the Gov are capable of doing the same for political reasons? Do you think there is a barrier in corporate activity or human nature that confines historically bad behavior to certain industries?
Why aren't climate change activists and organizations focusing on heavily industrialized nations like China and India instead of trying to rebrand the West in a Green facade?
Are you familiar with the World Economic Forum?
You say that the National Association of Realtors and American Chamber of Commerce are the biggest lobbyist groups in Washington, I see them at the top of the top 10 the list for 2022.
Did you look at the rest of the list? I also see Big Pharma (PRMA, AHA, BCBS, AMA) in the top 10, whose collective lobbyist dollars puts them over the top of what you listed.
You mention that Big Oil influenced the science, do you believe Big Pharma, Big Tech, or the Gov are capable of doing the same for political reasons? Do you think there is a barrier in corporate activity or human nature that confines historically bad behavior to certain industries?
Why aren't climate change activists and organizations focusing on heavily industrialized nations like China and India instead of trying to rebrand the West in a Green facade?
Are you familiar with the World Economic Forum?
You say that the National Association of Realtors and American Chamber of Commerce are the biggest lobbyist groups in Washington, I see them at the top of the top 10 the list for 2022.
Did you look at the rest of the list? I also see Big Pharma (PRMA, AHA, BCBS, AMA) in the top 10, whose collective lobbyist dollars puts them over the top of what you listed.
Of course they are capable of doing the same, but I'm far more wary about Big Tech and Big Pharma steering the interests of the government to do their bidding, rather than the government itself having some ulterior motives. No, I believe that people respond to incentives, the easiest one being money, so that should be kept as far away from politics as possible. Limits on government power are appropriate and transparency is key.
I don't have any evidence to suggest that climate change activism is not also happening in those countries, that seems like a US-centric bias. We could wag the finger at China and India, but that would also mean asking them to not take the same advantages of cheap, dirty energy that the rest of the West got to do through time. It feels hypocritical to deny those countries several generations of economic growth just because the West used up all the available carbon capacity before they did. If we were being ruthlessly utilitarian, sure I guess we could sanction them or bomb their coal plants, but that seems more than a little psychotic at this stage.
It is certainly appropriate to be calling for a shift in the already well-developed countries first to lead by example. Have them identify the best ways they can to mitigate the most damaging effects as is practical and eventually share their better technologies or even the energy itself with those countries to lessen their impact faster. Cooperation, not geopolitical posturing.
I've heard of the WEF and have put them in the same bucket as the UN - virtually powerless to influence any US decision-making. Are you going to sell me on some globalist conspiracy with zero evidence? Even so, if it comes out that rich people and corps are doing things that stack the deck in their favor and they're using governments to do it, SHOCKER.
If we're going to aggregate lobbying efforts by disparate entities, then we need a whole lot more under the Chamber of Commerce.
Are you going somewhere with this line of questioning? Because I find myself doing alot more supporting of my positions than you seem to be doing. Just by virtue of being here, putting thought into defending my positions should mean that not all leftists are just "regurgitating MSM biased talking points" Where have you heard any of the things that I am saying on some news segment?
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
I've listened to randall carlson and others discuss them.Are you familiar with the Missoula, Bonneville, & Scablands floods?
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Look at these clowns.. thread about libs and the TDS has flared up bigly. The thread isn't about trump. It's about clown world hive thinking. Muh trans rights, muh abortion ban. ****ing clowns, clueless sheep to the MSM narrative.
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
I ask questions to understand your point of view.I've heard of the WEF and have put them in the same bucket as the UN - virtually powerless to influence any US decision-making.Are you going to sell me on some globalist conspiracy with zero evidence?Even so, if it comes out that rich people and corps are doing things that stack the deck in their favor and they're using governments to do it, SHOCKER.
Sounds like you need to catch up on the WEF. The evidence is on their website, in their publications, in books written by their chairman, and in their publicly available conferences.
Have you heard of the Davos/Bilderberger events and the people who attend those meetings?
It's no longer merely a conspiracy.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
Wincel: "I'm saying even the govt of China, while brutal at times, is NOT our enemy. Period."
Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
Education is humanity's key to salvation.
The 2nd Cold War has begun.
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
Cool, another club for the rich and the powerful to maintain their positions in society.I ask questions to understand your point of view.
Sounds like you need to catch up on the WEF. The evidence is on their website, in their publications, in books written by their chairman, and in their publicly available conferences.
Have you heard of the Davos/Bilderberger events and the people who attend those meetings?
It's no longer merely a conspiracy.
Sounds like you need to catch up on the WEF. The evidence is on their website, in their publications, in books written by their chairman, and in their publicly available conferences.
Have you heard of the Davos/Bilderberger events and the people who attend those meetings?
It's no longer merely a conspiracy.
All the more reason to support measures that empower common people. That does not comport with voting for the GOP especially - the party that aligns itself almost exclusively with the interests of big business and the rich. To be fair, the Dems are just diet-GOP, and that's why libs are silly too.
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
The dems are fully entrenched in Wall Street, tech, msm, and our institutions. Make no mistake. And more so than reps at this point.Cool, another club for the rich and the powerful to maintain their positions in society.
All the more reason to support measures that empower common people. That does not comport with voting for the GOP especially - the party that aligns itself almost exclusively with the interests of big business and the rich. To be fair, the Dems are just diet-GOP, and that's why libs are silly too.
All the more reason to support measures that empower common people. That does not comport with voting for the GOP especially - the party that aligns itself almost exclusively with the interests of big business and the rich. To be fair, the Dems are just diet-GOP, and that's why libs are silly too.
Most reps are also establishment shills. Hence why a nonestablishment candidate is our only hope. And that’s why all forces align to wipe out all nonestablishment candidates.
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
Is it really accurate to claim that Democrats are GOP lite with their intimacy with Big Tech, Wallstreet, & Big Pharma?Cool, another club for the rich and the powerful to maintain their positions in society.
All the more reason to support measures that empower common people. That does not comport with voting for the GOP especially - the party that aligns itself almost exclusively with the interests of big business and the rich. To be fair, the Dems are just diet-GOP, and that's why libs are silly too.
All the more reason to support measures that empower common people. That does not comport with voting for the GOP especially - the party that aligns itself almost exclusively with the interests of big business and the rich. To be fair, the Dems are just diet-GOP, and that's why libs are silly too.
We're a long ways away from the old Democratic Party most remember.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
Wincel: "I'm saying even the govt of China, while brutal at times, is NOT our enemy. Period."
Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
Education is humanity's key to salvation.
The 2nd Cold War has begun.
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You don't, they've been brain dead since birth
Eg. Phil9IQ, RapeyPat, Colostomy bag sillie
Eg. Phil9IQ, RapeyPat, Colostomy bag sillie
Wort ew in th wold.
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Originally Posted By rampagefc77⏩
You won’t catch me defending the dems either because I agree with you. Garbage decisions like citizens united amongst others made sure that the dems had to play footsy with corporate interests as much as the GOP does.The dems are fully entrenched in Wall Street, tech, msm, and our institutions. Make no mistake. And more so than reps at this point.
Most reps are also establishment shills. Hence why a nonestablishment candidate is our only hope. And that’s why all forces align to wipe out all nonestablishment candidates.
Most reps are also establishment shills. Hence why a nonestablishment candidate is our only hope. And that’s why all forces align to wipe out all nonestablishment candidates.
However, Trump is not enough of an outsider. He runs in these circles of power and he’s a fking billionaire. He does not care about normal people, and his track record was more than enough to prove that. It’s funny but sad watching him harness more power convincing conservatives that he’s some sort of genuine populist that has their interests in mind. He’s only ever had his own, as is apparent by his inability to take a loss in a system favoring conservatives.
Biden is only preferable because his party’s politics are slightly more tolerable to me. He’s also terrible because he’s a bought and paid for neoliberal who they know won’t make any actual changes.
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
Yes, that’s specifically the reason I call them virtually the same. I’m baffled by why your criticisms of big business stop at those 3 sectors. What of big real estate, big agriculture, big oil, big the military industrial complex? Aren’t they doing the same? Why aren’t we skeptical of those sectors’ impact on common people?Is it really accurate to claim that Democrats are GOP lite with their intimacy with Big Tech, Wallstreet, & Big Pharma?
We're a long ways away from the old Democratic Party most remember.
We're a long ways away from the old Democratic Party most remember.
If we’re agreeing that both parties are bought and paid for corporate interest and that’s a huge problem, we have a lot more in common than not.
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Originally Posted By GNCPOV⏩
Why do you think Trump doesn't care about America or its citizens?You won’t catch me defending the dems either because I agree with you. Garbage decisions like citizens united amongst others made sure that the dems had to play footsy with corporate interests as much as the GOP does.
However, Trump is not enough of an outsider. He runs in these circles of power and he’s a fking billionaire. He does not care about normal people, and his track record was more than enough to prove that. It’s funny but sad watching him harness more power convincing conservatives that he’s some sort of genuine populist that has their interests in mind. He’s only ever had his own, as is apparent by his inability to take a loss in a system favoring conservatives.
Biden is only preferable because his party’s politics are slightly more tolerable to me. He’s also terrible because he’s a bought and paid for neoliberal who they know won’t make any actual changes.
However, Trump is not enough of an outsider. He runs in these circles of power and he’s a fking billionaire. He does not care about normal people, and his track record was more than enough to prove that. It’s funny but sad watching him harness more power convincing conservatives that he’s some sort of genuine populist that has their interests in mind. He’s only ever had his own, as is apparent by his inability to take a loss in a system favoring conservatives.
Biden is only preferable because his party’s politics are slightly more tolerable to me. He’s also terrible because he’s a bought and paid for neoliberal who they know won’t make any actual changes.
Do you believe he has a profound effect on Washington in that Washington will go so far as to engage in clear abuses of power to hinder him?
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
Wincel: "I'm saying even the govt of China, while brutal at times, is NOT our enemy. Period."
Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
Education is humanity's key to salvation.
The 2nd Cold War has begun.
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
Oh because he falls in line with his party politics that don’t have any material policies that uplift the working class. No calls for increases in the minimum wage, no changes to healthcare, no calls to increase social safety nets, no anti poverty programs, enshrining voting rights, getting money OUT of politics, you know the things that actual Americans deal with. It’s all bootstraps pro business nonsense that at best he can say he was “bringing jobs back”. Even his marquee piece of legislation in the TCJA only put in relief for the middle class until 2025 while the breaks for corps are limitless.Why do you think Trump doesn't care about America or its citizens?
Do you believe he has a profound effect on Washington in that Washington will go so far as to engage in clear abuses of power to hinder him?
Do you believe he has a profound effect on Washington in that Washington will go so far as to engage in clear abuses of power to hinder him?
Tbh your second question is kind of poorly worded and I’m not sure exactly what you mean. If you’re asking if the state is out to get him, I’ll ask you to name on what specifically?
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cool thread
There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
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