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09-10-2023, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩

A computer science degree is not the way to go for anyone wanting to get into IT. It's a waste of money.

IT takes a diff approach than CS. IT learns how to utilize hardware/software to configure and maintain systems. CS focuses on the software side creating applications/front-end/back-end services. The fields overlap somewhat.

As for a CS degree, unfortunately the best way to get a job in the field. Make sense though. They have access to all the internships, environment, support, etc. Non-degree folk get apprenticeships, go to bootcamp, or self-study & apply.

09-10-2023, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted By naaboo⏩

IT takes a diff approach than CS. IT learns how to utilize hardware/software to configure and maintain systems. CS focuses on the software side creating applications/front-end/back-end services. The fields overlap somewhat.

As for a CS degree, unfortunately the best way to get a job in the field. Make sense though. They have access to all the internships, environment, support, etc. Non-degree folk get apprenticeships, go to bootcamp, or self-study & apply.

All one has to do is buy the hardware ,the books, set up a lab at home and get the certs

Buy you some Cisco routers and switches if you want to go the engineering route or set up a domain at home with a group of PCs. If you want to go the administration route

Programming you can memorize everything but if you are not creative and have imagination you probably won't excel at it.

But certs are like degrees they just look good on a resume just learn it inside and out, know what you are doing and then sell yourself.

I just can't see anyone paying for and going into debt at college for anything IT related

As far as networking with people thats very true. Many times it's who you know that can get a door opened for you. Good friend did that for me and I squandered the opportunity

09-10-2023, 03:41 PM

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09-10-2023, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩

All one has to do is buy the hardware ,the books, set up a lab at home and get the certs

Buy you some Cisco routers and switches if you want to go the engineering route or set up a domain at home with a group of PCs. If you want to go the administration route

Programming you can memorize everything but if you are not creative and have imagination you probably won't excel at it.

But certs are like degrees they just look good on a resume just learn it inside and out, know what you are doing and then sell yourself.

I just can't see anyone paying for and going into debt at college for anything IT related

As far as networking with people thats very true. Many times it's who you know that can get a door opened for you. Good friend did that for me and I squandered the opportunity

That's exactly why I didn't get into IT. Home labs/switches/equipment & a whole bunch of certs. Then you'd be stuck doing help desk @ entry level. I mean, in-house work would be fine, but explaining chit over the phone sounds like hell. As for coding, I'm not worried about imagination. Only thing stopping me is sitting doing and getting it done.

Friend of mine wanted to get into cyber security so I sent him towards the comptia a+. i wonder if he's still studying.

Originally Posted By GnomeSaiyanBruh⏩

How many members? Asking for a friend.

i have no idea. gonna log in sometime today and check

09-10-2023, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩

what's the job market like for entry level in NYC?

I'm a senior EE in a non programming field, wanting to switch over but don't want to take a huge paycut. is it even practical these days with all the layoffs and whatnot, seems like I'd be competing with experienced people for entry level?

Learn front-end (React JS) and you instantly have a job. Backend is pretty hot as well. Java devs always in demand as usual but mostly senior roles. If you have the skills then you'll get hired, but yes, you're competing with experienced devs, students, bootcamp girlscouts, and Self-Taught Chads.

If you wanted you could get an EE job with the MTA and study CS here, or go at your own pace where you're at & see if the field interests you before taking the leap (prob best option).

https://new.mta.info/careers
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Metropoli...thority-7/jobs

09-10-2023, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted By naaboo⏩

That's exactly why I didn't get into IT. Home labs/switches/equipment & a whole bunch of certs. Then you'd be stuck doing help desk @ entry level. I mean, in-house work would be fine, but explaining chit over the phone sounds like hell. As for coding, I'm not worried about imagination. Only thing stopping me is sitting doing and getting it done.

Friend of mine wanted to get into cyber security so I sent him towards the comptia a+. i wonder if he's still studying.

i have no idea. gonna log in sometime today and check

I have both A+ and network +. Neither have anything to do with cyber security . Comootia has a security + cert and that's the entry level security cert which is where he should start.

You can make decent money doing help desk. Any where from $25-$29 an hour and it's not complicated but if you want to make the real big bucks. Go Cisco or programing a c.c.i.e will make over one hundred grand a year.

It's a decent living. I'm trying to get my self back into the flow of things now.

09-10-2023, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩

I have both A+ and network +. Neither have anything to do with cyber security . Comootia has a security + cert and that's the entry level security cert which is where he should start.

You can make decent money doing help desk. Any where from $25-$29 an hour and it's not complicated but if you want to make the real big bucks. Go Cisco or programing a c.c.i.e will make over one hundred grand a year.

It's a decent living. I'm trying to get my self back into the flow of things now.

well, those certs were created for a reason. some folk got to start somewhere. and jumping into sec+ is not for everyone.

i don't care for the field, but if someone offered me a job i'd consider it since i love computers. i worked in an office where i occasionally helped with pc issues. ofc it's different in-person.

as for what he chooses to do after his introductory certs is on him.

im an above average pc user and wouldn't mind a job fiddling with them, but i'm not into taking certs and that's what ppl want. i also find networks fascinating but couldnt be arsed to learn it past basic knowledge w/o getting paid for it. i can somewhat configure my home network but that's about it. ive got a lot of random knowledge. with google sensei i can fix anything.

what made you stop working with IT?

09-11-2023, 06:11 AM

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09-11-2023, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted By naaboo⏩

well, those certs were created for a reason. some folk got to start somewhere. and jumping into sec+ is not for everyone.

i don't care for the field, but if someone offered me a job i'd consider it since i love computers. i worked in an office where i occasionally helped with pc issues. ofc it's different in-person.

as for what he chooses to do after his introductory certs is on him.

im an above average pc user and wouldn't mind a job fiddling with them, but i'm not into taking certs and that's what ppl want. i also find networks fascinating but couldnt be arsed to learn it past basic knowledge w/o getting paid for it. i can somewhat configure my home network but that's about it. ive got a lot of random knowledge. with google sensei i can fix anything.

what made you stop working with IT?

Always keep this in mind. A cert much like a degree is not worth the paper it's written on if you don't have the knowledge and real world experience to back them up. You don't want to be a paper tech. Anyone can memorize a book and pass a test. That's not what you should aim for.

They look good on a resume and yes for someone trying to break Into the field A+ is s good start .

Id suggest to anyone that first and foremost you have got to be passionate about what you do to excell at it and really be interested in it. You are correct you have to start some where. A journey of a thousand miles starts with one small step.

Why did I get out of it? I aquired an addiction at 33 and it took about 3-4 years for that addiction to catch up to me and what happened to me is what happens to everyone just about who goes down that road. I lost everything I owned when you are lost in addiction you lose site of everything that's important. But I have not used in years now. Booze was my problem recently.

I still send my resume out waiting on hits. I was making $29 an hour in March and after the first week I was abruptly let go. IT manager said he couldn't give me a reason for it.

I've had multiple offers in the past two months at $25 and $26 an hour that I had to decline because they were on-sites with travel and I do jit own a vehicle at the present time.

All I can say chaps is try to learn from others mistakes once you dig a deep hole for yourself it's almost impossible to climb out (especially when every time you get to the top step of the ladder about to climb out someone kicks you right back in that hole)

So don't tarry time, it's a valuable commodity that you can't get back or earn back. Don't aquire bad habits , don't let your vices control you, . Prioritize your life and never deviate from that routine . A line of Domino's will fall over with perfection from Maine to California if you set them up properly and in line but remove just one piece out of the millons and it ruins the whole thing.

Stay on course.

09-11-2023, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩

A computer science degree is not the way to go for anyone wanting to get into IT. It's a waste of money.

That's not true. Most people who start with bootcamps and online courses have no idea what they are doing. Fundamentals are the most important things you need to learn and most of these bootcamps and online courses get over fundamentals in two - three days.

09-11-2023, 07:17 AM

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hope you can get back on track latverian41 brah

Originally Posted By brosapiens⏩

That's not true. Most people who start with bootcamps and online courses have no idea what they are doing. Fundamentals are the most important things you need to learn and most of these bootcamps and online courses get over fundamentals in two - three days.

some people need structure that college provides. it's the go-to traditional method. bootcamps/self-study ain't cut out for everyone. and that's where the misc CS chad study group comes in.

09-11-2023, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted By brosapiens⏩

That's not true. Most people who start with bootcamps and online courses have no idea what they are doing. Fundamentals are the most important things you need to learn and most of these bootcamps and online courses get over fundamentals in two - three days.

If you have no friends you can turn to that are in IT or if computers bare something new to you then yes sometimes a course like that is your only option I'm just saying most don't start out that way.

There is nothing wrong with it if that's what you have to do but itsnnot different than an auto mechanic. You have those who have been around cars and those who work on cars and you pick up and learn from them vs thise who have to go to an auto mechanic school

09-11-2023, 07:51 AM

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Lemme know if you want to discuss AI, implications of AI, AI v human cognition, AI consciousness etc. and I'll be there like a fly on chit.

09-11-2023, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩

If you have no friends you can turn to that are in IT or if computers bare something new to you then yes sometimes a course like that is your only option I'm just saying most don't start out that way.

There is nothing wrong with it if that's what you have to do but itsnnot different than an auto mechanic. You have those who have been around cars and those who work on cars and you pick up and learn from them vs thise who have to go to an auto mechanic school

I don't think I've seen many people in my workplace that don't have a degree.
There are many people who got strong on their own and by the time a higher degree was an option they were already well into the field but those people are 1 in a 1000.

For most people though a proper degree is a big step up. Also there are many people who are accustomed to programming and computers and still get a degree for extra knowledge.

10-02-2023, 05:32 PM

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I am returning to the Discord tomorrow morning EST.

10-04-2023, 05:43 AM

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Thanks. It`s interesting idea!

10-04-2023, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩

All one has to do is buy the hardware ,the books, set up a lab at home and get the certs

Buy you some Cisco routers and switches if you want to go the engineering route or set up a domain at home with a group of PCs. If you want to go the administration route

Programming you can memorize everything but if you are not creative and have imagination you probably won't excel at it.

But certs are like degrees they just look good on a resume just learn it inside and out, know what you are doing and then sell yourself.

I just can't see anyone paying for and going into debt at college for anything IT related

As far as networking with people thats very true. Many times it's who you know that can get a door opened for you. Good friend did that for me and I squandered the opportunity

Do you work in the field?

For good software engineering jobs, a CS degree is absolutely useful for getting your foot in the door. I think every one of my collegues at various companies bar about 3 had CS or related degrees, and the ones that didn't are boomers who got into programming in like the 70's when the landscape was different.

CS degree while possibly not essential, is absolutely massively useful in obtaining employment as a software engineer. However, perhaps you're talking about a different area of IT, but 'IT' is a very broad field, and if you're referring specifically to programming i think you may have been slightly misled. Certs are more useful for things like cyber security, or some front end jobs which seem to have a lower bar for entry, but for pure software engineering a CS degree is absolutely not 'useless' (by 'pure' software engineering i'm referring to things like Java, C++, C# etc, traditionally 'back end' enterprise languages, although it includes 'full stack'). At the very least this is my experience as quite a senior full stack developer (but specialising in enterprise java & Spring) for about 11 years now.

10-04-2023, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted By FosterWest⏩

Thanks. It`s interesting idea!

I plan to have us doing open-source projects and list other cool chit we can contribute to.

also, for anyone joining the Discord and seeing it as a barren wasteland, just stay in the damn thing lmao, or not. I won't beg you to stay. I don't care about you. You're free to do what you want. If you want to learn a cool skill and build interesting chit, it's a place with all of our resources you can look over and start your coding journey.

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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩

Lemme know if you want to discuss AI, implications of AI, AI v human cognition, AI consciousness etc. and I'll be there like a fly on chit.

My niche is ML and AI engineering
Currently with a company working on various AI products

Pretty new to the whole sector in comparison to others in here, but it's been a passion project for about 2 years, now

I'm down to chat it up

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I don't get it.

Why learn code now when AI is going to replace you in a few years?

What should one be studying/learning to be able to work on AI? Anyway to get around being an expert level Python coder?

10-04-2023, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted By GatorBoy92⏩

I don't get it.

Why learn code now when AI is going to replace you in a few years?

What should one be studying/learning to be able to work on AI? Anyway to get around being an expert level Python coder?

Holy hell you're retarded.

10-04-2023, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted By GatorBoy92⏩

I don't get it.

Why learn code now when AI is going to replace you in a few years?

What should one be studying/learning to be able to work on AI? Anyway to get around being an expert level Python coder?

Python's going to be your biggest asset in ML
Specifically SciKit (although that's kinda getting pushed out), Tensorflow, an PyTorch
You'll also want to dive into H20 and the Google ML kit
C++ is also valuable if you're planning on dealing with large databases, but Python is going to be your biggest language to learn if you want to get into AI Engineering

Do not even bother with any of the AI/ML courses being advertised, right now. The majority of them are already severely behind
It's better to sign up for a GitHub account, play around with various AI projects that are out and then just learning as much as you can about the technology

Yeah, AI is making massive strides, but it's good to be informed about it so you can use it to your advantage

10-06-2023, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted By ZyraThornrise⏩

Do not even bother with any of the AI/ML courses being advertised, right now. The majority of them are already severely behind

This is intriguing & also a plague on tech courses, but I suppose it's part of being in an ever-evolving field.

Thank you for assisting him.

Originally Posted By GatorBoy92⏩

I don't get it.

Why learn code now when AI is going to replace you in a few years?

What should one be studying/learning to be able to work on AI? Anyway to get around being an expert level Python coder?

To give you a proper response, no one here will live to see the day AI is anything meaningful. If though, AI wishes to correct me, it can do so by bringing me back to life in the extremely far off future somehow, so I can suck its still, no-matter-how-many-years-have-passed pathetic cold iron ballsack.

I do not know AI or ML, but I do know it's important to understand what you're trying to accomplish with them.

Machine learning (ML) in its simplest form (from my understanding) is making the computer learn how to complete a task without specifically telling it how to do it.

It's somehow able to learn through analyzing patterns you give it which in turn provides better results.

Typically what we see in AI generated art today.

Although I can't instruct you on how to do any of this it's important to have an idea of what it is.

10-06-2023, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted By naaboo⏩

This is intriguing & also a plague on tech courses, but I suppose it's part of being in an ever-evolving field.

Thank you for assisting him.

It's absolutely horrid
Tech jobs are being bombarded with people who took a couple of those "boot camps" whether they actually have the technical skills needed, or not

I'm in a Data Science group on ******** and it's insane how many people went to Coursera and learned Excel and SQL and are out there wondering why they can't land a data analyst/data science position

10-06-2023, 04:06 PM

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For a more comprehensive study path regarding ML/AI, you'll want to study the following in depth:

General math notation
Linear algebra notation
Probability notation
Machine learning/statistics notation
Types of Machine Learning (Supervised Learning vs Unsupervised Learning)
Representation (Used in supervised learning represented in the model as a conditional probability distribution or decision function)
Evaluation functions
Loss and Risk functions
Empirical risks (as well as empirical risk minimization)
Structural risks (as well as structural risk minimization)
Parametric and non-parametric models
Learning or training algorithms
Overfitting
Cross validation (K-fold, 2 fold and Leave one out)
Frequentist interpretations
Bayesian interpretations
Probability theory (descrete random variable, continuous random variable, probability mass function, probability density function)
Multivariate random variables
CDF
Independence and conditional independence
Quantiles
Mean and variance
Bernoulli and binomial distributions
multinoulli and multinomial distributions
Poisson distribution
empirical distribution
Gaussian (normal) distribution
Student's t-distribution
Laplace distribution
gamma distribution
beta distribution
Pareto distribution
Joint probability distributions
Covariance and correlation
Multivariate Student’s t-distribution
Central limit theorem
Monte Carlo approximation
Information theory
Generative models for discrete data

There's a ton more, but those are the main things I utilize on a day to day basis for training ML models and collecting data
I could create a cheat sheet with all of the formula's you'll need, if anyone is interested

10-08-2023, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted By ZyraThornrise⏩

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There's a ton more, but those are the main things I utilize on a day to day basis for training ML models and collecting data
I could create a cheat sheet with all of the formula's you'll need, if anyone is interested

Originally Posted By ZyraThornrise⏩

It's absolutely horrid
Tech jobs are being bombarded with people who took a couple of those "boot camps" whether they actually have the technical skills needed, or not

I'm in a Data Science group on ******** and it's insane how many people went to Coursera and learned Excel and SQL and are out there wondering why they can't land a data analyst/data science position

They definitely need a portfolio and a coding language under their belt to set them apart. Having a cert is one thing, showing you thoroughly understand the field and have passion/drive is another. It's like people who graduate with a CS degree and have ZERO personal projects, like I just don't understand lol. How can you go home and not want to build some cool chit.

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bumping before the storm

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countdown to the best miscord in existence

11-25-2023, 04:04 PM

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Will be adding an IT (Information Technology) section along with the basic resources to get started in that field.

It can require certification which costs money. The knowledge required to do the job can be acquired for free through the internet.

We're branching out a wee bit, but it's all for the love of tech.

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