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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
She was the first person that discussed his money openly; did you ever or just defend the man?Of course.

Why aren't you intellectually curious about anything?
You do your *pathetic drive by dings* but never engage in real topic discussion; you remind me of 2 other posters here, hmmmm.
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09-27-2023, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
She was the first person that discussed his money openly; did you ever or just defend the man?
Why aren't you intellectually curious about anything?
You do your *pathetic drive by dings* but never engage in real topic discussion; you remind me of 2 other posters here, hmmmm.
Why aren't you intellectually curious about anything?
You do your *pathetic drive by dings* but never engage in real topic discussion; you remind me of 2 other posters here, hmmmm.

09-27-2023, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Or the old QB who can barely throw the ball 20 yards, but won't retire.It reminds me of fans of sports teams, they can't see when their team isn't hitting, scoring, or has a terrible defense.
09-27-2023, 06:48 AM
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That's what happens when you're too narcissistic to think consequences won't apply.
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Originally Posted By Procta⏩
The dude is corrupt. Get over it.witch hunt after witch hunt after witch hunt
09-27-2023, 06:52 AM
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09-27-2023, 06:56 AM
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Imagine being a fully grown man, looking at the state of the world, knowing where all the filth and degeneracy is coming from, and then supporting those same people in this witch hunt of Trump.
What has Trump even done that is so bad lol? Tried to build a wall? That was looking like a pretty good idea.
Absolutely pathetic srs
What has Trump even done that is so bad lol? Tried to build a wall? That was looking like a pretty good idea.
Absolutely pathetic srs
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Originally Posted By IAMBEE⏩
I have no idea what you are talking about. The accuracy of the meme was posted as a reply to blumphs social media post telling his cult members such as yourself on how to feel about all this.So you're telling me you thought gender was just something you chose, and that you needed a vaccine for an illness that has a 99.98% survival rate before you got your marching orders?
Whataboutism on random topics that have nothing to do with the topic at hand and culture wars is not going to cover up or rationalize how pathetic the actual cultist are that cannot think for themselves. If Dear a leader says it s a witch hunt then that’s the only possible reason because messiah would never ever lie , he dindu nuffin.
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https://nypost.com/2023/09/26/trump-...ident-experts/
- Legal experts call the judge's ruling "devastating"
- If not appealed, the ruling could cost Blumpff upward of $250 milllion, which he doesn't have in liquid assets
- He cannot do business in New York anymore, and he has to liquidate the LLCS, which hold a ton of his assets
- Legal experts call the judge's ruling "devastating"
- If not appealed, the ruling could cost Blumpff upward of $250 milllion, which he doesn't have in liquid assets
- He cannot do business in New York anymore, and he has to liquidate the LLCS, which hold a ton of his assets
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Originally Posted By Weightaholic⏩
jury trial in manhattan? probably better with a bench trialBefore anyone starts wondering why it was a judge only trial, it's because his incompetent lawyer didn't file the paperwork for a jury trial, not some grand conspiracy.
09-27-2023, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
What he's being found guilty of. In this case, fraud. You take Trump's word over the entire judicial system. But now they're all corrupt cause you're a cultist. Every judge he stood before, GOP judges included, know he's a gross dirty crooked corrupt lying sack of sht.What has Trump even done that is so bad lol?
09-27-2023, 07:18 AM
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Do you think Mar A Lago is worth $18m? A simple yes or no will do srs.What he's being found guilty of. In this case, fraud. You take Trump's word over the entire judicial system. But now they're all corrupt cause you're a cultist. Every judge he stood before, GOP judges included, know he's a gross dirty crooked corrupt lying sack of sht.
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
I have absolutely no idea and could care less. Guilty. End of story.Do you think Mar A Lago is worth $18m? A simple yes or no will do srs.
09-27-2023, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
Even if it's worth $350 million they still reported a value of 100's of millions more.Do you think Mar A Lago is worth $18m? A simple yes or no will do srs.
I can't say where you draw the line between leveraging assets and fraud, but the judge can, and did. Not just in one instance either, there are dozens of examples.
We'll see what the appeal brings.
09-27-2023, 08:13 AM
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Obviously it will be overturned on appeal.Even if it's worth $350 million they still reported a value of 100's of millions more.
I can't say where you draw the line between leveraging assets and fraud, but the judge can, and did. Not just in one instance either, there are dozens of examples.
We'll see what the appeal brings.
I can't say where you draw the line between leveraging assets and fraud, but the judge can, and did. Not just in one instance either, there are dozens of examples.
We'll see what the appeal brings.
I don't have much experience in the world of multimillion dollar loans but I doubt these banks were just taking Trump's word for it. It all seems pretty sketchy, as it always is when it comes to trying to defeat Trump.
As someone else said, would any of this be happening if he was not running again?
09-27-2023, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
In some cases they allegedly were.I doubt these banks were just taking Trump's word for it.
Not claiming to be an expert either. To me it's a fair argument that if the lenders were okay with details of the loan then so be it. On the other hand banks have proven they need oversight or greed will destroy the system, so as always there is some middle ground that needs to be held.
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
He didn't even try to build the wall. He never once tried.Imagine being a fully grown man, looking at the state of the world, knowing where all the filth and degeneracy is coming from, and then supporting those same people in this witch hunt of Trump.
What has Trump even done that is so bad lol? Tried to build a wall? That was looking like a pretty good idea.
Absolutely pathetic srs
What has Trump even done that is so bad lol? Tried to build a wall? That was looking like a pretty good idea.
Absolutely pathetic srs
That's why I hate him. He lied to me.
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Democrats are strong men who pretend to be weak
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Originally Posted By metroins⏩
He actually didn't try at all. He made no effort. He managed to rebuild some fence but Obama was doing the same thing.Trump tried to build an ugly wall that wouldn't work. He couldn't get funding even though the Republicans owned the Presidency, House and Senate from 2016-2018.
He did try, but he didn't try very hard.
He did try, but he didn't try very hard.
Republicans are weak men who pretend to be strong
Democrats are strong men who pretend to be weak
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
This judge, who used to be primarily working matrimonial law, doesn't seem to have a great grasp of commercial real estate.Obviously it will be overturned on appeal.
I don't have much experience in the world of multimillion dollar loans but I doubt these banks were just taking Trump's word for it. It all seems pretty sketchy, as it always is when it comes to trying to defeat Trump.
As someone else said, would any of this be happening if he was not running again?
I don't have much experience in the world of multimillion dollar loans but I doubt these banks were just taking Trump's word for it. It all seems pretty sketchy, as it always is when it comes to trying to defeat Trump.
As someone else said, would any of this be happening if he was not running again?
When big-time projects are stopped by small-time judges
Middling lawyers get their robes from political hacks — and developers pay the price
“These are huge towers. I’ve lived in the city my whole life. You can’t just do this because the zoning allows it. I just can’t believe this is the case.”
— State Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron
backroom dealmaking that produces state Supreme Court judges. Now, at The Real Deal, I see the havoc these jurists wreak on the city and its real estate industry. It compels me to revisit the tawdry topic of how they get to the bench.
New Yorkers might assume their judges are top-notch legal minds who have reached the pinnacle of the profession. Um, no.
lawyers. You’d almost have to be to subject yourself to the shady, debasing process one must endure for a shot at holding the gavel.
State Supreme Court judges, who preside over cases big enough to matter to the industry, serve 14-year terms and make $210,900. That adds up to $3 million, not including pension benefits, potential future raises and any additional terms. Beats hustling for clients in the backwaters of Brooklyn or toiling away as a law secretary.
These robed men and women rule on high-stakes real estate disputes and rezonings for projects and entire neighborhoods. Lately, some of their key decisions have been reversed on appeal, which suggests they are not doing a bang-up job.
Take the quote above by Engoron, who ruled that four towers proposed by JDS Development, L+M Development, CIM Group and Starrett Corporation in the Manhattan neighborhood Two Bridges required a rezoning, even though they complied with the zoning in place. If that sounds like sound legal reasoning, I’ve got two bridges to sell you.
The developers appealed and won.The Appellate Division also overturned recent anti-real estate rulings at SJP Properties’ 200 Amsterdam Avenue and in Inwood, where a sweeping rezoning had been temporarily invalidated because Judge Verna Saunders decided the land-use review process should — for the first time in its 30-year history — have included a racial impact study.
“Part of [the Appellate Division’s] job is to clean up the crap from the trial courts,” said one judicial system veteran. “Frankly, there’s a lot of it.”
All three reversals were unanimous. Do the judges care about being overturned? One would hope. But the court system does not keep track of their reversal rates and their jobs are as safe as houses. They nearly always serve until they hit the mandatory retirement age of 70 (at which point they can request up to three two-year extensions).
But wait. These judges are elected. Can’t New Yorkers just vote for better judges?
Again, no. These judicial elections bear no resemblance to democracy. The Democratic county organizations nominate as many candidates as there are Supreme Court openings. If your ballot in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx says “vote for any six candidates,” there will be exactly six Democrats. In New York’s Republican counties, the GOP does the same thing.
“This is an insider game where it’s a question of who you know, not what are your abilities.”
Lincoln Restler, Brooklyn reformer
Under the state constitution, this is a partisan process involving a judicial convention. The local political machines have the infrastructure to control it, rendering the annual convention a Soviet-style affair.
“The whole system is so wrapped up in politics and patronage, there’s no incentive for anyone to relinquish authority,” said Ken Fisher, a land-use attorney at Cozen O’Connor and former City Council member. “Absent some miraculous burst of civic leadership out of Albany, there’s no reason to think the system is going to change any time soon.”
A candidate for judge must round up support from party functionaries. In Brooklyn, 42 Democratic state committee members — known as district leaders — elect a county leader. To keep their loyalty, the county leader fills the judicial slate with candidates who have garnered the most support among them. Candidates win that support by attending district leaders’ fundraisers and writing checks.
That is why in any interview about judge-making in New York, the phrase “chicken dinners” will come up.
“The idea that you can attend a few chicken dinners … and that determines whether you’re deciding cases of consequence is terribly disappointing and unacceptable,” said Lincoln Restler, a City Council candidate who has tried to reform the system. “This is an insider game where it’s a question of who you know, not what are your abilities.”
“The process is bizarre,” said the court system veteran, who navigated it years ago and spoke on condition of anonymity to protect professional relationships. “Oddly enough, the system produces some very good judges, [but also] a lot of mediocre judges and some turkeys.”
Lawrence Knipel, for example, became a judge because his wife, district leader Lori Knipel, “bulldozed him through,” as the source put it. Fortunately, Knipel turned out to be one of the court’s best judges.
Noach Dear did not. The late former City Council member, who failed the bar exam repeatedly before getting an exemption to take it untimed, got his judgeship without ever having tried a case. It is not clear that he had even practiced law.
“It’s not that good judges don’t come out of the system. It’s that the system is not designed to produce the leading scholars,” said Fisher, who once sat on a screening panel created to ensure judicial candidates at least had basic qualifications.
“In the years when I was involved in vetting them, I don’t recall a single assistant district attorney, a single law professor, a single partner in a law firm to even inquire about doing it,” he said.
Candidates rejected by screening panels can still make it to the bench. Some of them just blow off the panels, calling them rigged.
Besides judicial incompetence, a second problem is influence. This is where real estate gets hurt. Judges who come through a political process do not get a nod from a political boss in the back of the courtroom, but they tend to be “more sensitive to public opinion, more sensitive to the feelings of the people they garnered support from,” said Fisher.
He was speaking generally, but a case he is handling bears mentioning. Fisher represents a group favoring the de Blasio administration’s Gowanus rezoning plan, which is being held up by Judge Katherine Levine because its public hearings would be held on Zoom.
Early in the case, which is itself being litigated on Zoom, Levine seemed to be just fine with virtual hearings. “That’s life,” she told opponents in January. “That’s Covid.”
But she has since pondered the matter long enough that the rezoning might not get done before the mayor and Gowanus’ two local City Council members leave office. That would seriously jeopardize its chances, potentially denying developers the right to build 8,000 apartments and 20,000 people the opportunity to live in them.
“The whole system is so wrapped up in politics and patronage,there’s no incentive for anyone to relinquish authority.”
Ken Fisher, land-use attorney
Emboldened, opponents of a Bruce Eichner project in Crown Heights are suing on the same grounds. Levine is on that case too. The judge’s beef with Zoom endangers dozens of rezoning applications and billions of dollars’ worth of development.
As it happens, a politician whose Democratic club put Levine on the bench, Assemblywoman Jo Anne Simon, has demanded that the Gowanus rezoning be paused until in-person hearings can be held.
I’ve known Simon since she led the Boerum Hill Civic Association in the early 1990s. She later became a district leader and was considered a reformer. She would never call a sitting judge about an active case. Still, her connection with Levine undermines public confidence in the case.
“If the community is up in arms, opposing a development, does that impact judges? Absolutely. They are human beings,” a former Supreme Court judge told me. “But hopefully they are still ruling on the law.”
Judging by the reversals, some are not. While winning at the trial court matters, lawyers concentrate on getting all their evidence and arguments into the record because the appeals panel cannot consider new material.
Fisher is now less focused on swaying Levine’s decision than on simply getting her to make one. His enemy is time. Besides, as with most real estate cases, this one is likely to be decided by the Appellate Division.
By the way, appellate judges are also products of politics: They are picked by the governor, sometimes based upon who is whispering in his ear. But that’s a story for another day.
https://therealdeal.com/new-york/202...l-time-judges/Middling lawyers get their robes from political hacks — and developers pay the price
“These are huge towers. I’ve lived in the city my whole life. You can’t just do this because the zoning allows it. I just can’t believe this is the case.”
— State Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron
backroom dealmaking that produces state Supreme Court judges. Now, at The Real Deal, I see the havoc these jurists wreak on the city and its real estate industry. It compels me to revisit the tawdry topic of how they get to the bench.
New Yorkers might assume their judges are top-notch legal minds who have reached the pinnacle of the profession. Um, no.
lawyers. You’d almost have to be to subject yourself to the shady, debasing process one must endure for a shot at holding the gavel.
State Supreme Court judges, who preside over cases big enough to matter to the industry, serve 14-year terms and make $210,900. That adds up to $3 million, not including pension benefits, potential future raises and any additional terms. Beats hustling for clients in the backwaters of Brooklyn or toiling away as a law secretary.
These robed men and women rule on high-stakes real estate disputes and rezonings for projects and entire neighborhoods. Lately, some of their key decisions have been reversed on appeal, which suggests they are not doing a bang-up job.
Take the quote above by Engoron, who ruled that four towers proposed by JDS Development, L+M Development, CIM Group and Starrett Corporation in the Manhattan neighborhood Two Bridges required a rezoning, even though they complied with the zoning in place. If that sounds like sound legal reasoning, I’ve got two bridges to sell you.
The developers appealed and won.The Appellate Division also overturned recent anti-real estate rulings at SJP Properties’ 200 Amsterdam Avenue and in Inwood, where a sweeping rezoning had been temporarily invalidated because Judge Verna Saunders decided the land-use review process should — for the first time in its 30-year history — have included a racial impact study.
“Part of [the Appellate Division’s] job is to clean up the crap from the trial courts,” said one judicial system veteran. “Frankly, there’s a lot of it.”
All three reversals were unanimous. Do the judges care about being overturned? One would hope. But the court system does not keep track of their reversal rates and their jobs are as safe as houses. They nearly always serve until they hit the mandatory retirement age of 70 (at which point they can request up to three two-year extensions).
But wait. These judges are elected. Can’t New Yorkers just vote for better judges?
Again, no. These judicial elections bear no resemblance to democracy. The Democratic county organizations nominate as many candidates as there are Supreme Court openings. If your ballot in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens or the Bronx says “vote for any six candidates,” there will be exactly six Democrats. In New York’s Republican counties, the GOP does the same thing.
“This is an insider game where it’s a question of who you know, not what are your abilities.”
Lincoln Restler, Brooklyn reformer
Under the state constitution, this is a partisan process involving a judicial convention. The local political machines have the infrastructure to control it, rendering the annual convention a Soviet-style affair.
“The whole system is so wrapped up in politics and patronage, there’s no incentive for anyone to relinquish authority,” said Ken Fisher, a land-use attorney at Cozen O’Connor and former City Council member. “Absent some miraculous burst of civic leadership out of Albany, there’s no reason to think the system is going to change any time soon.”
A candidate for judge must round up support from party functionaries. In Brooklyn, 42 Democratic state committee members — known as district leaders — elect a county leader. To keep their loyalty, the county leader fills the judicial slate with candidates who have garnered the most support among them. Candidates win that support by attending district leaders’ fundraisers and writing checks.
That is why in any interview about judge-making in New York, the phrase “chicken dinners” will come up.
“The idea that you can attend a few chicken dinners … and that determines whether you’re deciding cases of consequence is terribly disappointing and unacceptable,” said Lincoln Restler, a City Council candidate who has tried to reform the system. “This is an insider game where it’s a question of who you know, not what are your abilities.”
“The process is bizarre,” said the court system veteran, who navigated it years ago and spoke on condition of anonymity to protect professional relationships. “Oddly enough, the system produces some very good judges, [but also] a lot of mediocre judges and some turkeys.”
Lawrence Knipel, for example, became a judge because his wife, district leader Lori Knipel, “bulldozed him through,” as the source put it. Fortunately, Knipel turned out to be one of the court’s best judges.
Noach Dear did not. The late former City Council member, who failed the bar exam repeatedly before getting an exemption to take it untimed, got his judgeship without ever having tried a case. It is not clear that he had even practiced law.
“It’s not that good judges don’t come out of the system. It’s that the system is not designed to produce the leading scholars,” said Fisher, who once sat on a screening panel created to ensure judicial candidates at least had basic qualifications.
“In the years when I was involved in vetting them, I don’t recall a single assistant district attorney, a single law professor, a single partner in a law firm to even inquire about doing it,” he said.
Candidates rejected by screening panels can still make it to the bench. Some of them just blow off the panels, calling them rigged.
Besides judicial incompetence, a second problem is influence. This is where real estate gets hurt. Judges who come through a political process do not get a nod from a political boss in the back of the courtroom, but they tend to be “more sensitive to public opinion, more sensitive to the feelings of the people they garnered support from,” said Fisher.
He was speaking generally, but a case he is handling bears mentioning. Fisher represents a group favoring the de Blasio administration’s Gowanus rezoning plan, which is being held up by Judge Katherine Levine because its public hearings would be held on Zoom.
Early in the case, which is itself being litigated on Zoom, Levine seemed to be just fine with virtual hearings. “That’s life,” she told opponents in January. “That’s Covid.”
But she has since pondered the matter long enough that the rezoning might not get done before the mayor and Gowanus’ two local City Council members leave office. That would seriously jeopardize its chances, potentially denying developers the right to build 8,000 apartments and 20,000 people the opportunity to live in them.
“The whole system is so wrapped up in politics and patronage,there’s no incentive for anyone to relinquish authority.”
Ken Fisher, land-use attorney
Emboldened, opponents of a Bruce Eichner project in Crown Heights are suing on the same grounds. Levine is on that case too. The judge’s beef with Zoom endangers dozens of rezoning applications and billions of dollars’ worth of development.
As it happens, a politician whose Democratic club put Levine on the bench, Assemblywoman Jo Anne Simon, has demanded that the Gowanus rezoning be paused until in-person hearings can be held.
I’ve known Simon since she led the Boerum Hill Civic Association in the early 1990s. She later became a district leader and was considered a reformer. She would never call a sitting judge about an active case. Still, her connection with Levine undermines public confidence in the case.
“If the community is up in arms, opposing a development, does that impact judges? Absolutely. They are human beings,” a former Supreme Court judge told me. “But hopefully they are still ruling on the law.”
Judging by the reversals, some are not. While winning at the trial court matters, lawyers concentrate on getting all their evidence and arguments into the record because the appeals panel cannot consider new material.
Fisher is now less focused on swaying Levine’s decision than on simply getting her to make one. His enemy is time. Besides, as with most real estate cases, this one is likely to be decided by the Appellate Division.
By the way, appellate judges are also products of politics: They are picked by the governor, sometimes based upon who is whispering in his ear. But that’s a story for another day.
Link to overturn decision
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Can't wait til he's elected and turns the tide. Can't wait for media to freak out then. Remember, trump gave everyone a pass including hilldog. They said he was gonna persecute them...only to persecute him when they stole and cheated to win last cycle.
I seriously hope all these people hang for treason
I seriously hope all these people hang for treason
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This is totally worth as much as maralago.


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Originally Posted By Ausaric⏩
The train is in a tunnel, upside down and on fire.lol no care
TRUMP 2024
NO BRAKES ON THIS TRAIN
MAGA
TRUMP 2024
NO BRAKES ON THIS TRAIN
MAGA
I loe e.
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It's unfortunate these major commercial development projects have to be delayed- until they are eventually appealed- due to a matrimonial lawyer, being elected into position he is under qualified for (judge)
https://www.amny.com/new-york/manhat...legal-battles/
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Originally Posted By 128⏩
just LMAO if you don't think the R's are colluding here against trump.Do you think any of this happens if he wasn't running against Democrats?
Who is a bigger threat to the R party?
A. TRUMP
B. BIDEN
Once you realize this, everything makes sense.
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Just fyi a few things about this matrimonial lawyer:
He was always elected as a democrat into position - never appointed
Don't get confused by "Supreme court judge" Supreme Court is actually the name of the lowest court in New York.
His law Clerk, Allison R. Greenfield, was endorsed in 2022 by the Manhattan Democrats
https://manhattandemocrats.org/2022/...reening-panel/
Pic of her and Chuck...

And yes, she's does most the writing...
21% of his cases going to appeal end up with a negative outcome.
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