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FBI Creates New Terrorism Category for Trump MAGA Supporters
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[QUOTE][b]The federal government believes that the threat of violence and major civil disturbances around the 2024 U.S. presidential election is so great that it has quietly created a new category of extremists that it seeks to track and counter: Donald Trump's army of MAGA followers.[/b]
The challenge for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the primary federal agency charged with law enforcement, is to pursue and prevent what it calls domestic terrorism without direct reference to political parties or affiliations—even though the vast majority of its current "anti-government" investigations are of Trump supporters, according to classified data obtained by Newsweek.
"The FBI is in an almost impossible position," says a current FBI official, who requested anonymity to discuss highly sensitive internal matters. The official said that the FBI is intent on stopping domestic terrorism and any repeat of the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. But the Bureau must also preserve the Constitutional right of all Americans to campaign, speak freely and protest the government.[b] By focusing on former president Trump and his MAGA (Make America Great Again) supporters, the official said, the Bureau runs the risk of provoking the very anti-government activists that the terrorism agencies hope to counter.
"Especially at a time when the White House is facing Congressional Republican opposition claiming that the Biden administration has 'weaponized' the Bureau against the right wing, it has to tread very carefully," says the official.[/b]
Newsweek spoke to over a dozen current or former government officials who specialize in terrorism in a three-month investigation to understand the current domestic-security landscape and to evaluate what President Joe Biden's administration is doing about what it calls domestic terrorism. Most requested anonymity because they were not authorized to talk publicly, were reluctant to stray into partisan politics or feared the repercussions of speaking frankly.
Newsweek has also reviewed secret FBI and Department of Homeland Security data that track incidents, threats, investigations and cases to try to build a better picture. While experts agree that the current partisan environment is charged and uniquely dangerous (with the threat not only of violence but, in the most extreme scenarios, possibly civil war), many also question whether "terrorism" is the most effective way to describe the problem, or that the methods of counterterrorism developed over the past decade in response to Al-Qaeda and other Islamist groups constitute the most fruitful way to craft domestic solutions.
"The current political environment is not something that the FBI is necessarily responsible for, nor should it be," says Brian Michael Jenkins, one of the world's leading terrorism experts and senior adviser to the president of the RAND Corporation.
In a statement to Newsweek, the FBI said: "The threat posed by domestic violent extremists is persistent, evolving, and deadly. The FBI's goal is to detect and stop terrorist attacks, and our focus is on potential criminal violations, violence and threats of violence. Anti-government or anti-authority violent extremism is one category of domestic terrorism, as well as one of the FBI's top threat priorities." The FBI further said, "We are committed to protecting the safety and constitutional rights of all Americans and will never open an investigation based solely on First Amendment protected activity, including a person's political beliefs or affiliations."
The White House declined to comment. The Trump campaign was given an opportunity to comment but did not do so.
[b]What the FBI Data Shows[/b]
[b]From the president down, the Biden administration has presented Trump and MAGA as an existential threat to American democracy and talked up the risk of domestic terrorism and violence associated with the 2024 election campaign.
"Donald Trump and MAGA Republicans are a threat to the very soul of this country," President Biden tweeted last September, the first time that he explicitly singled out the former president. "MAGA Republicans aim to question not only the legitimacy of past elections but elections being held now and into the future," Biden said.[/b]
Biden's Homeland Security Advisor Liz Sherwood-Randall said: "The use of violence to pursue political ends is a profound threat to our public safety and national security...it is a threat to our national identity, our values, our norms, our rule of law—our democracy."
For Attorney General Merrick Garland: "Attacks by domestic terrorists are attacks on all of us collectively, aimed at rending the fabric of our democratic society and driving us apart."
Though the FBI's data shows a dip in the number of investigations since the slew of January 6 cases ended, FBI Director Christopher Wray still says that the breach of the Capitol building was "not an isolated event" and the threat is "not going away anytime soon." In a joint report to Congress this June, the Bureau and the Department of Homeland Security say that "Threats from...DVEs [domestic violent extremists] have increased in the last two years, and any further increases in threats likely will correspond to potential flashpoints, such as high-profile elections and campaigns or contentious current events."
The FBI and DHS report concludes: "Sociopolitical developments—such as narratives of fraud in the recent general election, the emboldening impact of the violent breach of the U.S. Capitol, conditions related to the COVID-19 pandemic, and conspiracy theories promoting violence—will almost certainly spur some domestic terrorists to try to engage in violence."
[b]The threats listed in that paragraph are all clearly associated with America's right and in particular with Trump's MAGA supporters. Right after January 6, the FBI co-authored a restricted report ("Domestic Violent Extremists Emboldened in Aftermath of Capitol Breach, Elevated Domestic Terrorism Threat of Violence Likely Amid Political Transitions and Beyond") in which it shifted the definition of AGAAVE ("anti-government, anti-authority violent extremism") from "furtherance of ideological agendas" to "furtherance of political and/or social agendas." For the first time, such groups could be so labeled because of their politics.
It was a subtle change, little noticed, but a gigantic departure for the Bureau. Trump and his army of supporters were acknowledged as a distinct category of domestic violent extremists[/b], even as the FBI was saying publicly that political views were never part of its criteria to investigate or prevent domestic terrorism. Where the FBI sees threats is also plain from the way it categorizes them—a system which on the surface is designed to appear nonpartisan. This shifted subtly days after the events of January 6 when it comes to what the Bureau calls AGAAVE.
"We cannot and do not investigate ideology," a senior FBI official reassured the press after January 6. "We focus on individuals who commit or intend to commit violence or criminal activity that constitutes a federal crime or poses a threat to national security."
But the FBI went further in October 2022 when it created a new subcategory—"AGAAVE-Other"—of those who were a threat but do not fit into its anarchist, militia or Sovereign Citizen groups. Introduced without any announcement, and reported here for the first time, the new classification is officially defined as "domestic violent extremists who cite anti-government or anti-authority motivations for violence or criminal activity not otherwise defined, such as individuals motivated by a desire to commit violence against those with a real or perceived association with a specific political party or faction of a specific political party."
Though Trump and MAGA are never mentioned in the official description of AGAAVE-Other, government insiders acknowledge that it applies to political violence ascribed to the former president's supporters.
"What other name could we use?" asks one FBI officer who spoke with Newsweek, and who defends what he says is merely a record-keeping change in response to Congressional pressure to track things better. "Obviously if Democratic Party supporters resort to violence, it [AGAAVE-Other] would apply to them as well. It doesn't matter that there is a low likelihood of that. So yes, in practical terms, it refers to MAGA, though the carefully constructed language is wholly nonpartisan."
In its statement to Newsweek, the FBI said that the AGAAVE threat "includes anarchist violent extremists, militia violent extremists, sovereign citizen violent extremists, and other violent extremists—some of whom are motivated by a desire to harm those with a real or perceived association with a political party or faction."
Another senior intelligence official who requested anonymity told Newsweek, "We've crossed the Rubicon." In emailed responses to questions, he said, "Trump's army constitutes the greatest threat of violence domestically...politically...that's the reality and the problem set. That's what the FBI, as a law enforcement agency, has to deal with. But whether Trump and his supporters are a threat to national security, to the country, whether they represent a threat of civil war? That's a trickier question. And that's for the country to deal with, not the FBI."
The revelations that some Trump supporters are being specifically targeted by the FBI fits with accusations from among them that the Bureau has them in its sights and is the political tool of a repressive deep state in Washington, D.C., bent on preserving the hold of the political establishment at the cost of democracy.
Such views are not only from the furthest fringe. Some of Trump's Republican allies in Congress have called for the FBI to be defunded over such accusations and the prosecution of Trump supporters over the January 6 attack. The fight over the FBI is in itself helping to stoke the political temperature ahead of the 2024 election.
"For perhaps the first time in our history, the FBI's counterterrorism operational tempo remains high for international terrorism, state-sponsored terrorism and domestic terrorism, simultaneously," FBI director Wray declared at Texas A&M University this summer.
A senior intelligence official who works at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence says it is hard to digest all the evidence. "When you are used to hearing that the sky is falling every day, when that's the nature of the cable news and Twitter worlds we live where everything is overstated, there's a lot of room for doubt," he says.
"But I say this as a citizen as much as a government analyst," the senior official says. "We are in a unique moment and the numbers are daunting."
The FBI official says that those who are charged with upholding the law see numbers that are worrying but that there is also a struggle to characterize the specific threat to America—and whether it really should be called terrorism—as well as the proper response.
"This is not media hype. But it's also not easily quantifiable," the FBI official says. "Are we talking just a few thousand Proud Boy types or are we talking 30 percent of the country that are core Trump voters? Are we talking extremists bent on political violence or just a lot of disgruntled and frustrated citizens? I don't know the answer, and I can assure you the answer isn't in any secret intelligence that the government possesses."[/QUOTE]
Keep reading story:
[URL=https://www.newsweek.com/2023/10/13/exclusive-fbi-targets-trump-followers-2024-election-nears-1831836.html]https://www.newsweek.com/2023/10/13/...s-1831836.html[/URL]
[QUOTE][b]The federal government believes that the threat of violence and major civil disturbances around the 2024 U.S. presidential election is so great that it has quietly created a new category of extremists that it seeks to track and counter: Donald Trump's army of MAGA followers.[/b]
The challenge for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the primary federal agency charged with law enforcement, is to pursue and prevent what it calls domestic terrorism without direct reference to political parties or affiliations—even though the vast majority of its current "anti-government" investigations are of Trump supporters, according to classified data obtained by Newsweek.
"The FBI is in an almost impossible position," says a current FBI official, who requested anonymity to discuss highly sensitive internal matters. The official said that the FBI is intent on stopping domestic terrorism and any repeat of the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. But the Bureau must also preserve the Constitutional right of all Americans to campaign, speak freely and protest the government.[b] By focusing on former president Trump and his MAGA (Make America Great Again) supporters, the official said, the Bureau runs the risk of provoking the very anti-government activists that the terrorism agencies hope to counter.
"Especially at a time when the White House is facing Congressional Republican opposition claiming that the Biden administration has 'weaponized' the Bureau against the right wing, it has to tread very carefully," says the official.[/b]
Newsweek spoke to over a dozen current or former government officials who specialize in terrorism in a three-month investigation to understand the current domestic-security landscape and to evaluate what President Joe Biden's administration is doing about what it calls domestic terrorism. Most requested anonymity because they were not authorized to talk publicly, were reluctant to stray into partisan politics or feared the repercussions of speaking frankly.
Newsweek has also reviewed secret FBI and Department of Homeland Security data that track incidents, threats, investigations and cases to try to build a better picture. While experts agree that the current partisan environment is charged and uniquely dangerous (with the threat not only of violence but, in the most extreme scenarios, possibly civil war), many also question whether "terrorism" is the most effective way to describe the problem, or that the methods of counterterrorism developed over the past decade in response to Al-Qaeda and other Islamist groups constitute the most fruitful way to craft domestic solutions.
"The current political environment is not something that the FBI is necessarily responsible for, nor should it be," says Brian Michael Jenkins, one of the world's leading terrorism experts and senior adviser to the president of the RAND Corporation.
In a statement to Newsweek, the FBI said: "The threat posed by domestic violent extremists is persistent, evolving, and deadly. The FBI's goal is to detect and stop terrorist attacks, and our focus is on potential criminal violations, violence and threats of violence. Anti-government or anti-authority violent extremism is one category of domestic terrorism, as well as one of the FBI's top threat priorities." The FBI further said, "We are committed to protecting the safety and constitutional rights of all Americans and will never open an investigation based solely on First Amendment protected activity, including a person's political beliefs or affiliations."
The White House declined to comment. The Trump campaign was given an opportunity to comment but did not do so.
[b]What the FBI Data Shows[/b]
[b]From the president down, the Biden administration has presented Trump and MAGA as an existential threat to American democracy and talked up the risk of domestic terrorism and violence associated with the 2024 election campaign.
"Donald Trump and MAGA Republicans are a threat to the very soul of this country," President Biden tweeted last September, the first time that he explicitly singled out the former president. "MAGA Republicans aim to question not only the legitimacy of past elections but elections being held now and into the future," Biden said.[/b]
Biden's Homeland Security Advisor Liz Sherwood-Randall said: "The use of violence to pursue political ends is a profound threat to our public safety and national security...it is a threat to our national identity, our values, our norms, our rule of law—our democracy."
For Attorney General Merrick Garland: "Attacks by domestic terrorists are attacks on all of us collectively, aimed at rending the fabric of our democratic society and driving us apart."
Though the FBI's data shows a dip in the number of investigations since the slew of January 6 cases ended, FBI Director Christopher Wray still says that the breach of the Capitol building was "not an isolated event" and the threat is "not going away anytime soon." In a joint report to Congress this June, the Bureau and the Department of Homeland Security say that "Threats from...DVEs [domestic violent extremists] have increased in the last two years, and any further increases in threats likely will correspond to potential flashpoints, such as high-profile elections and campaigns or contentious current events."
The FBI and DHS report concludes: "Sociopolitical developments—such as narratives of fraud in the recent general election, the emboldening impact of the violent breach of the U.S. Capitol, conditions related to the COVID-19 pandemic, and conspiracy theories promoting violence—will almost certainly spur some domestic terrorists to try to engage in violence."
[b]The threats listed in that paragraph are all clearly associated with America's right and in particular with Trump's MAGA supporters. Right after January 6, the FBI co-authored a restricted report ("Domestic Violent Extremists Emboldened in Aftermath of Capitol Breach, Elevated Domestic Terrorism Threat of Violence Likely Amid Political Transitions and Beyond") in which it shifted the definition of AGAAVE ("anti-government, anti-authority violent extremism") from "furtherance of ideological agendas" to "furtherance of political and/or social agendas." For the first time, such groups could be so labeled because of their politics.
It was a subtle change, little noticed, but a gigantic departure for the Bureau. Trump and his army of supporters were acknowledged as a distinct category of domestic violent extremists[/b], even as the FBI was saying publicly that political views were never part of its criteria to investigate or prevent domestic terrorism. Where the FBI sees threats is also plain from the way it categorizes them—a system which on the surface is designed to appear nonpartisan. This shifted subtly days after the events of January 6 when it comes to what the Bureau calls AGAAVE.
"We cannot and do not investigate ideology," a senior FBI official reassured the press after January 6. "We focus on individuals who commit or intend to commit violence or criminal activity that constitutes a federal crime or poses a threat to national security."
But the FBI went further in October 2022 when it created a new subcategory—"AGAAVE-Other"—of those who were a threat but do not fit into its anarchist, militia or Sovereign Citizen groups. Introduced without any announcement, and reported here for the first time, the new classification is officially defined as "domestic violent extremists who cite anti-government or anti-authority motivations for violence or criminal activity not otherwise defined, such as individuals motivated by a desire to commit violence against those with a real or perceived association with a specific political party or faction of a specific political party."
Though Trump and MAGA are never mentioned in the official description of AGAAVE-Other, government insiders acknowledge that it applies to political violence ascribed to the former president's supporters.
"What other name could we use?" asks one FBI officer who spoke with Newsweek, and who defends what he says is merely a record-keeping change in response to Congressional pressure to track things better. "Obviously if Democratic Party supporters resort to violence, it [AGAAVE-Other] would apply to them as well. It doesn't matter that there is a low likelihood of that. So yes, in practical terms, it refers to MAGA, though the carefully constructed language is wholly nonpartisan."
In its statement to Newsweek, the FBI said that the AGAAVE threat "includes anarchist violent extremists, militia violent extremists, sovereign citizen violent extremists, and other violent extremists—some of whom are motivated by a desire to harm those with a real or perceived association with a political party or faction."
Another senior intelligence official who requested anonymity told Newsweek, "We've crossed the Rubicon." In emailed responses to questions, he said, "Trump's army constitutes the greatest threat of violence domestically...politically...that's the reality and the problem set. That's what the FBI, as a law enforcement agency, has to deal with. But whether Trump and his supporters are a threat to national security, to the country, whether they represent a threat of civil war? That's a trickier question. And that's for the country to deal with, not the FBI."
The revelations that some Trump supporters are being specifically targeted by the FBI fits with accusations from among them that the Bureau has them in its sights and is the political tool of a repressive deep state in Washington, D.C., bent on preserving the hold of the political establishment at the cost of democracy.
Such views are not only from the furthest fringe. Some of Trump's Republican allies in Congress have called for the FBI to be defunded over such accusations and the prosecution of Trump supporters over the January 6 attack. The fight over the FBI is in itself helping to stoke the political temperature ahead of the 2024 election.
"For perhaps the first time in our history, the FBI's counterterrorism operational tempo remains high for international terrorism, state-sponsored terrorism and domestic terrorism, simultaneously," FBI director Wray declared at Texas A&M University this summer.
A senior intelligence official who works at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence says it is hard to digest all the evidence. "When you are used to hearing that the sky is falling every day, when that's the nature of the cable news and Twitter worlds we live where everything is overstated, there's a lot of room for doubt," he says.
"But I say this as a citizen as much as a government analyst," the senior official says. "We are in a unique moment and the numbers are daunting."
The FBI official says that those who are charged with upholding the law see numbers that are worrying but that there is also a struggle to characterize the specific threat to America—and whether it really should be called terrorism—as well as the proper response.
"This is not media hype. But it's also not easily quantifiable," the FBI official says. "Are we talking just a few thousand Proud Boy types or are we talking 30 percent of the country that are core Trump voters? Are we talking extremists bent on political violence or just a lot of disgruntled and frustrated citizens? I don't know the answer, and I can assure you the answer isn't in any secret intelligence that the government possesses."[/QUOTE]
Keep reading story:
[URL=https://www.newsweek.com/2023/10/13/exclusive-fbi-targets-trump-followers-2024-election-nears-1831836.html]https://www.newsweek.com/2023/10/13/...s-1831836.html[/URL]
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Meanwhile the current VP solicited funds to bail out the human trash that actually committed violent crimes during the "Summer of Love" in 2020.
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Originally Posted By fitnessislife⏩
Dey dindu nuffinMeanwhile the current VP solicited funds to bail out the human trash that actually committed violent crimes during the "Summer of Love" in 2020.
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By the way, MAGA to them is anyone who doesn't go along with their agenda
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Making America great again, what a terrible idea lol . I prefer Bidens “ make America a Great Depression Again” agenda much better
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according to classified data obtained by Newsweek
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Um, wouldn't that be...illegal to possess?
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Um, wouldn't that be...illegal to possess?
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Originally Posted By gmenfan40⏩
Just like a bully has to only smash a few heads before the word gets out and everyone gets in-line. I think that is what they are doing with J6. Is it working? Apparently not for the patriots.Imagine indicting the 74.2 million people who voted for Trump in 2020. (Super Ded fkn Srs)
But most people are happy to sit by as long as they have their netflix, video games and porn. Our country has gotten soft. We went from ‘give me liberty or give me death’ to ‘give me security and take away my liberty’. Benjamin Franklin said it best: those who would trade essential liberties for temporary security, deserve neither.
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
They are from tptb's point of view:Yes, it's the MAGA extremists that are the true threat to law and order. Not the endless legion of "economically disenfranchised so it's okay" BLM rioters or the "it doesn't exist, it's just an idea" ANTIFA fggots.
"Law and order" = Absolute tyranny imposed by the WEF, etc.
Supporting freedom, aka the Constitution = terrorism worthy of being killed in their minds.
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Originally Posted By PaulJerome⏩
except that's not what he said nor is the context you are using it in correct....Benjamin Franklin said it best: those who would trade essential liberties for temporary security, deserve neither.
"He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it."
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
You know, I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't MAGA Republicans who questioned the legitimacy of an election.. Been a long time, but something about some Russian hacking and influencing something."Donald Trump and MAGA Republicans are a threat to the very soul of this country," President Biden tweeted last September, the first time that he explicitly singled out the former president. "MAGA Republicans aim to question not only the legitimacy of past elections but elections being held now and into the future," Biden said.
Biden: 'There is clear evidence' Russia tried to impact 2016 election
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Originally Posted By PaulJerome⏩
The covid hysteria showed us that not only will people give up their essential liberties, but will do so happily - then brag about it.Just like a bully has to only smash a few heads before the word gets out and everyone gets in-line. I think that is what they are doing with J6. Is it working? Apparently not for the patriots.
But most people are happy to sit by as long as they have their netflix, video games and porn. Our country has gotten soft. We went from ‘give me liberty or give me death’ to ‘give me security and take away my liberty’. Benjamin Franklin said it best: those who would trade essential liberties for temporary security, deserve neither.
But most people are happy to sit by as long as they have their netflix, video games and porn. Our country has gotten soft. We went from ‘give me liberty or give me death’ to ‘give me security and take away my liberty’. Benjamin Franklin said it best: those who would trade essential liberties for temporary security, deserve neither.
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[QUOTE=Bushmaster post_id=1691134633]You know, I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't MAGA Republicans who questioned the legitimacy of an election.. Been a long time, but something about some Russian hacking and influencing something.
[b]Biden: 'There is clear evidence' Russia tried to impact 2016 election[/b]
[youtube]xGOR4C9tbb0[/youtub][/QUOTE]Lock him up! Threat to Democracy!
2016- Election was rigged! Impeach!
2020 - Despite the huge increase in mail in voting, last minute changes, etc..."The most secure election in History! How dare anyone question it!"
[b]Biden: 'There is clear evidence' Russia tried to impact 2016 election[/b]
[youtube]xGOR4C9tbb0[/youtub][/QUOTE]Lock him up! Threat to Democracy!
2016- Election was rigged! Impeach!
2020 - Despite the huge increase in mail in voting, last minute changes, etc..."The most secure election in History! How dare anyone question it!"
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
I mean seriously.. That's all we heard for four solid years.. Muh Russian hackorizing and collusion!Lock him up! Threat to Democracy!
2016- Election was rigged! Impeach!
2020 - Despite the huge increase in mail in voting, last minute changes, etc..."The most secure election in History! How dare anyone question it!"
2016- Election was rigged! Impeach!
2020 - Despite the huge increase in mail in voting, last minute changes, etc..."The most secure election in History! How dare anyone question it!"
And then just like that they're all appalled at the very thought of questioning the sanctity of our sacred sanctity election process.
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Originally Posted By LMAOatVatniks⏩
This is really sad. You are actually trusting NPR to interpret your history. You do realize the powers that be are rewriting history. They changed the definition of vaccine, the Democrats never questioned elections, and on and on. Tempted to neg for trying to pass off NPR as real news. Will give you a pass because I haven't negged anyone in my history here.except that's not what he said nor is the context you are using it in correct....
"He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it."
"He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it."
What does your NPR or other leftist 'news' outlets have to say about Patrick Henry's words 'give me liberty or give me death'? Put it into its proper historical perspective for us. Maybe in Colonial days Liberty was actually the name of a Slooty Stripper Patrick was desperate to bang.
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10-04-2023, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
There's been 70+ court cases and not one shred of evidence it was rigged. Where is the proof it was rigged? Republicans have been losing elections non-stop since 2017.2020 - Despite the huge increase in mail in voting, last minute changes, etc..."The most secure election in History! How dare anyone question it!"
Trump lost because he ran a terrible campaign. His first debate did more damage to his campaign more than anything the Dems/media/academia/etc. etc. could do.
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10-04-2023, 05:22 PM
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My politicized interactions with cultist Trumper morons is 100% limited to this little forum, where I think 97% of y'all are decent, well meaning people who in no way could be considered anything close to terrorists.
Still, there has been frequent references to civil war and chit like that here. If it's that widespread, with pockets of far more extreme rhetoric elsewhere, then I don't think anyone should be surprised the FBI is tuned into it or start spazzing out that they're coming for you.
Still, there has been frequent references to civil war and chit like that here. If it's that widespread, with pockets of far more extreme rhetoric elsewhere, then I don't think anyone should be surprised the FBI is tuned into it or start spazzing out that they're coming for you.
10-04-2023, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
What proof is there that 2016 was rigged?There's been 70+ court cases and not one shred of evidence it was rigged. Where is the proof it was rigged? Republicans have been losing elections non-stop since 2017.
Trump lost because he ran a terrible campaign. His first debate did more damage to his campaign more than anything the Dems/media/academia/etc. etc. could do.
Trump lost because he ran a terrible campaign. His first debate did more damage to his campaign more than anything the Dems/media/academia/etc. etc. could do.
10-04-2023, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Fair, so you must also agree there should be a separate category for the leftists in organizations like "By Any Means Necessary" or "Antifa" - correct?My politicized interactions with cultist Trumper morons is 100% limited to this little forum, where I think 97% of y'all are decent, well meaning people who in no way could be considered anything close to terrorists.
Still, there has been frequent references to civil war and chit like that here. If it's that widespread, with pockets of far more extreme rhetoric elsewhere, then I don't think anyone should be surprised the FBI is tuned into it or start spazzing out that they're coming for you.
Still, there has been frequent references to civil war and chit like that here. If it's that widespread, with pockets of far more extreme rhetoric elsewhere, then I don't think anyone should be surprised the FBI is tuned into it or start spazzing out that they're coming for you.
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10-04-2023, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted By PaulJerome⏩
RAW: Driver hits Louisville protesterThis is really sad.You are actually trusting NPR to interpret your history. You do realize the powers that be are rewriting history. They changed the definition of vaccine, the Democrats never questioned elections, and on and on.Tempted to neg for trying to pass off NPR as real news.Will give you a pass because I haven't negged anyone in my history here.
What does your NPR or other leftist 'news' outlets have to say about Patrick Henry's words 'give me liberty or give me death'? Put it into its proper historical perspective for us. Maybe in Colonial days Liberty was actually the name of a Slooty Stripper Patrick was desperate to bang.
What does your NPR or other leftist 'news' outlets have to say about Patrick Henry's words 'give me liberty or give me death'? Put it into its proper historical perspective for us. Maybe in Colonial days Liberty was actually the name of a Slooty Stripper Patrick was desperate to bang.
And NPR says......
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10-04-2023, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
Correct. And I think there is still probably more potential energy lurking behind perceived racial issues than in any highly charged "political environment".Fair, so you must also agree there should be a separate category for the leftists in organizations like "By Any Means Necessary" or "Antifa" - correct?
10-04-2023, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Good, just pointing out that it's a pretty lopsided issue when it comes to targeting citizens and weaponizing the government against them. For some reason the right-wing has no stomach for it (seems more American) and the left looks at it like a necessity.Correct. And I think there is still probably more potential energy lurking behind perceived racial issues than in any highly charged "political environment".
Hope you take that into account when you vote next year.
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10-04-2023, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted By fitnessislife⏩
But what can be...unburdened...by what has been.Meanwhile the current VP solicited funds to bail out the human trash that actually committed violent crimes during the "Summer of Love" in 2020.
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10-04-2023, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted By LMAOatVatniks⏩
Yeah I did always think it was more applicable to the patriot act.except that's not what he said nor is the context you are using it in correct....
"He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it."
"He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a little temporary safety very literally. The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it."
10-04-2023, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
2016 wasn't rigged. But it was an aberration.What proof is there that 2016 was rigged?
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10-04-2023, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Because it was #HerTurn?2016 wasn't rigged. But it was an aberration.
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