Like, it’s the exact same job

The same people
The same surroundings (on days you’re in the office)
The same work
The same committees, clients, deadlines


But somehow, the minute you go from being financially dependent on the company, to not caring (or even slightly hoping) that you get made redundant

Everything just becomes so much more relaxed

Completely illogical yet also completely true

Because you have no responsabilities anymore (i.e. you are not afraid of getting fired).

It doesn't happen if you have a high responsability job.

What would be an example of a high responsibility job in this context

This is why I’m in favour of some chit like UBI or something that covers your basic living requirements, i.e. food & shelter.

The work place is largely ass because people depend on their jobs to survive and will put up with all sorts of ridiculous crap as a result which eventually turns them into kunts, and this creates these commonplace toxic work cultures and so on.

Surgeons, the responsible for Nuclear Power Plants, pilots, cops, soldiers, ... basically jobs that if you make a mistake, people die.

Because when you depend on the job to survive, those are the chains that bind you as a wageslave


When you don’t depend on it, there are no more chains and you’re not a slave anymore

This would definitely shift the balance of power back in favour of the worker

I actually heard that in some third world countries, your health insurance is linked to your employment status! Imagine giving your employer that kind of control over your life.

Yeah but let’s say you were a literal slave, and you were getting beaten and whipped all day and doing hard manual labour

The moment Abraham Lincoln killed the owners and gave you your freedom, you’d be gooooooooooonnnneeee

Now modern day workcelling isn’t quite so bad

But, you could have the exact same job, and it suddenly becomes more palatable once you don’t need it anymore

There must be a switch that flips in your head or something

Because it sucks balls being financially dependant

I only really became financially dependant when I bought my condo

I had to put down all my savings for the down payment..

Now that I got the condo I've been trying to stack and building security but its been bill after bill for the most part so far

same with women

It’s *almost* as if society has been specifically designed to keep you dependent on banks and your employer so you just continue working away and providing units of output for a salary that is continually getting eroded by inflation and declining profit share

Almost

How so

UBI is just a trendy modern buzzword for the same communist socialistic bullchit that has failed in the past. UBI is not this cool new fancy system that will fix everything. It's exactly what has been tried and tested before, just rebranded into this supposed cool new thing

But to answers OP question, the greatest thing it's that FK U money feeling. Same chit. You don't have to kiss ass and do things that make you hate yourself, because u dont give a fk anymore and dont need to sck their man tit to feed yourself

That's what I love about the US. You can demand whatever you want, and if you have the skillset they will give it to you.

BTW, companies usually pay your health insurance as a perk, but you can always go get your own. So no, it's not tied to your employer. If you're poor you can get subsidized healthcare as well, if you're old you can get subsidized healthcare even if you aren't poor.

What does a kilo of bananas cost in AU?

Hrm… ok maybe one aspect is, you no longer have to put in the “discretionary effort”

That is probably part of the explanation, but wouldn’t account for all of it

Maybe it’s something to do with the fact that, even though you have exactly the same probability of [making a mistake, pissing off a client, pissing off your boss] it no longer has any consequences. So stress level goes to zero. Idk.

you will be single forever but once you find a gf, other women suddenly had interest.

That has a logical explanation though - “social proof”

What is your ideal solution once automation and AI start gobbling up tens of millions of jobs?

If I don't need it then I don't go to it, brah

Whatever it is, it definitely involves eating ze bugs

Right now i could comfortably retire , mortgage paid off, no debts, plenty in the bank and if i took my pension now i could live just fine

so why stay at work?

Well i do about 5-10 hours a week max, i like the people i work with, the work i do is interesting and im stacking cash that i dont actually need right now for the future when who knows what may happen......in reality i feel like i am already semi retired... i could do this for years without issue

but the fact that i DONT have to work completely changes your mindset....if anything changed for the worse i would just say FCK your Job and leave ................feelz good

This is just cause once you stop putting them on a pedestal and acting like blueberryboy, you won’t scare them away anymore

You don't actually really say anything here other than communicate an indoctrinated distaste for a more socialist way of life.

But yea, there's a reason I said "some chit LIKE UBI", because UBI may not be quite the right solution. My point was moreso the introduction of a system (UBI or something else) where our basic living requirements, i.e. food and shelter, are a basic human right.

I always make it a point to always put money aside in case I want to quit my job and to not be dependent on it, that way, the power is always on my side with talking to managers / clients.

Because it becomes a choice and not a necessity. Did you choose the job or were you forced to because of X reason. If I didn't want to work I wouldn't have to. Because of that I know I can walk away any time and so I choose to keep doing it.

Knowing that you can survive a couple of years without going into debt, your 401k, or selling anything, brings a peace of mind. This is multiplied if youknowthat you'll be able to find another job within the a few months after a job loss. You login to work, or commute to the office, and you're not embraced by a feeling of "I need to kiss arse, work extra hard, and do everything right, just so I'm not next, just so I can survive."

It is equivalent to a hefty weight lifted off your shoulder.

If you ask someone "how much money do you need to have 'phark you' money?" their answer is usually in the multi-millions.

But I think there's multiple levels...


Level 0 - Phark Me Money - In debt, pay check to pay check, very little or even negative net worth, higher CoL:income ratio, maybe due to where you live, dependents, or medical bills. Career / industry is shaky. You need your job.

Level 1 - Phark It Money - Little to no debt, can survive 6+ months just from liquid (savings, non-retirement investments). Probably $100k+ net worth. Career / industry is booming. You don't need your job, but you likely want it, as you will eventually need another if chit hits the fan.

Level 2 - Phark You Money - Negligible or zero debt, enough in non-retirement investments to bring you your CoL on its own (assuming 6% return or so), probably lower CoL since you might even own outright your living situation (no mortgage/rent). Probably $750k+ net worth. You don't need your job at all.

Level 3 - Phark Everything Money - Negligible or zero debt, can essentially retire tomorrow. Probably $3m+ net worth. Why even work anymore?

I've never been in this situation but I assume this will happen before I retire.

I guess the only exception was when I was heading out on maternity leave, so I knew there was an end in sight for a long break.

Nsa.gov

When does this happen and how do you reach that point? Is it after you have a big savings? Unless you got $500k+ in the bank and very cheap living expenses, I don't you can truly NOT care.