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post 1696039573 01-07-2024, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
What does that have to do with SV40 and cancer?
gotta love the wayback machine

https://web.archive.org/web/20130522..._factsheet.htm

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...nts%20&f=false

"61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection."
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Originally Posted By Paul
gotta love the wayback machine

https://web.archive.org/web/20130522..._factsheet.htm

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...nts%20&f=false

"61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection."
See where it says "excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines"?

See where it says "horizontal infection"?

Dude, read your sources and posts.

Possibly worth a gander:

https://www.chop.edu/centers-program...gredients/sv40
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
See where it says "excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines ?

See where it says "horizontal infection"?

Dude, read your sources and posts.

Possibly worth a gander:

https://www.chop.edu/centers-program...gredients/sv40
see where it says

More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine from 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10–30 million Americans could have received an SV40 contaminated dose of vaccine.

In the 1950s, rhesus monkey kidney cells, which contain SV40 if the animal is infected, were used in preparing polio vaccines. Because SV40 was not discovered until 1960, no one was aware in the 1950s that polio vaccine could be contaminated.


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Originally Posted By Paul
see where it says

More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine from 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10–30 million Americans could have received an SV40 contaminated dose of vaccine.

In the 1950s, rhesus monkey kidney cells, which contain SV40 if the animal is infected, were used in preparing polio vaccines. Because SV40 was not discovered until 1960, no one was aware in the 1950s that polio vaccine could be contaminated.


Uhhh.

Yeah, vaccine not linked to cancer. Right in your own supporting documents.

Just lol
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Uhhh.

Yeah, vaccine not linked to cancer. Right in your own supporting documents.

Just lol
Except they admitted to it dum dum..


Former Merck vaccine chief admits Adding CANCER-CAUSING VIRUS to Vaccine

post 1696041123 01-07-2024, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Except they admitted to it dum dum..


Former Merck vaccine chief admits Adding CANCER-CAUSING VIRUS to Vaccine
So like jtaylor, you wanna bail on what you posted?

Now trying to move to a YouTube video?

Hoping I'll pretend you didn't link what you linked and quote what you quoted?
Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Even the spun narrative is false.

Epidemiologic studies showed no increased risk of cancers in those who received polio vaccine between 1955 and 1963.
Such lulz
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
So like jtaylor, you wanna bail on what you posted?

Now trying to move to a YouTube video?

Hoping I'll pretend you didn't link what you linked and quote what you quoted?

Such lulz
The video speaks for itself, an admission of SV40 in the vaccines and the harmful effects of it...from Merck. Not sure what else you need
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Originally Posted By Paul
The video speaks for itself, an admission of SV40 in the vaccines and the harmful effects of it...from Merck. Not sure what else you need
Originally Posted By Paul
gotta love the wayback machine

https://web.archive.org/web/20130522..._factsheet.htm

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...nts%20&f=false

"61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection."
Lol
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Originally Posted By NextPound
Because I asked my doctor if he was getting it and if he was giving it to his kids. He said yes on both accounts, so it was a no brainer for me.

I answered you. Now answer me on when we are all going to die Mr. Expert.
Why would your children need it? Not to dig into personal info, but are they severely immuno-compromised? Children were all but immune to covid.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Lol





We conclude that SV40 is significantly associated with some types of NHL and that lymphomas should be added to the types of human cancers associated with SV40."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15202523/
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Originally Posted By JUSA
Why would your children need it? Not to dig into personal info, but are they severely immuno-compromised? Children were all but immune to covid.
The table of hospitalizations shared above together with all of the other data suggests otherwise, no?

Here's a new one:

"Infants with acute SARS-CoV-2 infection may show a subclinical and transient alteration of myocardial injury markers, especially in the first months of life. hs-cTn levels normalized during follow-up and were not associated with cardiac functional impairment; nevertheless, long-term consequences are unknown and should be carefully followed."

https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-...740-0/fulltext

A slightly older one:

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination Reduces the Occurrence of Post-COVID Conditions in U.S. Children Aged 5-17 Years Following Omicron SARS-CoV-2 Infection, July 2021-September 2022

"When comparing children with and without PCC symptoms, COVID-19 mRNA vaccination was associated with a decreased likelihood of >1 PCC symptom (aOR 0.66, 95% CI 0.43-0.99), >2 PCC symptoms (aOR 0.52, 95% 0.32-0.83), and respiratory PCC symptoms (aOR 0.53, 95% CI 0.33-0.87) (Table 3)."

https://academic.oup.com/ofid/articl...0.2466/7448254
post 1696043093 01-07-2024, 08:18 PM
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oh looky here..

Cancer risk associated with simian virus 40 contaminated polio vaccine



https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10472327/

RESULTS: Our analysis indicates increased rates of ependymomas (37%), osteogenic sarcomas (26%), other bone tumors (34%) and mesothelioma (90%) among those in the exposed as compared to the unexposed birth cohort.

CONCLUSIONS: These data suggest that there may be an increased incidence of certain cancers among the 98 million persons exposed to contaminated polio vaccine in the U.S.; further investigations are clearly justified.



Association between SV40 and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15202523/
post 1696043403 01-07-2024, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012
SARSCOV2 emerged and spilled over into humans through the wildlife trade.
Great response, just ignore the 20 year paper trail I posted complete with links to official government sources and actual patents filed. Fukkin retard.
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Originally Posted By Paul
oh looky here..

Cancer risk associated with simian virus 40 contaminated polio vaccine



https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10472327/

RESULTS: Our analysis indicates increased rates of ependymomas (37%), osteogenic sarcomas (26%), other bone tumors (34%) and mesothelioma (90%) among those in the exposed as compared to the unexposed birth cohort.

CONCLUSIONS: These data suggest that there may be an increased incidence of certain cancers among the 98 million persons exposed to contaminated polio vaccine in the U.S.; further investigations are clearly justified.



Association between SV40 and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15202523/
Now leap, jump, and bound to link inactivated live-virus (traditional) vaccines to current mRNA vaccines.
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
None of that replaces the scientific evidence or is remotely as strong as that.
The paper posted definitely did dum dum
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
Link this paper please.
Post 4912 dum dum
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JLC like half the posts itt are by you. Why do you feel the need to spend so much time and energy defending something that you are so sure is true?
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Originally Posted By steeler505
JLC like half the posts itt are by you.
I don't think that's true
Why do you feel the need to spend so much time and energy defending something that you are so sure is true?
Others have used this "defending" tactic. But wat? What do you interpret as defense?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
That's what you asked

I get that when one uses an n of 1, under a frequentist paradigm, there is no variance for which to account when drawing inference. The validity of generalizing results obtained in such a design is suspect, but if that's what you learned, so be it.

However, in larger studies, ignoring the variance surrounding point estimates is invalid.

It's really pretty funny that, similar to the regression debacle, you're unaware of the silliness you've presented while trying to assume an air of authority
You said Covid vaccines don’t carry higher risk of myocarditis than flu vaccines. That’s a blatant lie. Sorry if having people call you on your lies bothers you so much.
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as much as I don't want to use this moron as an example (video) cause he is a complete shill but this video lol

also there is a british town that has put up defibrillators on every street now I can't find the video right now.




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Originally Posted By NextPound
The myocarditis stuff is so bs too. You guys act like it’s the end of the world. The percentage chance of just having an episode of myocarditis was something like 0.0007%.
Quite a bit more (although, while more than 7 out of a million, it's still a handful or so out of thousands - ie low chances).

Meanwhile, for any normal healthy person -- what are the risks of covid? Risks, mind you, the vaccine does not eliminate.

In so many cases (I'm not familiar with NextPound so not you specifically) but in many cases -- I never understood how the same people who schluff off the 2-3 in 1,000 who get myocd (which, btw, is only one of a few known bad side effects) are the same ones who shudder in abject horror at covid itself.

Personally -- I'm not one of the ones who demand the vaccines are death sentences and killing millions -- but at the same time nobody healthy gets much out of them and the risks of the vaccines are 100% up to you. You make that call whether you get subjected to it or not, unlike covid which may or may not happen. Why open yourself up to any risk, small or otherwise, repeatedly over and over (w/ necessary boosting) for no reward?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
You said Covid vaccines don’t carry higher risk of myocarditis than flu vaccines. That’s a blatant lie. Sorry if having people call you on your lies bothers you so much.
I shared evidence, so did you.

Perhaps interpretation isn't straightforward enough?

Look at the confidence intervals. They are very broad.

When compared with one another in a contrast, the rates are not different.

Read past the abstract, mane.

I posted direct quotes from the paper you shared in case you don't have access.


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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
Children were not "all but immune". Many children experienced MIS-C and other complications from the virus. Don't assume the virus must kill you to harm you.
Yeah, calling BS on that or a very broad interpretation of the word "Many". With less than 1,000 deaths of non-infants under the age of 19, let's not pretend that somehow children aren't dying but are being overwhelmed by the mysterious MIS-C side complications so quickly attributed to covid. If they're not dying, they're also not suffering the other non-fatal complications as much, either.

So, like other normal healthy people, the risk of covid is minimal and as rare as the side effects of the vaccine are, given they do not eliminate the complications or potential mortality of covid, it simply makes no sense statistically for some child with no major health issues to get vaccinated.

Again, we see the same people who laugh off or exaggerate the known side effects of the vaccine (ie. Oh Who Cares? 1 in 10 gazillion get heart problems?! HAHA Nothing!) react in terror of equally, or maybe even smaller, odds of danger from covid. Granny Diabetes recovering from chemo might be in danger of covid, but certainly not a normal healthy child -- which, btw, I also don't think the normal person is any dire risk of problems from vaccination, at least as far as we currently understand.
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Bump for JFC.
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If you're not getting paid then how do you explain your covid addiction?
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Originally Posted By JUSA
So, like other normal healthy people, the risk of covid is minimal and as rare as the side effects of the vaccine are, given they do not eliminate the complications or potential mortality of covid, it simply makes no sense statistically for some child with no major health issues to get vaccinated.

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This is not a given. The statistical evaluation was presented by jtaylor, although it seems he didn't realize what he was presenting
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
This is not a given. The statistical evaluation was presented by jtaylor, although it seems he didn't realize what he was presenting
So you agree with that evidence I shared which stated that Covid vaccines carry a greater risk than flu vaccines??
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
So you agree with that evidence I shared which stated that Covid vaccines carry a greater risk than flu vaccines??
No. This is becoming a Kreulian level of misunderstanding on your part
Originally Posted By J.L.C.
"Adverse effects have been associated with most, if not all, vaccinations that are used to protect against infectious diseases. Common adverse effects (frequency 1%-10%) associated with vaccination include short-lived discomfort at injection sites (reactogenic symptoms) and postvaccination flu-like symptoms (fever, chills, and myalgias). The risk of serious adverse effects after vaccination is very low with incidences typically less than 10 per 100 000 vaccine doses in most cases. Serious adverse effects associated with vaccinations include cardiac effects such as myocarditis and pericarditis and noncardiac effects such as anaphylaxis, febrile seizures, immune thrombocytopenia, encephalitis, meningitis, and Guillain-Barre syndrome. A recent analysis by the WHO identified 790 vaccine-related cases of myocarditis out of 5108 drug-induced myocarditis cases (15.5%) across 47 countries from 1967 to 2020.37 In 2010, there was an increase of myocarditis cases (n=294) after vaccination including 177 (60.2%) associated with smallpox, 72 (24.5%) with anthrax, and 48 (16.3%) with influenza.37 Another study estimated that the incidence of myocarditis following smallpox vaccination (13.2 per 100 000 vaccine doses) is much higher than the incidence following COVID-19 vaccination (Table S1; per 100 00 persons receiving the first 2 doses, median of 1.9 for BNT162b2, 3.5 for mRNA-1273), influenza vaccination (0.13 per 100 000 vaccine doses), or other non-small pox vaccinations (5.7 per 100 000 vaccine doses).38 Myocarditis following vaccination typically has a short time to onset (average of 10 days), low mortality, and often has pericardial involvement"


"No cases of myocarditis have been reported in vaccinated 0.5- to 5-year olds 90 Therefore, ongoing vaccination in this age group should prevent not only vaccine and infection induced myocarditis, but also MIS-C."

"Thus, when myocarditis risk in SARS-CoV-2 infection and mRNA vaccines are compared, including in the same studies to the same controls using the same methodology, the increased incidence rates compared to background are similar, with the median values for BNT162b2 (1.48 [N=3] or 2.47 [N=6]) and mRNA-1273 (6.25 [N=3] or 6.32 [N=4]) bracketing COVID-19 (3.52 [N=3])."

"Conclusions

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, therefore, recommends all persons 6 months and older receive the COVID-19 vaccine as the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the rare risk of myocarditis"
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
This is not a given. The statistical evaluation was presented by jtaylor, although it seems he didn't realize what he was presenting
Originally Posted By J.L.C.
No. This is becoming a Kreulian level of misunderstanding on your part
Originally Posted By J.L.C.
I shared evidence, so did you.

Perhaps interpretation isn't straightforward enough?

Look at the confidence intervals. They are very broad.

When compared with one another in a contrast, the rates are not different.

Read past the abstract, mane.

I posted direct quotes from the paper you shared in case you don't have access.


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Bump for JFC.
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If you're not getting paid then how do you explain your covid addiction?
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Originally Posted By NextPound
Having myocarditis is different than dying from myocarditis. Agree?

Not everyone who had myocarditis died. A huge majority of that 0.0007% just had it shortly after vaccination and then it went away on its own.

If you run that through the risk is way less than the 0.0007%, which is why you are not seeing people dying in the streets.
Mild, so just inflammation, that could/should go away. Actual damage to the heart though, that is something you're stuck with and will weigh on anyone for the rest of their lives. Do many people get mild inflammation from the vaccines? Probably, and the numbers dying are surely much lower, but I think it's quite more than 7 out of 1 million, more like 2-3 in thousands or tens of thousands. Low odds either way, one just an order or two exponentially more likely. However, I'm only somewhat sure of my number, I could be off. I'm not one of these guys super invested into this.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
No. This is becoming a Kreulian level of misunderstanding on your part
Yeah, but I don’t know how much more plainly I can put it. The link I posted(which you defended before) clearly states risk of myocarditis is higher from covid vaccines than from flu. If you disagree then perhaps you should write the site owners and take it up with them.


And from your quote above:

Another study estimated that the incidence of myocarditis following smallpox vaccination (13.2 per 100 000 vaccine doses) is much higher than the incidence following COVID-19 vaccination (Table S1; per 100 00 persons receiving the first 2 doses, median of1.9 for BNT162b2, 3.5 for mRNA-1273), influenza vaccination (0.13 per 100 000 vaccine doses), or other non-small pox vaccinations







I guess we’ll just have to give it a few years.
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