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01-15-2024, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You've gravitated away from meaningful debate, now it's just "Oh so you think Covid never killed anyone at all?!! WHAT. Everyone vaccinated is dead?? ORLY?" trying to put words in people's mouths, then if someone responds and puts some nuance or explanation to their stance you grossly misstate, you just ignore it.Which line(s)?
Just lol

Just lol

Btw, on Wincel saying unvaccinated are incubators for new variants:
Very dumb take. One, vaccination does not keep anyone from getting anything. They incubate just the same, and, if anything, if the vaccine has some temporary protective properties, someone vaccinated getting it, they would be a much greater incubator for new more vaccine-resistant variants. How does someone who is usually so very well-versed on subjects get that so wrong and just parrot broken propaganda? You want to look into this one on your own, if you even care about being right or not.
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01-15-2024, 11:32 PM
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Only one booster??? What the hell did he expect? He should be on his 5th by now!!!
And if he wasnt vaxxed, then he would have just died sooner. He should thank Pfizer for the extra 2.5 years that he got.
But sorry, there are no refunds.
And if he wasnt vaxxed, then he would have just died sooner. He should thank Pfizer for the extra 2.5 years that he got.
But sorry, there are no refunds.
01-16-2024, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
He doesn’t gravitate away from meaningful discussion because he was never engaged in it in the first place. All he does is troll, deflect, build strawmen, and sh!tpost. It’s always been known to an extent, but becomes even more apparent when you realize he does it even in threads where he agrees with the original post or theme of the thread. Take the red meat/diabetes thread. He sh!t posted about semantics for pages on end even though he agrees the study was absolutely trash. He has zero desire for meaningful conversation and all intentions of just irritating people. It’s entertaining sometimes just to quickly point out the flaws of his “views”(in quotation marks because it’s pretty likely he doesn’t even hold the views he argues for on here), but best to not take him seriously at all.You've gravitated away from meaningful debate, now it's just "Oh so you think Covid never killed anyone at all?!! WHAT. Everyone vaccinated is dead?? ORLY?" trying to put words in people's mouths, then if someone responds and puts some nuance or explanation to their stance you grossly misstate, you just ignore it.
Btw, on Wincel saying unvaccinated are incubators for new variants:
Very dumb take. One, vaccination does not keep anyone from getting anything. They incubate just the same, and, if anything, if the vaccine has some temporary protective properties, someone vaccinated getting it, they would be a much greater incubator for new more vaccine-resistant variants. How does someone who is usually so very well-versed on subjects get that so wrong and just parrot broken propaganda? You want to look into this one on your own, if you even care about being right or not.
Wincel doesn’t care about being right, or at least not in the since most people think when they hear that term. He is 100% completely and totally demoralized when it comes to this subject. And I think it shows just how effective the propaganda campaign has been, because on some other topics he’s shown the ability to be more nuanced.Very dumb take. One, vaccination does not keep anyone from getting anything. They incubate just the same, and, if anything, if the vaccine has some temporary protective properties, someone vaccinated getting it, they would be a much greater incubator for new more vaccine-resistant variants. How does someone who is usually so very well-versed on subjects get that so wrong and just parrot broken propaganda? You want to look into this one on your own, if you even care about being right or not.
01-16-2024, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩
And that's where you're wrong..Well for one i don't gloat nor do I make fun of other people's misery.
At the end of the day it's tour body to role the dice with. I could end up dying from covid and then you could gloat and say I told you so. But
You don't seem.like the type that gloats either.
At the end of the day it's tour body to role the dice with. I could end up dying from covid and then you could gloat and say I told you so. But
You don't seem.like the type that gloats either.
"Doctor"wincel here has had absolutely no problem saying all the people who refused the sacred Fauci Fluid injections should be rounded up an put into concentration camps and that he would happily celebrate their deaths.
Isn't that right....doctor

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01-16-2024, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
It's interesting how those who support the narrative can make things up without a comment nor concern from the crewYou've gravitated away from meaningful debate, now it's just "Oh so you think Covid never killed anyone at all?!! WHAT. Everyone vaccinated is dead?? ORLY?" trying to put words in people's mouths, then if someone responds and puts some nuance or explanation to their stance you grossly misstate, you just ignore it.

The paper demonstrates presence of spike in people with long covid.
Paul put it forward as "vaccines bad". My asking for clarification on how the claim is supported is moving away from meaningful debate?
Paul's approach is intellectually honest and in the interest of meaningful discussion?
Did you read the paper? Do you feel it supports Paul's claim?
It demonstrates risks and harms from infection, not vaccination. It's not a good paper.
Do you see where it says all healthy controls were vaccinated? Do you see where it says those vaccinated healthy control had spike circulating after 15 months? Where?
01-16-2024, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You really do, don't you. I mean you really really love the shiit out of it!I Heart Covid!


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01-16-2024, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
I think you have me confused with someone else broAnd that's where you're wrong..
"Doctor"wincel here has had absolutely no problem saying all the people who refused the sacred Fauci Fluid injections should be rounded up an put into concentration camps and that he would happily celebrate their deaths.
Isn't that right....doctor
"Doctor"wincel here has had absolutely no problem saying all the people who refused the sacred Fauci Fluid injections should be rounded up an put into concentration camps and that he would happily celebrate their deaths.
Isn't that right....doctor

And if you choose to gloat over other people's misery that is your misfortune.
Sounds like a great character trait to pass on.
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01-16-2024, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩
No, I was talking about the poster you were replying to, "Antifascist"I think you have me confused with someone else bro
And if you choose to gloat over other people's misery that is your misfortune.
Sounds like a great character trait to pass on.
And if you choose to gloat over other people's misery that is your misfortune.
Sounds like a great character trait to pass on.
We all know him as wincel - a known troll with literally dozens of alts who is not to be taken seriously in any discussion.
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01-16-2024, 06:39 AM
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At least he doesn’t have to worry about leaving behind a legacy as an “anti-vaxxer” in death. Lololol.
"The reason we are being murdered with genetic altering drugs is its slow acting and it causes your body to malfunction and destroy itself so there is a "plausible deniability" factor. Unlike most poisons which leave more evidence of being the direct cause of death."
1,151+ pages of peoples accounts of Covid-19 vaccine damage:
https://vestibular.org/forum/dizziness/covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Well, when you've been a frail, sorry sack of **** all your life, who was probably picked on by the kids in band camp, you have fantasies of being in power, and taking the lives of others.And that's where you're wrong..
"Doctor"wincel here has had absolutely no problem saying all the people who refused the sacred Fauci Fluid injections should be rounded up an put into concentration camps and that he would happily celebrate their deaths.
Isn't that right....doctor
"Doctor"wincel here has had absolutely no problem saying all the people who refused the sacred Fauci Fluid injections should be rounded up an put into concentration camps and that he would happily celebrate their deaths.
Isn't that right....doctor

Or you have other delusions of grander and claim that you have Olympic level genetics, a PHD, and make 200k a year.....
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
LMAO!! "Or" nothing - wincel has made all those claims before lol..Well, when you've been a frail, sorry sack of **** all your life, who was probably picked on by the kids in band camp, you have fantasies of being in power, and taking the lives of others.
Oryou have other delusions of grander and claim that you have Olympic level genetics, a PHD, and make 200k a year.....
Oryou have other delusions of grander and claim that you have Olympic level genetics, a PHD, and make 200k a year.....
Homebound incel, never had a job, lives with his dad because he can't function in life....And nowall of a sudden, PhD, two-minute half mile run time, and $200k a day CEO scientist. Impressive transformation is impressive.


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01-16-2024, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't know about you and Paul, I stopped following your debates when you showed bad faith with me personally, repeatedly.It's interesting...
In general, you pretend there was no overwhelming false narrative during the pandemic which grossly inflated what covid was and who was threatened by it. Then, and you've done this with me, when I simply point out what we now know in hindsight - you pretend I am taking some exaggerated hyperbolic position.
Then: Covid is killing 3% who get it, massive threat to the population, etc
Now: We know it primarily is killing elderly, sickly and obese
When I state this, you've played the, "So you don't think covid is a threat to anyone and never killed anyone and is not even real?????" load of horsechit.
Somehow, someone simply acknowledging howwrongpeople had it and then correctly restating the actual now known truth - that is highly offensive to you for some reason. And, if you want to play the game where you make up bullchit to attribute to people in an effort to diminish their actual beliefs, you have fun with that but don't then try and do as you did w/ that post and pretend you've been reasonable and objective about things the whole time.
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01-16-2024, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
He's a fuking shill bro.I don't know about you and Paul, I stopped following your debates when you showed bad faith with me personally, repeatedly.
In general, you pretend there was no overwhelming false narrative during the pandemic which grossly inflated what covid was and who was threatened by it. Then, and you've done this with me, when I simply point out what we now know in hindsight - you pretend I am taking some exaggerated hyperbolic position.
Then: Covid is killing 3% who get it, massive threat to the population, etc
Now: We know it primarily is killing elderly, sickly and obese
When I state this, you've played the, "So you don't think covid is a threat to anyone and never killed anyone and is not even real?????" load of horsechit.
Somehow, someone simply acknowledging howwrongpeople had it and then correctly restating the actual now known truth - that is highly offensive to you for some reason. And, if you want to play the game where you make up bullchit to attribute to people in an effort to diminish their actual beliefs, you have fun with thatbut don't then try and do as you did w/ that post and pretend you've been reasonable and objective about things the whole time.
In general, you pretend there was no overwhelming false narrative during the pandemic which grossly inflated what covid was and who was threatened by it. Then, and you've done this with me, when I simply point out what we now know in hindsight - you pretend I am taking some exaggerated hyperbolic position.
Then: Covid is killing 3% who get it, massive threat to the population, etc
Now: We know it primarily is killing elderly, sickly and obese
When I state this, you've played the, "So you don't think covid is a threat to anyone and never killed anyone and is not even real?????" load of horsechit.
Somehow, someone simply acknowledging howwrongpeople had it and then correctly restating the actual now known truth - that is highly offensive to you for some reason. And, if you want to play the game where you make up bullchit to attribute to people in an effort to diminish their actual beliefs, you have fun with thatbut don't then try and do as you did w/ that post and pretend you've been reasonable and objective about things the whole time.
Sent here bysomebodyfor the purpose of all covid - all the time. Refused to admit that he was being paid to shill for it though, but then just last week tried to allege that he was some sort of covid scientist or some shiit.
How TF else would you explain his sick obsession with it though?

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01-16-2024, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
You jumped in on the discussion between Paul and I and quoted my post to him.I don't know about you and Paul, I stopped following your debates when you showed bad faith with me personally, repeatedly.
In general, you pretend there was no overwhelming false narrative during the pandemic which grossly inflated what covid was and who was threatened by it. Then, and you've done this with me, when I simply point out what we now know in hindsight - you pretend I am taking some exaggerated hyperbolic position.
Then: Covid is killing 3% who get it, massive threat to the population, etc
Now: We know it primarily is killing elderly, sickly and obese
When I state this, you've played the, "So you don't think covid is a threat to anyone and never killed anyone and is not even real?????" load of horsechit.
Somehow, someone simply acknowledging howwrongpeople had it and then correctly restating the actual now known truth - that is highly offensive to you for some reason. And, if you want to play the game where you make up bullchit to attribute to people in an effort to diminish their actual beliefs, you have fun with that but don't then try and do as you did w/ that post and pretend you've been reasonable and objective about things the whole time.
In general, you pretend there was no overwhelming false narrative during the pandemic which grossly inflated what covid was and who was threatened by it. Then, and you've done this with me, when I simply point out what we now know in hindsight - you pretend I am taking some exaggerated hyperbolic position.
Then: Covid is killing 3% who get it, massive threat to the population, etc
Now: We know it primarily is killing elderly, sickly and obese
When I state this, you've played the, "So you don't think covid is a threat to anyone and never killed anyone and is not even real?????" load of horsechit.
Somehow, someone simply acknowledging howwrongpeople had it and then correctly restating the actual now known truth - that is highly offensive to you for some reason. And, if you want to play the game where you make up bullchit to attribute to people in an effort to diminish their actual beliefs, you have fun with that but don't then try and do as you did w/ that post and pretend you've been reasonable and objective about things the whole time.
So when someone who supports the narrative completely misrepresents a paper to support said narrative, that's considered good faith?
When someone who questions the narrative seeks clarification on the evidence presented in support, that person is making things up?
Evidence is not required by those who support the narrative.
Very specific evidence is required of those who question the narrative and any evidence presented is (ridiculously) rejected.
Seems odd to me. But okay

(Just lol)
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
People post that 80% of those who died were obese, majority were elderly with numerous prey existing conditions, and your reply?You jumped in on the discussion between Paul and I and quoted my post to him.
So when someone who supports the narrative completely misrepresents a paper to support said narrative, that's considered good faith?
When someone who questions the narrative seeks clarification on the evidence presented in support, that person is making things up?
Evidence is not required by those who support the narrative.
Very specific evidence is required of those who question the narrative and any evidence presented is (ridiculously) rejected.
Seems odd to me. But okay
(Just lol)
So when someone who supports the narrative completely misrepresents a paper to support said narrative, that's considered good faith?
When someone who questions the narrative seeks clarification on the evidence presented in support, that person is making things up?
Evidence is not required by those who support the narrative.
Very specific evidence is required of those who question the narrative and any evidence presented is (ridiculously) rejected.
Seems odd to me. But okay

(Just lol)
Hurr Durr show me the link......
BTW, it's been about two to three weeks since you fear mongered about the side effects of "LOOOOOOONG COVID!!!"
01-16-2024, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
But, any discussion of long covid requires supporting evidence, yeah?People post that 80% of those who died were obese, majority were elderly with numerous prey existing conditions, and your reply?
Hurr Durr show me the link......
BTW, it's been about two to three weeks since you fear mongered about the side effects of "LOOOOOOONG COVID!!!"
Hurr Durr show me the link......
BTW, it's been about two to three weeks since you fear mongered about the side effects of "LOOOOOOONG COVID!!!"
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
And preferably better evidence than someone on an internet survey(with zero data validation) saying they had a headache 2 years after they got covid.But, any discussion of long covid requires supporting evidence, yeah?
Everyone knows the average age of someone who dies from covid is old as fukk cuz. Don’t really need a link to confirm what everyone already knows.
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Originally Posted By Antifascist⏩
Why did this actor die again?Vaccination reduces convalescence time. So, no. You really are an incubator. Also, the vaccines are designed in response to circulating strains, and the mutation chances would increase with time spent sick, so the "selection" argument is moot. Mass vaccination minimizes the risk of mutation. People extremely well versed in the subject, who teach it for a living and do research and who you had no problem with for decades until your favorite political leaders made a stink about it, recommend vaccination. Even your favorite president recommended vaccination.
01-16-2024, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Right.And preferably better evidence than someone on an internet survey(with zero data validation) saying they had a headache 2 years after they got covid.
But, any introduction of additional/newer support is handily dismissed without review.
If someone says "look this study shows vaccinated people have spike in their blood after 12 months - it's in this paper!". It's perfectly fine that the claim is not at all addressed within the paper. All that matters is that the poster supports the narrative.
Any concerns about the paper used to support the claim? Nope!
Just lol

01-16-2024, 01:19 PM
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01-16-2024, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
Nah, bro, the hydrogel nanomachines in the vaxx made him shoot himself against his own will.So covid took a gun to his head and shot him. And arranged the scene to look like a suicide.
Damn thing's really mutated.
Damn thing's really mutated.
Probably got him drunk and drugged up too. It's the perfect murder.
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01-16-2024, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
"Alec Musser's cause of death revealed: All My Children star and fitness model died by suicide from a self-inflicted gunshot aged 50"https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...202457918.html

Details of death are not in the article, oddly enough, but it's being said by those close to him - covid. Keep in mind SAG made vaccinations and being up to date on boosters mandatory if you want to work, so it's also strongly likely he was vaccinated and up to date on boosters.
Safe and effective?
Details of death are not in the article, oddly enough, but it's being said by those close to him - covid. Keep in mind SAG made vaccinations and being up to date on boosters mandatory if you want to work, so it's also strongly likely he was vaccinated and up to date on boosters.
Safe and effective?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...d-suicide.html
What did you mean by "safe and effective"?
Something about guns?
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Suicide.Why did this actor die again?
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All My Children' star Alec Musser died by suicide — not COVID
Soap star was found 'slumped over on their bathroom floor ... with a firearm near him as well,' TMZ reports
https://canoe.com/entertainment/cele...a-347558714f97
Soap star was found 'slumped over on their bathroom floor ... with a firearm near him as well,' TMZ reports
https://canoe.com/entertainment/cele...a-347558714f97
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Originally Posted By WetCoaster⏩
Wonder how the rumor got out? I bit on it well enough, although did note it was speculation, still I'll own to jumping prematurely to things to the degree I did (which, this thread, it's title about it being 'likely' and such). OP has been updated with correction.All My Children' star Alec Musser died by suicide — not COVID
Soap star was found 'slumped over on their bathroom floor ... with a firearm near him as well,' TMZ reports
https://canoe.com/entertainment/cele...a-347558714f97
Soap star was found 'slumped over on their bathroom floor ... with a firearm near him as well,' TMZ reports
https://canoe.com/entertainment/cele...a-347558714f97
What's crazy, the article you link goes out of it's way to mention it's not covid, so that rumor was fairly wide spread - allegedly the guy's fiancé, maybe just trying to cover for his death and made something up about covid?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Paper shows circulation of spike protein in vaccinated for over a year..I also posted a follow up paper by the same author showing the same.(4 months, & worsening as time goes by)But keep lying, at this point you have become comical.It's interesting how those who support the narrative can make things up without a comment nor concern from the crew
The paper demonstrates presence of spike in people with long covid.
Paul put it forward as "vaccines bad". My asking for clarification on how the claim is supported is moving away from meaningful debate?
Paul's approach is intellectually honest and in the interest of meaningful discussion?
Did you read the paper? Do you feel it supports Paul's claim?
It demonstrates risks and harms from infection, not vaccination. It's not a good paper.
Do you see where it says all healthy controls were vaccinated? Do you see where it says those vaccinated healthy control had spike circulating after 15 months? Where?

The paper demonstrates presence of spike in people with long covid.
Paul put it forward as "vaccines bad". My asking for clarification on how the claim is supported is moving away from meaningful debate?
Paul's approach is intellectually honest and in the interest of meaningful discussion?
Did you read the paper? Do you feel it supports Paul's claim?
It demonstrates risks and harms from infection, not vaccination. It's not a good paper.
Do you see where it says all healthy controls were vaccinated? Do you see where it says those vaccinated healthy control had spike circulating after 15 months? Where?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36548397/
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Same goes for SV40 in the vaccine, we all know the relation between cancer & SV40 at this point..so why is it in the vaccines?
PfizerVector from an EMA document.

PfizerVector from an EMA document.
01-16-2024, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
I guess posting a different paper and ignoring what you posted initially is considered intellectually honest.Paper shows circulation of spike protein in vaccinated for over a year..I also posted a follow up paper by the same author showing the same.(4 months, & worsening as time goes by)But keep lying, at this point you have become comical.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36548397/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36548397/
Also, the one you just posted is about class-switching. It does not report on presence of (viral or vaccine-encoded) spike over time. It reports on antibody titres.
#GoodFaith

Just lol
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