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Thread: Former Head of NIH, Francis Collins, now says lab leak theory NOT a conspiracy theory

post 1696523663 01-17-2024, 10:48 AM
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Exposure to true information does not matter anymore.

A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information.

The facts tell nothing to him.

Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures.
Even if I take him by force to the Wuhan Lab, and show him the research,
he will refuse to believe it, until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom.

When the spike protein crushes his heart, then he will understand, but not before that.
That is the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.
post 1696523773 01-17-2024, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
True. However, look into the details. The sewuences they eere working with were extremely different from SARS-CoV-2. There is no way the wild type strain evolved from anything publicly known from that lab. It would need to have been an entirely different line of secret research. Is it possible? Yeah. Is it likely? I don't think so. Nobody knew about the properties of the sequence used in SARS-CoV-2 in public literature. It really came out of nowhere, at least in public scientific terms. Could the Chinese military have been working on something secretly in tandem? Sure. But is it likely? No.
Nov 2019, Daszak tweeted that they already had 50 plus novel SARS-like sequences or strains that had never been published.

And yes, it is highly likely that the Chinese military were working on something secretly in tandem.
post 1696523793 01-17-2024, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
True. However, look into the details. The sequences they were working with were extremely different from SARS-CoV-2. There is no way the wild type strain evolved from anything publicly known from that lab. It would need to have been an entirely different line of secret research. Is it possible? Yeah. Is it likely? I don't think so. Nobody knew about the properties of the sequence used in SARS-CoV-2 in public literature. It really came out of nowhere, at least in public scientific terms. Could the Chinese military have been working on something secretly in tandem? Sure. But is it likely? No.
I don't have the time to go looking for it, but gwg will have it somewhere: several hundred sequences were deleted.

There is no straight line evidentiary trail for any cause, but the greatest amount of circumstantial evidence and the highest probabilty, at this point, is leak.
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post 1696523913 01-17-2024, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Nov 2019, Daszak tweeted that they already had 50 plus novel SARS-like sequences or strains that had never been published.

And yes, it is highly likely that the Chinese military were working on something secretly in tandem.
And it really doesn’t even matter in terms of how we should think about the CCP’s culpability in this. Bioweapon, rogue research gone wrong, whatever. We KNOW they lied about the spread of Covid and allowed people to travel outside of the country (but not within it) from Wuhan.
post 1696523983 01-17-2024, 10:54 AM
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Reminder that fauci participated in setting this lab up and then spread lies that got people killed

Libs keep hitching their wagons to some real winners
“It’s the bill of rights, not the bill of requests. Rights are not up for negotiations.” Thomas Massie, MAGA enemy #1
post 1696524013 01-17-2024, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
So again, we're back at a situation where now there was an entirely secret line of research being done, and somehow, the brilliant Chinese military came up with a totally novel sequence to do what they wanted without it ever having been brought up in any public literature.
No, something got cooked up in the lab and lax safety procedures let it out. There is nothing “brilliant” or planned here. Why the hell would they let it out in the middle of China?
post 1696524093 01-17-2024, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted By Mountaineer92⏩
bodhy cant even admit he was wrong on this lmao.


get fked tranny chit smearing kunt
Ooooof
post 1696524163 01-17-2024, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
And it really doesn’t even matter in terms of how we should think about the CCP’s culpability in this. Bioweapon, rogue research gone wrong, whatever. We KNOW they lied about the spread of Covid and allowed people to travel outside of the country (but not within it) from Wuhan.
They deleted their database of sequences prior to Covid. They wouldn't share anything with the WHO investigators who came to inspect the lab and refuse to let anyone properly investigate. They rebuffed on the WHO's attempt to come back for a second time.

But, if anyone is as dumb as wincel, we should all assume they are on the level and assume no wrongdoing.
post 1696524243 01-17-2024, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Nov 2019, Daszak tweeted that they already had 50 plus novel SARS-like sequences or strains that had never been published.

And yes, it is highly likely that the Chinese military were working on something secretly in tandem.
Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
How did they come up with this novel sequence out of nowhere?
^^^
post 1696524443 01-17-2024, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
None of which resembled this one though.

Why would China reneg on the BWC knowing full well the chitstorm it would bring upon them? what's the incentive of engaging in a bioweapons arms race with the US? Do you think China benefits from this? Real life isn't a James Bond movie. It isn't in China's interest to do this.
It wasn’t planned ffs. Why would they purposefully release this in the middle of China?
post 1696524473 01-17-2024, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
None of which resembled this one though.

Why would China reneg on the BWC knowing full well the chitstorm it would bring upon them? What's the incentive of engaging in a bioweapons arms race with the US? Do you think China benefits from this? Real life isn't a James Bond movie. It isn't in China's interest to do this.
How would you know? They were never published.

You and your whole family needs to be deported back to China.

Fuсk off, retard.
post 1696524623 01-17-2024, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
You do know you're "arguing" with wincel, right?
Fair point. But other non-Wincel types still buy this. And I don’t get it. We know China covered it up - whatever the origins - that should be all we need to condemn them.
post 1696524783 01-17-2024, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
You're saying the research to make such a weapon was planned. So China knowingly violated the BWC even though that would go against their own interests.
Quote me where I said it was an intentional weapon.
post 1696524843 01-17-2024, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
What exactly did they cover up? They even sent us the damn sequence of covid right after they got it. We can credit them with how we were able to make a vaccine so fast. Which, again, you guys don't think matters.
Going to need a link for that one.
post 1696524923 01-17-2024, 11:13 AM
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I'll take a very simply guess at what happened, as it explains everything.

After getting told no by DARPA, ecohealth alliance didn't just decide "ok, fine, we won't do this research". I think they went and got funding from the Chinese military.

Some fkwit, with inadequate training, fked up and there was a leak.

Everything that followed, was an attempt to cover up the fact that the chinese military funded project diffuse.
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post 1696525083 01-17-2024, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
That kind of secret military research would be banned under BWC.
I never once said it was weapons research.
post 1696525283 01-17-2024, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
Are you disputing they sent us the sequence for covid? Google it. It is public record and a matter of history.
You said it, prove it. I’m especially interested in your take on “they send us the DNA sequence as soon as they got it.”

Says who? The CCP who literally had scientists there murdered for talking about it?

And please, don’t whataboutism some sht about America not being perfect.
post 1696525623 01-17-2024, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
What exactly did they cover up?They even sent us the damn sequence of covid right after they got it.We can credit them with how we were able to make a vaccine so fast. Which, again, you guys don't think matters because you think the vaccines are some evil conspiracy too.

They also warned us it was airborne, but we didn't listen.
Post did not age well. WSJ published this today. China sat on it for two weeks.





https://www.wsj.com/politics/nationa...-show-9bca8865
post 1696526043 01-17-2024, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
What an incredible way to spin it. They gave us the sequence. This is a country our own political leaders like Ted Cruz have vowed to destroy economically. They didn't have to give us anything. And now, you're complaining they didn't give it to you quickly enough? I'm done. Kill yourself. Fuk the WSJ and fuk you.

Fuking deplorables.
"The lead time could have proved critical in combating pandemic, specialists say"



Wincel just got REKT.



Commie filth needs to get deported. You're not even American.







post 1696526533 01-17-2024, 11:34 AM
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WSJ article:
WASHINGTON—Chinese researchers isolated and mapped the virus that causes Covid-19 in late December 2019, at least two weeks before Beijing revealed details of the deadly virus to the world, congressional investigators said, raising questions anew about what China knew in the pandemic’s crucial early days.

Documents obtained from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services by a House committee and reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show that a Chinese researcher in Beijing uploaded a nearly complete sequence of the virus’s structure to a U.S. government-run database on Dec. 28, 2019. Chinese officials at that time were still publicly describing the disease outbreak in Wuhan, China, as a viral pneumonia “of unknown cause” and had yet to close the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, site of one of the initial Covid-19 outbreaks.

China only shared the virus’s sequence with the World Health Organization on Jan. 11, 2020, according to U.S. government timelines of the pandemic.

The new information doesn’t shed light on the debate over whether Covid emerged from an infected animal or a lab leak, but it suggests that the world still doesn’t have a full accounting of the pandemic’s origin.

The extra two weeks could have proved crucial in helping the international medical community pinpoint how Covid-19 spread, develop medical defenses and get started on an eventual vaccine, specialists have said. In late 2019, scientists and governments worldwide were racing to understand the mystery disease eventually named Covid-19 that would kill millions and sicken many more.

It “underscores how cautious we have to be about the accuracy of the information that the Chinese government has released,” said Jesse Bloom,a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle who has reviewed the documents and the recently discovered gene sequence. “It’s important to keep in mind how little we know.”

The Chinese researcher who submitted the virus sequence, Dr. Lili Ren of the Beijing-based Institute of Pathogen Biology, didn’t respond to an email seeking comment.The institute is part of the state-affiliated Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences.
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On a related note, has anybody seen the news about thenewcoronavirus that China has created? It attacks the brain and results in 100% fatality in mice.
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post 1696527103 01-17-2024, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
On a related note, has anybody seen the news about thenewcoronavirus that China has created? It attacks the brain and results in 100% fatality in mice.
Yeah, read about it last night.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Yeah, read about it last night.
But, there isno waythat they could have created covid. Honest.
Screw nature; my body will do what I DAMN WELL tell it to do!

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post 1696527603 01-17-2024, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted By PreeFalestine⏩
What an incredible way to spin it. They gave us the sequence. This is a country our own political leaders like Ted Cruz have vowed to destroy economically. They didn't have to give us anything. And now, you're complaining they didn't give it to you quickly enough? I'm done. Kill yourself. Fuk the WSJ and fuk you.

Fuking deplorables.
man you get very angry when China is made to look bad. Why is that?
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Originally Posted By DuracellBunny⏩
But, there isno waythat they could have created covid. Honest.
Just a conspiracy theory bro
Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
man you get very angry when China is made to look bad. Why is that?
He's a Chinaman and a commie.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Just a conspiracy theory bro



He's a Chinaman and a commie.
He is a Chinaman that lives in terrible America instead of his beloved China? Why would that be?
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We already knew that.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
He is a Chinaman that lives in terrible America instead of his beloved China? Why would that be?
Dunno

Needs to be deported asap. Srs.
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BREAKING: Chinese lab had COVID-19 mapped two weeks before global outbreak - WSJ

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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
man you get very angry when China is made to look bad. Why is that?
He's becoming unhinged again.....
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