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Thread: Trust the Science: EXPERTS in the AAP, "Give kids Ozempic!"

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's a weird story to invent.

Who suggested ozempic is a vaccine?

Anyone with common sense knows this shouldn't be given to teens, and that the majority of people taking it, shouldn't be taking it.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Anyone with common sense knows this shouldn't be given to teens, and that the majority of people taking it, shouldn't be taking it.
The trial data and approval suggest otherwise.

Nobody has suggested Ozempic for teens, in general.
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Originally Posted By d3th2trump⏩
Pretty sure Ozempic has to be prescribed by a doctor, and the only ones it would be prescribed for are largely diabetic and highly obese people. It's not for everyone, and it isn't something you just take for funsies. Maybe stick to being a deadbeat cop or go to medical school if you want to argue with doctors about chit, retard.
Riiiight, that's why so many people are taking it throughout the country......

Christ, you're another one Wincel, you're not naive, you're not ignorant, you're just stupid.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The trial data and approval suggest otherwise.

Nobody has suggested Ozempic for teens, in general.
Tell us why losing muscle mass and bone density is a good thing. Tell us why all the negative side effects are a good thing. Tell us why when someone stops taking it, they regain the weight being a good thing.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's a weird story to invent.
Post history speaks for itself.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Who suggested ozempic is a vaccine?

I'm not aware that anyone did.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Tell us why losing muscle mass and bone density is a good thing. Tell us why all the negative side effects are a good thing. Tell us why when someone stops taking it, they regain the weight being a good thing.
You haven't yet shared why you think 30% of weight lost is bone and muscle -for everyone

Of course losing muscle mass and bone density are not good.

However, suggesting these effects are universal and without any possible mitigation strategies seems disingenuous.

Of course negative side effects are not good.

I would say that's why these decisions should be made with critical evaluation of the case, and the assistance of a professional, to weigh the risks against the benefits.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Post history speaks for itself.



I'm not aware that anyone did.
So post was just a non sequitur?

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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Lol. I always get a kick out of you dumb phaqgots. Remember what I eat, phaqgot? You phaqgots make fun of it all the time, yet no one is able to sneak HFCS into elite vegetables, son.
Good luck with your pesticide consumption 2024 goals!
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Why do people still engage with that ******* JLC?? For all we know, he disagrees with giving teens ozempic and his only goal in this thread is to troll people. He did the exact same thing in the meat consumption linked to diabetes thread. Exactly zero percent desire to have meaningful discussion and 100 percent desire to just troll. The fact people even interact with him at all kind of blows my mind.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Good luck with your pesticide consumption 2024 goals!
Elite vegetables are grown without pesticides, son.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
So post was just a non sequitur?

I still have not seen you post anything to maintaining healthy living/lifestyle...I've only seen you defend vaccines and Pharmaceutical drugs.

Why is that, especially on a forum like this?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You haven't yet shared why you think 30% of weight lost is bone and muscle -for everyone

Of course losing muscle mass and bone density are not good.

However, suggesting these effects are universal and without any possible mitigation strategies seems disingenuous.

Of course negative side effects are not good.

I would say that's why these decisions should be made with critical evaluation of the case, and the assistance of a professional, to weigh the risks against the benefits.
This is what you're supporting.

Ozempic Can Cause Major Loss of Muscle Mass and Reduce Bone Density

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...scle-mass-loss

Weight-loss drugs like Ozempic and Wegovy may be risky for older people because they melt away all-important muscles, experts say

https://fortune.com/well/2023/09/27/...eople-over-65/

On stopping the drug, many people regain weight in the form of fat. This leaves them with net muscle loss.

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-an...0230718-p5dp5w
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In an 18-month trial, patients receiving Ozempic lost about eight kilograms of fat and about five kilograms of muscle.

And here’s the twist. Because they lost more fat than muscle, their lean mass relative to fat mass increased by 3 per cent. This was positive.

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-an...0230718-p5dp5w
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Originally Posted By Paul
I still have not seen you post anything to maintaining healthy living/lifestyle...I've only seen you defend vaccines and Pharmaceutical drugs.

Why is that, especially on a forum like this?
You need to up your stalking and post-mining game

Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
In an 18-month trial, patients receiving Ozempic lost about eight kilograms of fat and about five kilograms of muscle.

And here’s the twist. Because they lost more fat than muscle, their lean mass relative to fat mass increased by 3 per cent. This was positive.

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-an...0230718-p5dp5w
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
This is what you're supporting.

Ozempic Can Cause Major Loss of Muscle Mass and Reduce Bone Density

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...scle-mass-loss

Weight-loss drugs like Ozempic and Wegovy may be risky for older people because they melt away all-important muscles, experts say

https://fortune.com/well/2023/09/27/...eople-over-65/

On stopping the drug, many people regain weight in the form of fat. This leaves them with net muscle loss.

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-an...0230718-p5dp5w
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You haven't yet shared why you think 30% of weight lost is bone and muscle -for everyone

Of course losing muscle mass and bone density are not good.

However, suggesting these effects are universal and without any possible mitigation strategies seems disingenuous.
"clinical trials involving the new drugs — indicate that physical activity is still an essential part of someone’s overall health plan."

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...taking-ozempic


Physical activity in the new era of antiobesity medication

"Physical activity may attenuate the loss of lean mass that is observed with AOM treatments and may enhance the quality and function of muscle. Physical activity is a key behavior for holistic health within this era of contemporary AOMs that warrants appropriate attention within the clinical care of patients."

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.23930
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Why do people still engage with that ******* JLC??
The fact people even interact with him at all kind of blows my mind.
Not everyone is afraid of taking intellectual risks
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You need to up your stalking and post-mining game
Nothing you posted relates to what I stated, strong strawman

99% of the time..you respond to me, then you lie and deflect. It gets old
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Originally Posted By Paul
Nothing you posted relates to what I stated, strong strawman

99% of the time..you respond to me, then you lie and deflect. It gets old
I responded to multiple posts in a single reply.

I have posted plenty about working out over the years. If you're that interested in what I talk about, do a better job of tracking my activity over the 20 years I've been on here.

You post nonsense, but I ain't mad atcha
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I responded to multiple posts in a single reply.

I have posted plenty about working out over the years. If you're that interested in what I talk about, do a better job of tracking my activity over the 20 years I've been on here.

You post nonsense, but I ain't mad atcha
Have never seen a post of yours in the last few years about working out.

You post false information, and then try to re-direct threads..like I stated..it gets old
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Originally Posted By Paul
Have never seen a post of yours in the last few years about working out.

You post false information, and then try to re-direct threads..like I stated..it gets old
You have options if you don't like what I post

This thread is about OP being upset that Ozempic has been approved as an option for morbidly obese teens.

I shared the source material on the trials and FDA decision
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You have options if you don't like what I post

This thread is about OP being upset that Ozempic has been approved as an option for morbidly obese teens.

I shared the source material on the trials and FDA decision
Love the lying.

"This thread is the OP upset and screaming that ONLY morbidly grossly hugely overweight teens are getting life saving treatments!!!!" -JLC making chit up

Stop making up chit, lying and putting words in my mouth, thank you. Can you do that? I do not think you are capable of such a simple request. That's not in you. You are simply not capable of that low level of basic integrity and honesty, are you?

Shill.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Love the lying.

"This thread is the OP upset and screaming that ONLY morbidly grossly hugely overweight teens are getting life saving treatments!!!!" -JLC making chit up

Stop making up chit, lying and putting words in my mouth, thank you. Can you do that? I do not think you are capable of such a simple request. That's not in you. You are simply not capable of that low level of basic integrity and honesty, are you?

Shill.
Kinda weird to post an actual quote and a fake quote along with it.

A drug was approved. It would appear you got upset about the approval without reviewing any of the pertinent information.

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You have options if you don't like what I post

This thread is about OP being upset that Ozempic has been approved as an option for morbidly obese teens.

I shared the source material on the trials and FDA decision
And I shared the FDA's warning and side effects of the drug. Just because something is approved, does not make it safe. It's a corrupt industry..

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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Love the lying.

"This thread is the OP upset and screaming that ONLY morbidly grossly hugely overweight teens are getting life saving treatments!!!!" -JLC making chit up

Stop making up chit, lying and putting words in my mouth, thank you. Can you do that? I do not think you are capable of such a simple request. That's not in you. You are simply not capable of that low level of basic integrity and honesty, are you?

Shill.
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Originally Posted By Paul
And I shared the FDA's warning and side effects of the drug. Just because something is approved, does not make it safe. It's a corrupt industry..

But Ozempic isn't a Pfizer nor Moderna product

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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Utah, what kind of diabetic meds do you take, son?
None, my blood A1C was very good last time I checked. I forget, but below 5.7

However, I do have a SIL who is a type 2 diabetic. I've seen her over the years being treated with insulin shots, metformin and recently, ozempic. In her case, she is a rare case where she is not responding to other treatments. I see how she eats (it's generally clean), but whatever she does her blood glucose skyrockets. Save with ozempic, that is recent but does seem to be working.

Which, for someone who is doing the right things like eating right, who is not responding to other traditional treatments, in this rare case: Ozempic might be a very good thing, which is exactly what it was created for. The problem, greedy executives saw that a side-effect was massive weight loss - and here we are.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
But Ozempic isn't a Pfizer nor Moderna product

The meme was showcasing the corruption in the field...specifically Pharma ties to FDA..but don't worry, Pfizer is coming out with their version of Ozempic as well if that makes you feel better
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
None, my blood A1C was very good last time I checked. I forget, but below 5.7

However, I do have a SIL who is a type 2 diabetic. I've seen her over the years being treated with insulin shots, metformin and recently, ozempic. In her case, she is a rare case where she is not responding to other treatments. I see how she eats (it's generally clean), but whatever she does her blood glucose skyrockets. Save with ozempic, that is recent but does seem to be working.

Which, for someone who is doing the right things like eating right, who is not responding to other traditional treatments, in this rare case: Ozempic might be a very good thing, which is exactly what it was created for. The problem, greedy executives saw that a side-effect was massive weight loss - and here we are.
Do you think it's odd that you're upset about a medication being approved that has directly benefited someone you know?
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Good watch..

Ozempic: How These Affect Weight Loss & Metabolic Health | Dr. Rob Lustig & Dr. Casey Means

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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
None, my blood A1C was very good last time I checked. I forget, but below 5.7

However, I do have a SIL who is a type 2 diabetic. I've seen her over the years being treated with insulin shots, metformin and recently, ozempic. In her case, she is a rare case where she is not responding to other treatments. I see how she eats (it's generally clean), but whatever she does her blood glucose skyrockets. Save with ozempic, that is recent but does seem to be working.

Which, for someone who is doing the right things like eating right, who is not responding to other traditional treatments, in this rare case: Ozempic might be a very good thing, which is exactly what it was created for. The problem, greedy executives saw that a side-effect was massive weight loss - and here we are.
Do these fatties also have diabetes?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You need to up your stalking and post-mining game









"clinical trials involving the new drugs — indicate that physical activity is still an essential part of someone’s overall health plan."

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...taking-ozempic


Physical activity in the new era of antiobesity medication

"Physical activity may attenuate the loss of lean mass that is observed with AOM treatments and may enhance the quality and function of muscle. Physical activity is a key behavior for holistic health within this era of contemporary AOMs that warrants appropriate attention within the clinical care of patients."

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.23930



Not everyone is afraid of taking intellectual risks
Hurr Durr, if you starve yourself, but still workout, it should be fine......
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Do you think it's odd that you're upset about a medication being approved that has directly benefited someone you know?
Why do you keep saying I am upset?
Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Do these fatties also have diabetes?
Who? I mean, type 2 is directly a result of diet/lifestyle. Someone may have a genetic disposition to be more inclined to get it, but bad diets will always be at the root of it.
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