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post 1697448233 02-05-2024, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
And your contention is that these are not addicts dying, but people like yourself that decided "since it's decriminalized, might as well take some fetty," eh, son?
I’m saying that decriminalization has contributed to the increase in overdoses and deaths. Do you disagree?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
I’m saying that decriminalization has contributed to the increase in overdoses and deaths. Do you disagree?
Are you saying overdoses and deaths are not increasing in areas that are not decriminalized?

Washington had double the amount of overdose deaths than Oregon had in 2023.
The increase in deaths from 2022 to 2023 was 40% in Washington; the increase in deaths from 2022 to 2023 in Oregon was 38%.
Nevada had a higher increase in deaths than Oregon did from 2022 to 2023.

More than half the states in America have had an increase in overdose deaths from 2022 to 2023.

With that said, have you figured out what the real problem is yet, son?
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Are you saying overdoses and deaths are not increasing in areas that are not decriminalized?

Washington had double the amount of overdose deaths than Oregon had in 2023.
The increase in deaths from 2022 to 2023 was 40% in Washington; the increase in deaths from 2022 to 2023 in Oregon was 38%.
Nevada had a higher increase in deaths than Oregon did from 2022 to 2023.

More than half the states in America have had an increase in overdose deaths from 2022 to 2023.

With that said, have you figured out what the real problem is yet, son?
Lmao….cot damn that’s a potato take.





Analogy. NYC goes super soft on crime and makes changes to system which result in violent offenders immediately being dumped back out onto the street. Violent crime rates go up. Then someone goes “omg retard, violent crime is going up in other places too so that can’t be a contributing factor for NYC!!”.




Yeah, you sound that dumb.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Lmao….cot damn that’s a potato take.





Analogy. NYC goes super soft on crime and makes changes to system which result in violent offenders immediately being dumped back out onto the street. Violent crime rates go up. Then someone goes “omg retard, violent crime is going up in other places too so that can’t be a contributing factor for NYC!!”.




Yeah, you sound that dumb.
Okay. Let's start over, son. Explain why there are other states whose overdose deaths have increased when it's your contention that decriminalization is the only reason why overdose deaths increase.

Your NY analogy proves my point: when druggies don't get have to go through the system, they're out on the streets visibly doing drugs, hence why visibility is higher.
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Okay. Let's start over, son. Explain why there are other states whose overdose deaths have increased when it's your contention that decriminalization is the only reason why overdose deaths increase.

Your NY analogy proves my point: when druggies don't get have to go through the system, they're out on the streets visibly doing drugs, hence why visibility is higher.
So because you got rekt, you must build a strawman and try again. Where did I say it’s the only reason they increase??


Apology accepted.















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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
So because you got rekt, you must build a strawman and try again. Where did I say it’s the only reason they increase??


Apology accepted.


Son
The only reason for the increase inOregon, son. If you didn't feel that way, then there would be no difference between Oregon and any other state since all states have increased and the only difference between every other increased state and Oregon is the legality. Get it now, son?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
At the state level, Oregon lawmakers have introduced a new bill that would undo a key part of the state’s drug decriminalization law. Public opinion has soured on it as public drug use has become more visible because of growing homelessness.
Lmao.

B-b-but z4v4 knows better!



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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Lmao.

B-b-but z4v4 knows better!
Oh, lookie, it's:






Yes. I know better. The change being made is to confiscate personal amounts so that druggies such as yourself will hide their usage so their drugs don't get confiscated.
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
The only reason for the increase inOregon, son. If you didn't feel that way, then there would be no difference between Oregon and any other state since all states have increased and the only difference between every other increased state and Oregon is the legality. Get it now, son?
Ok, where did I say it’s the only reason in Oregon?? I said it’s A reason, and pointed out their policieS have continued to the problem.


But again, perhaps you should write the citizens and legislators in that area and tell them they’re completely wrong in thinking that approach helped contribute to more problems.



Just lol, give it up















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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Ok, where did I say it’s the only reason in Oregon?? I said it’s A reason, and pointed out their policieS have continued to the problem.


But again, perhaps you should write the citizens and legislators in that area and tell them they’re completely wrong in thinking that approach helped contribute to more problems.



Just lol, give it up















Son
Ah, okay, so you have no evidence that the increase in overdoses and death are the result of decriminalization (as you had asserted earlier). Glad that's settled, son.

The only reason they're trying to change the law is because people are openly doing it front of everyone. That's it. Has nothing to do with the increase, as other states have increased even more. Now you know, son.
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PDX brah here: the emergency deflation doesn’t actually mean or do anything, is just political BS. I was over on the East side last night and still glad I live on the west side, would never live in Multnomah county it’s where most of the crime and homelessness is.
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Dems plan is working perfectly.

make the place a ****hole so normal thinking people up and leave.

The only ones left are the ones who will always vote for democrats.
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I live right next to Portland, I used to go downtown all the time back in 2014-15 but by 2018 downtown wasn't worth visiting. After BLM riots and lockdowns, it became a wasteland. What almost nobody is covering is how Antifa operates like a mafia and threatens businesses and government officials and even cops into giving them what they want.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Lmao….cot damn that’s a potato take.

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real talk. if z4v4's numbers are true, it does prove his point.

not sure why its a potato take. its literal data.

overdoses are up everywhere, so why focus on just "where its decriminalized".

whats the real reason???
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Originally Posted By bicmane123⏩
real talk. if z4v4's numbers are true, it does prove his point.

not sure why its a potato take. its literal data.

overdoses are up everywhere, so why focus on just "where its decriminalized".

whats the real reason???
The state is dealing with the largest increase in synthetic overdose deaths in the country and the third highest of all overdose deaths






“But hey guys, just because they’re dealing with the largest increase in the country, we shouldn’t consider what they’re doing different that may be contributing to such a large increase. Afterall, it’s going up in other places as well”.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
The state is dealing with the largest increase in synthetic overdose deaths in the country and the third highest of all overdose deaths

“But hey guys, just because they’re dealing with the largest increase in the country, we shouldn’t consider what they’re doing different that may be contributing to such a large increase. Afterall, it’s going up in other places as well”.
i dont know the numbers.

but is the increase significant compared to states that haven't decriminalized drugs in 2023?

sounds like something you know?
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Originally Posted By bicmane123⏩
real talk. if z4v4's numbers are true, it does prove his point.

not sure why its a potato take. its literal data.

overdoses are up everywhere, so why focus on just "where its decriminalized".
Exactly. Overdose increases in a few states is higher than where it's decriminalized. That's not to suggest that Oregon decriminalizing it made their increases lower than those state - my guess is those states were higher before Oregon decriminalized.

What's higher in Oregon post-decriminalization is addicts don't give a shiit if people see them do it because they won't be arrested, so they shoot up right in front of families and shiit. The new law that will pass will cite them with a misdemeanor ticket and confiscation of the drugs (that should have been in the original law that passed).
Originally Posted By bicmane123⏩
what's the real reason???
Addicts don't know what they're ingesting. As evil as Purdue is, addicts know what strength drug they are going to consume because the drugs need to meet legal standards for purity/accuracy.

Now with counterfeit oxy's, random street labs making pills, dealers mixing fent in junk, they don't know how strong of a dose they're taking and people are dropping. A suburb kid with no opioid tolerance and taking what he or she thinks is molly could drop dead.
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Originally Posted By bicmane123⏩
i dont know the numbers.

but is the increase significant compared to states that haven't decriminalized drugs in 2023?

sounds like something you know?
https://www.kptv.com/2023/09/26/oreg...nce-last-year/

Edit- if you want the article just quote and replace asterisks with the word f e ntanyl spelled out because forum is retarded and outdated

Oregon and Washington state had the highest rate of increase in fatalities due to ******** poisoning (13x the national average) and drug overdose compared to the prior year.


Oregon had the highest rate of increase in ******** deaths in the nation with a one-year increase of more than 67 percent, compared to a national average of 5 percent.









But you’re right, I’m sure their policies have nothing to do with it.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
The state is dealing with the largest increase in synthetic overdose deaths in the country and the third highest of all overdose deaths






“But hey guys, just because they’re dealing with the largest increase in the country, we shouldn’t consider what they’re doing different that may be contributing to such a large increase. Afterall, it’s going up in other places as well”.
They are not the largest increase in the country; the other two states in that part you bolded have a higher increase in death rate from drug overdoses. I got my numbers from the CDC. Where did you get yours, son?
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
They are not the largest increase in the country; the other two states in that part you bolded have a higher increase in death rate from drug overdoses. I got my numbers from the CDC. Where did you get yours, son?
From link in post above yours.


PORTLAND Ore. (KPTV) - Overdose deaths and deaths from ******** poisoning reached all-time highs in 2023, according to newly released CDC data.

According to CDC estimates of fatalities through April 2023, 31 states and the District of Columbia saw more ******** and synthetic opioid deaths in 2023 than the year prior. 29 states saw more overdose deaths in 2023 than in the prior year, with Oregon and Washington in the lead among those states.

Oregon and Washington state had the highest rate of increase in fatalities due to ******** poisoning (13x the national average) and drug overdose compared to the prior year.

Oregon had the highest rate of increase in ******** deaths in the nation with a one-year increase of more than 67 percent, compared to a national average of 5 percent. Oregon also ranked second highest in the nation for increases in overdose deaths overall, with an increase of 23 percent.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
From link in post above yours.


PORTLAND Ore. (KPTV) - Overdose deaths and deaths from ******** poisoning reached all-time highs in 2023, according to newly released CDC data.

According to CDC estimates of fatalities through April 2023, 31 states and the District of Columbia saw more ******** and synthetic opioid deaths in 2023 than the year prior. 29 states saw more overdose deaths in 2023 than in the prior year, with Oregon and Washington in the lead among those states.

Oregon and Washington state had the highest rate of increase in fatalities due to ******** poisoning (13x the national average) and drug overdose compared to the prior year.

Oregon had the highest rate of increase in ******** deaths in the nation with a one-year increase of more than 67 percent, compared to a national average of 5 percent. Oregon also ranked second highest in the nation for increases in overdose deaths overall, with an increase of 23 percent.
Current data from the CDC:

Data Table for Figure 1b: Percent Change in 12 Month-ending Count of Drug Overdose Deaths, by Jurisdiction

Washington 40.0%
Nevada 37.9%
Oregon 37.5%


So, as you can see, during the rolling 12 month period in August, Washington took back the lead.

It's hilarious that you're trying to assert that a 2% difference is due to decriminalization when Oregon leads by 2%, but also trying to say it's irrelevant when Oregon is behind by 2%.

The truth is it does not matter. At. All. Son.
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Current data from the CDC:

Data Table for Figure 1b: Percent Change in 12 Month-ending Count of Drug Overdose Deaths, by Jurisdiction

Washington 40.0%
Nevada 37.9%
Oregon 37.5%


So, as you can see, during the rolling 12 month period in August, Washington took back the lead.

It's hilarious that you're trying to assert that a 2% difference is due to decriminalization when Oregon leads by 2%, but also trying to say it's irrelevant when Oregon is behind by 2%.

The truth is it does not matter. At. All. Son.
Of course it does. Just like the policies in Nevada affect their rates. Policies in Washington affect their rates. Policies in Oregon affect their rates. You seem to think it doesn’t so at this point we’ll just agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Of course it does. Just like the policies in Nevada affect their rates. Policies in Washington affect their rates. Policies in Oregon affect their rates. You seem to think it doesn’t so at this point we’ll just agree to disagree.
Ah, I see. Now you've moved goalposts from "Decriminalization caused Oregon to have the highest increase in overdose deaths, so decriminalization causes more drug use" to "Well, okay, but those are liberal shiitholes, too."

Of course you want to agree to disagree now that you've posted information on your own that shows 29 states have had an increase in overdose deaths in their respective states because it highlights the real problem, which isn't political.
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Ah, I see. Now you've moved goalposts from "Decriminalization caused Oregon to have the highest increase in overdose deaths, so decriminalization causes more drug use" to "Well, okay, but those are liberal shiitholes, too."

Of course you want to agree to disagree now that you've posted information on your own that shows 29 states have had an increase in overdose deaths in their respective states because it highlights the real problem, which isn't political.
No I agree to disagree because you’re still building strawmen(like saying I’m claiming it was the only reason) and you just adamantly refuse to admit that decriminalizing drugs can lead to an increase in drug problems. There’s no point in further discussion.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
No I agree to disagree because you’re still building strawmen(like saying I’m claiming it was the only reason) and you just adamantly refuse to admit that decriminalizing drugs can lead to an increase in drug problems. There’s no point in further discussion.
Of course there's no point to further discussion. I just showed you two states that had a bigger increase in fent overdoses than the decriminalized state, which crumbled your initial argument.

You want me to state that decriminalizing drugs will increase drug use, but you have not provided data that proves that. Until you do, I won't commit to a yes answer.

Personally, I don't think decriminalizing is the answer nor do I think the current "solutions" are the answer, but not because I think either will lead to more drug use.
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z4: "So when are you available in September to play?"

Deep: "On second thought, I don't play golf with broads. You're such a scumbag that I'd be much more inclined to just slap the chit out of you."

z4: "MMA match works, too. So when are you available this month?

Deep: "I won't subject myself to being in the presence of a scumbag."
post 1697462383 02-05-2024, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
The truth is it does not matter. At. All. Son.
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Of course it does.
the truth is probably somewhere between both of your views.

it does matter, but its just one of many factors. and may not matter as much as jtaylor thinks.
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Are you saying overdoses and deaths are not increasing in areas that are not decriminalized?

Washington had double the amount of overdose deaths than Oregon had in 2023.
The increase in deaths from 2022 to 2023 was 40% in Washington; the increase in deaths from 2022 to 2023 in Oregon was 38%.
Nevada had a higher increase in deaths than Oregon did from 2022 to 2023.

More than half the states in America have had an increase in overdose deaths from 2022 to 2023.

With that said, have you figured out what the real problem is yet, son?
You should run those numbers from 2020, when Oregon decriminalized drugs. Cite your sources.

As of Jan 22, 2024, Oregon says the 2023 numbers are not yet complete.





https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/PREVEN...ata_report.pdf
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
You should run those numbers from 2020, when Oregon decriminalized drugs. Cite your sources.
Da fukk sources you think, son? You post so much gateway pundit bullshiit that you think other people do the same. CDC. And yes, these are provisional, but so were the numbers JT posted from his article because as you said, the final numbers are not ready for 2023.
Deepfat: "I guarantee I beat you by at least 6 strokes. Afterwards, I'll slide my thick conservative cawk in your old lady just to finish the job."

z4: "So when are you available in September to play?"

Deep: "On second thought, I don't play golf with broads. You're such a scumbag that I'd be much more inclined to just slap the chit out of you."

z4: "MMA match works, too. So when are you available this month?

Deep: "I won't subject myself to being in the presence of a scumbag."
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I just found z4's CDC data for Washington, Oregon and Nevada.

For each of those three states it says:

*Underreported due to incomplete data*Underreported due to incomplete data



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/d...rdose-data.htm



Nice job, tardo.



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