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Lol @ not even bothering to copy and paste in a complete title

tbh this was my only "concern" going into the podcast

good to know we're still gonna be Xbox masterrace next gen

Jay and Sub showing their IQ again, sad.I am just dying for these plastic box makers to make a super console, $1k worth of hardware, I'd ideally like a $2-3k console but I realize there is probably not much market support.

Honestly I could not be less excited. We're at the point of major diminishing returns.

These "pro" versions are retarded.

cope

lmfao at sonycuck fanbois who played themselves and had their hopes crushed

sad lot really

What games though?

And it'll still be MOGGED by a PC running a 3080.

Consolecels never seem to realize what real tech is. LOL at thinking $500 will get you powerful hardware.

Pro versions aren't retarded in that they can run the games better.

The problem with pro is people are delusional thinking it's some magnificent upgrade.

Even if they're losing $500, a $1500 console wouldn't be special in any regard.

A $900 - $1200 PC is about a PS5 equivalent, if not a bit more.

You want MOGGER specs, gotta spend $2500 minimum.

“But they’re also going to be able to be accessed across any screen because of all the other investments we make. So we’re giving them an easy way to access as many players as possible.”

Yeah it will be a streaming dongle.

Talk about leaps.

I'm aware a PC is capable of a lot more than a console but I simply don't care

Not talking about you, I'm talking about the people who get hyped at a new console being 'super duper powerful'

Probably some cloud/digital only chit console with no games

Your post doesn't make sense tho. The PS4 pro sold less than 15% of the base PS4 even tho it came midway thru. Most people buy the base model and never upgrade.


Also didn't we all complain that the existence of the series S put a huge strain on the potential of the Series X and next gen games in general? It meant that all xbox and 3rd party games needed to work on that weak system so it definitely strong-armed the beginning of the gen. Not only that but things will get far worse for the latter half of the gen. There will be gamers with 5090 GPUs playing games that have to work on the series S. That's brutal. I much prefer Sony's method of releasing the pro midway thru, that way we can get a pro model that's closer to best PCs at the time.

2023:


The same problem with the "holiday hardware" applies here: there are no games.

What good is evenmorehardware if there's nothing worthwhile to play in order to justify its very existence?

It's like this with their ongoing fetish with releasing a new controller every time your turn around.

Who is buying all of these fücking controllers and for what perverse reason?

The people in charge are/have beenutter morons, just the same as the rest of Microsoft's entire personal computing segment. Now it just feels like they're trying to gaslight the type of poor sods who have the Dune 2 controller on preorder into thinking that Satya Nadella doesn't have a shotgun pointed to the back of everyone's heads in the Xbox division telling them do be more like Activision because that's literally the reason they were anywhere close to being in the black last quarter.

That isn't to say this entire "generation" hasn't been a joke for games, but Microsoft has been in this same position for over an entire generation of hardware already and still bumble around as though the idea of a video game console having worthwhile video games to play is some kind of extraordinary ask from consumers.
That all plays into the logistical reasons why they don't release a Pro model day 1, too.

They already sell the new hardware at a lossdespitebeing less powerful than better available PC hardware, while having to book supplies and production to meet anticipated demand.

A higher spec sku is throwing a practically unprecedented monkey wrench into that for console makers, especially because of the unknown demand for a sticker shock sku that could just as easily have far less demand or far too much, thus impacting the supplies.

They have a much better idea of demands later in the console's life cycle, and they have a better understanding of what can be optimized or improved feature wise. Just look at how the new slim PS5s were an adjustment to cooling and optimization; they now have real world data to confirm their design choices and can work from there.

I can also imagine the marketing nightmare if there's a console that is substantially more powerful because you know damn well that companies will use that for their marketing instead of what most people have on hand.

Unlike PCs where not only do you go in knowing that it's whateveryourhardware can run, but also that upgrading a single component like the GPU is at least an option. It's not nearly as practical for most people (or easy to justify) to try selling their entire used console for much less and then shelling out a ton more for an essentially identical product beyond the bumped up specs. They would have to redesign the entire thing to allow upgrading anything beyond the storage space, which might not be a bad thing for consumers if they could pop in a better GPU, but that could possibly jack up the cost of the base product to accommodate upgradeability.

Spot on. Supply plays a huge part in it. Think about it, for 500 we got a console that was similar in GPU to a 2070. Pretty sweet deal at the time. But keep in mind consoles use AMD to keep costs down...so the question is what in the world existed at the time from AMD that Sony could use that was significantly more powerful than a 2070 yet wouldn't cost an arm and a leg? Maybe a PCcel can tell us.

So now 4 years have passed, tech has improved a bunch and Sony discovered many things that were good about the launch system and many things that weren't. As you said, cooling was vastly reduced in size. Another thing I'd add is we discovered that raytracing would be a far bigger deal than we thought at the start of the gen. So much so that Sony will have to implement their own hardware raytracing. Even their AI upscaling that's rumored.

This will allow the pro to now have roughly the power of a 4070...around twice what the original PS5 could do if you factor in everything...for the cost of what, 500-600? That would be amazing value and something that was only possible with 4 extra years of advancement and planning.

How long have you been gaming? Do you understand the consumer base of the gaming industry works? If you did, you'd know a vast majority squawk at a $500 base console. See: PS3 release.

A Pro version released on day 1 would be $700 easy. People ain't.


And your argument really doesn't make sense because if they release a pro version, they're gonna release a pro pro version that's even stronger.

A 4070? The gpu thats $550 by itself? Not happening.


Build a PC folks. Sony releasing games on it is justification to going all out and building a $4500 5090. Not to mention being able to run 3rd party games at max settings

Try much more. To justify a pro you will need a significant bump in power, let's say the amount the actual pro is rumored to have. Even in 2025, that real pro might be 600-700 for all we fuking know, around the cost of the equivalent GPU on PC alone.

Think about what that cost would have to be in 2020? Lol.

Sony uses AMD which is cheaper than Nvidia. Also, they have special deals where they buy in massive bulk and can get the cards for much cheaper. Don't forget the PS5 gpu was around a 2070 super. That card was $500 alone when the entire PS5 launched for $500.

Lol good thing you don't work for Sony. Good luck trying to sell a $750 console at launch while completely alienating and pissing off the majority of your user base by telling them their $500 "premium" box is now the poverty/outdated version at the very start. They would feel like 2nd class citizens and Sony would get dragged hard by the backlash. It's much better to do this a few years later when the base console is much older, give it a price cut and say hey, time has passed and as you can see new games aren't running well on your once top box anymore so here's an upgrade with newer tech.

Also, as I said before, $750 in 2020 wouldn't have gotten you much because PS5 uses AMD tech which is a gen behind Nvidia. When it comes to stuff like Raytracing and so on, AMD didn't have good solutions at the time. Essentially 4 years later $750 could get you much more now that tech has advanced and more importantly the industry has had more time to see where the tech is going. None of us knew at the start how huge RT and Unreal 5 would impact this gen and that's why RT was absolutely atrocious on base consoles. Now we have a much clearer idea and can develop a box that's far more focused on where the trend has gone.

xbox never was and never will be.360 was decent but every pro gamer knows xbox cant compete

Every pro gamer was on Xbox 360 over the ps3 (not including pc)

Halo and cod 4 >>

If PlayStation made the hardware (minus controller) and Xbox made the software and UI. It would be the goat console

Lmfao, pro gamers were on PC or playstation. 360 even lost to PS3 in the end.

And Xbox has been dead ever since the 360. Flop after flop

I said not counting PC but yes Xbox is where all the MLG pros were (gears, halo, cod)

I don’t even know why you would try to argue against that other than your a retarded fan boy