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post 1698367303 02-26-2024, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted By Arsenal01⏩
I believe many people have a drinking/drug problem and dont realize it (addiction and drugs can blind you to this, brb I'm just unwinding after a long week), and yes I do believe zero is better than moderation.

Someone I knew from HS was a drug dealer selling coke and weed, he said his coke customers are doctors, nurses, accountants etc. People who can actually afford it, now Im sure no one here wants the responsible coke head who likes to relax and party on the weekends operating on their kids.

I place all drugs in 1 catogorie, I understand alcohol is more accepted but too much will turn anyone as incomprehensible/violent/belligerent as a homeless crack head that have taken over downtown here. They just have to drink "too much" once to enter this state for a few hours.

I am sure there are some benefits in drugs and cigarettes but the evil outweighs it...imho

this is not a moral stand, we are an anon board in the misc section. I posted a thread to get like-minded people together and maybe encourage anyone who wants to be 100% sober to do so.
Again, your argument is based around abuse, excess, addiction, etc. It goes without saying these are not good things.

I’d be more curious to hear why you believe zero is better than moderation.

The only argument I can think of is that moderation opens the door to excess, but obviously if that happens it signifies a change from moderation to excess, thus we are no longer talking about moderation.
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Originally Posted By alltrapbrah⏩
Again, your argument is based around abuse, excess, addiction, etc. It goes without saying these are not good things.

I’d be more curious to hear why you believe zero is better than moderation.

The only argument I can think of is that moderation opens the door to excess, but obviously if that happens it signifies a change from moderation to excess, thus we are no longer talking about moderation.
moderation is ambiguous, and the step from moderation towards excess is blurred.

There is technically a moderate amount of meth someone can take.

Zero is absolute.
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Moderate drinkers have 1.8-fold higher risks of oral cavity (excluding the lips) and pharynx (throat) cancers and 1.4-fold higher risks of larynx (voice box) cancers than non-drinkers
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...%20(4%2C%209).
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post 1698368303 02-26-2024, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted By Brommando⏩
lol at needed drugs/alcohol to be social, pathetic
this is true. a lot of people feel kinda lame without some weed or alcohol. being sober teaches you to interact...especially if you don't cope with being buried in a cell phone
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Originally Posted By Arsenal01⏩
moderation is ambiguous, and the step from moderation towards excess is blurred.

There is technically a moderate amount of meth someone can take.

Zero is absolute.
Again, you’re not saying anything here, other than avoiding giving a reason/rationale for why zero is preferential over being able to enjoy such things in moderation.

It’s cool if you don’t have any reasons and just “feel” zero is best, or something. I’d rather you be honest than skirt around the question like you continue to do.
post 1698372843 02-26-2024, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted By Arsenal01⏩
moderation is ambiguous, and the step from moderation towards excess is blurred.

There is technically a moderate amount of meth someone can take.

Zero is absolute.
Originally Posted By Arsenal01⏩
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...%20(4%2C%209).
Originally Posted By alltrapbrah⏩
Again, you’re not saying anything here, other than avoiding giving a reason/rationale for why zero is preferential over being able to enjoy such things in moderation.

It’s cool if you don’t have any reasons and just “feel” zero is best, or something. I’d rather you be honest than skirt around the question like you continue to do.
I guess we should agree to disagree.

I believe the above reasoning is enough to justify zero intoxicants.
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post 1698373013 02-26-2024, 09:09 AM
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post 1698373183 02-26-2024, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted By Silence2⏩
Yep

No meds either

Feels amazing srs
i wonder what percentage of americans are no drugs, no mental meds, no alcohol, no tats, no obese...75 years ago i imagine this number would've been significant. now what 5-10%? if you throw in no obese...perhaps closer to the 5% number?
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Originally Posted By Silence2⏩
No vax also

For my age group I’d say I’m top 1% srs
me too. definitely a tiny, tiny minority that can say pure blood, not overweight/obese, no drugs, no mental scrips, no tats, no alcohol, no cigs. it's like this small group is completely immune from marketing/herd mentality. i bet on average they are far more secure financially too.
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Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
me too. definitely a tiny, tiny minority that can say pure blood, not overweight/obese, no drugs, no mental scrips, no tats, no alcohol, no cigs. it's like this small group is completely immune from marketing/herd mentality. i bet on average they are far more secure financially too.
This is me , sad how people need chemical crutches to get out through their lives
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Originally Posted By Silence2⏩
Yep

No meds either

Feels amazing srs
Originally Posted By eddiehaskell⏩
i wonder what percentage of americans are no drugs, no mental meds, no alcohol, no tats, no obese...75 years ago i imagine this number would've been significant. now what 5-10%? if you throw in no obese...perhaps closer to the 5% number?
Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
This is me , sad how people need chemical crutches to get out through their lives
feels good brahs

just got back from the gym, brb no stims other than a morning coffee 5 hours ago. Had a great workout
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Whatever works for you OP.

I eat healthy 7 days a week, 2 meals per day inc 17 hour fast. Train 6 days per week with lifting, Muay Thai and BJJ. I do however enjoy 6 beer and a gram of pepsi once every 8-10 weeks.

I find people with such a staunch attitude towards completely abstaining usually are ones that suffer from addiction problems. It is possible to enjoy substances in moderation.
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Originally Posted By CellyTech⏩
Whatever works for you OP.

I eat healthy 7 days a week, 2 meals per day inc 17 hour fast. Train 6 days per week with lifting, Muay Thai and BJJ. I do however enjoy 6 beer and a gram of pepsi once every 8-10 weeks.

I find people with such a staunch attitude towards completely abstaining usually are ones that suffer from addiction problems. It is possible to enjoy substances in moderation.
I hope I dont come off as staunch. Im just saying it feels good to not need or want to alter my mind ever. I have never been addicted to any drug.

I don't hold anything against anyone who wants to alter their state of mind if they dont affect other people, but thats rarely the case. Fighting, car crashes, domestic abuse, murder, rape are all increased when drugs and alcohol are involved.
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seems go be a lot of substance abuse threads on the misc lately
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Originally Posted By Arsenal01⏩
I hope I dont come off as staunch. Im just saying it feels good to not need or want to alter my mind ever. I have never been addicted to any drug.
Oxford definition of staunch:

very loyal and committed in attitude.

Staunch isexactlyhow you come across on this topic.

You’re obviously not keen on moderation, as such it’s hard to interpret your attitude as anything BUT puritanical or staunch.
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Originally Posted By alltrapbrah⏩
Oxford definition of staunch:

very loyal and committed in attitude.

Staunch isexactlyhow you come across on this topic.

You’re obviously not keen on moderation, as such it’s hard to interpret your attitude as anything BUT puritanical or staunch.
sorry you feel that way.

I created a thread about this on misc to bring like-minded people together and to encourage anyone trying to quit.

I could argue that your repeated posts in this thread, discussing moderation and justifying the use of alcohol/narcotics, are more staunch.
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Originally Posted By Arsenal01⏩
sorry you feel that way.

I created a thread about this on misc to bring like-minded people together and to encourage anyone trying to quit.

I could argue that your repeated posts in this thread, discussing moderation and justifying the use of alcohol/narcotics, are more staunch.
Fill your boots! Feel free to make that argument, although you’ll only get agreement from me. I am being staunch.

And this is the difference between us: I am not confused/conflicted about the message I am putting out, whereas you definitely appear to be.
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Originally Posted By Arsenal01⏩
moderation is ambiguous, and the step from moderation towards excess is blurred.

There is technically a moderate amount of meth someone can take.

Zero is absolute.
This has got to be one of the most uninformed statements I've ever read.
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Originally Posted By Rebel012⏩
This has got to be one of the most uninformed statements I've ever read.
I personally dont drink or do any drugs due to religious beliefs, but itt seems majority of people facing substance abuse issues don't intentionally choose this path. It seems it often involves a gradual descent to a certain point until they start spiraling, or they may start drinking heavily when they first start, not thinking they can get hooked.


It's not uncommon for people to misjudge their alcohol intake and see it as moderate when it would fall into heavy drinking. stuff like social norms, personal habits, and alcohol tolerance can influence this.
Binge Drinking:
NIAAA defines binge drinking as a pattern of drinking alcohol that brings blood alcohol concentration (BAC) to 0.08 percent - or 0.08 grams of alcohol per deciliter - or higher. For a typical adult, this pattern corresponds to consuming 5 or more drinks (male), or 4 or more drinks (female), in about 2 hours.
The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), which conducts the annual National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), defines binge drinking as 5 or more alcoholic drinks for males or 4 or more alcoholic drinks for females on the same occasion (i.e., at the same time or within a couple of hours of each other) on at least 1 day in the past month.
Heavy Alcohol Use:
NIAAA defines heavy drinking as follows:
For men, consuming five or more drinks on any day or 15 or more per week
For women, consuming four or more on any day or 8 or more drinks per week
SAMHSA defines heavy alcohol use as binge drinking on 5 or more days in the past month
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-he...binge-drinking


Any even moderate drinking has health risks:
Moderate drinkers have 1.8-fold higher risks of oral cavity (excluding the lips) and pharynx (throat) cancers and 1.4-fold higher risks of larynx (voice box) cancers than non-drinkers, and heavy drinkers have 5-fold higher risks of oral cavity and pharynx cancers and 2.6-fold higher risks of larynx cancers (4, 9).

Eso****eal cancer: Alcohol consumption at any level is associated with an increased risk of a type of eso****eal cancer called eso****eal squamous cell carcinoma. The risks, compared with no alcohol consumption, range from 1.3-fold higher for light drinking to nearly 5-fold higher for heavy drinking (4, 9)
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...prevent-cancer
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