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post 1699365143 03-18-2024, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
back when it first came out?
Multi site phase 3 clinical trial data.

Collected by CRO's.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
The unvaccinated are a danger to the vaccinated and should be confined to their homes......
That's an aggressive stance, but everyone is entitled to their opinion
post 1699365253 03-18-2024, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Multi site phase 3 clinical trial data.

Collected by CRO's.
how did that “data” work out in the real world?
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post 1699365563 03-18-2024, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's an aggressive stance, but everyone is entitled to their opinion
An opinion that some tried to make policy.
post 1699365623 03-18-2024, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
how did that “data” work out in the real world?
See previous page.
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A vaccine that doesn’t stop the spread 100% of the time is a s h I T vaccine

What’s the point?
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
A vaccine that doesn’t stop the spread 100% of the time is a s h I T vaccine

What’s the point?
I'm not sure if you're being serious right now, but no vaccine is ever 100% effective. Why would you think that is a necessity element of vaccination?
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
post 1699365803 03-18-2024, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
An opinion that some tried to make policy.
Who? When?
post 1699365843 03-18-2024, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
A vaccine that doesn’t stop the spread 100% of the time is a s h I T vaccine

What’s the point?
I guess there aren't any "real" vaccines
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
I'm not sure if you're being serious right now, but no vaccine is ever 100% effective. Why would you think that is a necessity element of vaccination?
when it’s sold as stopping the transmission but doesn’t, it’s a **** vaccine

Only idiots would argue otherwise
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post 1699366163 03-18-2024, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Who? When?
How many people lost their job for refusing the jab? How many people were prevented from eating at a restaurant, going to a concert, going to school, college, a sporting event, etc?
post 1699366283 03-18-2024, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
when it’s sold as stopping the transmission but doesn’t, it’s a **** vaccine

Only idiots would argue otherwise
Sold? Did Pfizer or any other company market their product that way?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
How many people lost their job for refusing the jab? How many people were prevented from eating at a restaurant, going to a concert, going to school, college, a sporting event, etc?
Can you share the proposed policy to which you alluded?
post 1699366393 03-18-2024, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Sold? Did Pfizer or any other company market their product that way?
see op

And people fell for it, lmao
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Can you share the proposed policy to which you alluded?
How many people lost their job for refusing the jab? How many people were prevented from eating at a restaurant, going to a concert, going to school, college, a sporting event, etc?
post 1699366683 03-18-2024, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Sold? Did Pfizer or any other company market their product that way?
Add phizer to the list in OP
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post 1699366823 03-18-2024, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
How many people lost their job for refusing the jab? How many people were prevented from eating at a restaurant, going to a concert, going to school, college, a sporting event, etc?
Where's the proposed policy?

This is your claim, you tell me
post 1699366843 03-18-2024, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
Add phizer to the list in OP
Uh huh.

Look at the date. That also doesn't say transmission as you claimed.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Uh huh.

Look at the date. That also doesn't say transmission as you claimed.
what does prevent covid mean?

And the date?
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post 1699367123 03-18-2024, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Why would we look at the date?

Are you saying that the vaccine prevented Covid19 at that time, but not at a point in time after that?

Still lulzy tho

We were talking about the initial Phase 3 trials. He's trying to move away from that
post 1699367153 03-18-2024, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
what does prevent covid mean?

And the date?
Delta (trial) results
post 1699367253 03-18-2024, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
We were talking about the initial Phase 3 trials. He's trying to move away from that
lmao, I’m not trying to move away from it

Even phizer lied and said it prevented covid
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post 1699367273 03-18-2024, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
lmao, I’m not trying to move away from it

Even phizer lied and said it prevented covid
In the data they're citing in that tweet, effectiveness was over 90%.

You said they "sold" it as preventing transmission.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
In the data they're citing in that tweet, effectiveness was over 90%.

You said they "sold" it as preventing transmission.
and?
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post 1699367433 03-18-2024, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
and?
They didn't.

Like every other vaccine, a challenge trial was not required prior to approval.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
They didn't.
what does prevent covid mean then?
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Correct me if I'm wrong. But the amazing MRNA vaxxes (thanks Trump!) were 92%+ effective after two jabs of acquiring covid. The same protection provided by most vaccines.

So if everyone had gotten two jabs and the virus had not mutated, the jabs would have been able to statistically stomp out covid.

The virus mutating and anti-vaxxers gave the virus the breeding ground necessary to spread.

Is the above not correct boyos?
They played around with the percentages. Like, with statins, they might take your chance of heart attack from 3% to 2% and they sell them cutting your odds down by 50%. That kind of thing.

Do you have an 8% of getting covid if you are vaccinated? Compared to what if you're not? They don't keep you from getting it at all, really. Only for a limited time, I presume while you're flush with the antibodies they create, if you get it those antibodies help you recover quicker. Less chance of death, hospitalization, etc, recover quicker and such.

So, a real benefit, I'm not saying otherwise. I just never saw them sold as such *in the moment*.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
what does prevent covid mean then?
Vaccine effectiveness.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
They played around with the percentages. Like, with statins, they might take your chance of heart attack from 3% to 2% and they sell them cutting your odds down by 50%. That kind of thing.

Do you have an 8% of getting covid if you are vaccinated? Compared to what if you're not? They don't keep you from getting it at all, really. Only for a limited time, I presume while you're flush with the antibodies they create, if you get it those antibodies help you recover quicker. Less chance of death, hospitalization, etc, recover quicker and such.

So, a real benefit, I'm not saying otherwise. I just never saw them sold as such *in the moment*.
"A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo. There were 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose among participants assigned to receive BNT162b2 and 162 cases among those assigned to placebo; BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 (95% credible interval, 90.3 to 97.6). Similar vaccine efficacy (generally 90 to 100%) was observed across subgroups defined by age, sex, race, ethnicity, baseline body-mass index, and the presence of coexisting conditions. Among 10 cases of severe Covid-19 with onset after the first dose, 9 occurred in placebo recipients and 1 in a BNT162b2 recipient. The safety profile of BNT162b2 was characterized by short-term, mild-to-moderate pain at the injection site, fatigue, and headache. The incidence of serious adverse events was low and was similar in the vaccine and placebo groups."


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

Do you feel absolute risk reduction is all that matters in a public health context?

(The 95% RRR pfizer vaccine corresponds to 0.85% ARR)
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Vaccine effectiveness.
wrong

prevent
verb
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prevented; preventing; prevents
Synonyms of prevent
transitive verb
1
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