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post 1699351153 03-17-2024, 08:52 PM
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Was the Vaccine ever sold as stopping Covid?

Bill Gates, July 30, 2020: “During 2021 we should be able to manufacture a lot of vaccines, and that vaccine’s key goal is to stop transmission.”

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, March 29, 2021: “We can kind of almost see the end where we’re vaccinating so very fast. Our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick, and it’s not just in the clinical trials but also in real world data.”

MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, March 29, 2021: “Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person. A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus? The virus does not infect them, the virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else. I cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people.”

UCSF infectious disease expert Dr. Monica Gandhi, March 30, 2021: “Essentially vaccines block you from getting and giving the virus.”

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, April 1, 2021: “Excited to share that updated analysis from our Phase 3 study with BioNTech also showed that our COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%!”

White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci, May 16, 2021: “When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community. In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere.”

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, May 19, 2021: "Data have demonstrated even if you were to get infected during post-vaccination, you can’t give it to anyone else.”

White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci, June 2, 2021: “When people are vaccinated they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected. We have all the vaccines we need. We just need our people to take it a) for their own protection of their family but also to break the chain of transmission.”

White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr Anthony Fauci, June 2, 2021: “You want to be a dead end to the virus. So when the virus gets to you, you stop it. You don’t allow it to use you as the stepping stone to the next person.”

Joe Biden, June 16, 2021: “The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated. And they’re killing people.”

Joe Biden, July 21, 2021: “You’re ok, you’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations.”

Leana Wen, July 29, 2021: “Frankly, we know that we cannot trust the unvaccinated.”

Arthur Caplan, professor of medical ethics at NYU: “It's the unvaccinated who are the threat, who are going to make us close our schools, lose our jobs again, shut down the economy. The unvaccinated have rights, but they're limited when they hurt or harm others.”

Former Israel Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, August 5, 2021: “If you don't get vaccinated - it's like walking around with a machine gun and shooting delta viruses at everyone.”

Ari Melber, MSNBC, August 8, 2021: “The unvaccinated should be taxed. They should pay more for healthcare.”

Leana Wen on CNN, September 9, 2021: “We need to start looking at the choice to remain unvaccinated the same as we look at driving while intoxicated. … You have the option to not get vaccinated if you want. But then you can't go out in public. …”

Joe Biden, September 9, 2021: “[The COVID-19 vaccine] is not about freedom or personal choice.”

Chris Cuomo, CNN, October 6, 2021: “You know what our biggest enemy is in America? Our fellow [unvaccinated] Americans."

Gene Simmons, November 11, 2021: “If you walk among us unvaccinated, you are the enemy.”

Victoria Premier Dan Andrews, January 30 2022: “It’s only with three doses that you’ll be prevented not just from serious illness but from getting this virus, this Omicron variant, and therefore giving it to others.”
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I remember one guy, forget his name, gave a very beautiful and powerful speech on December 8, 2020 beginning at 2:06 EST saying "We’re here to discuss a monumental national achievement. From the instant the coronavirus invaded our shores, we raced into action to develop a safe and effective vaccine at breakneck speed... The gold standard vaccine has been done in less than nine months... Yeah. Amazing. Really amazing. They say it’s — they say it’s somewhat of a miracle, and I think that’s true... This will quickly and dramatically reduce deaths and hospitalizations."
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"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."

-Joe Biden July 2021

Wasn’t he supposed to crush the **** out of the Covid curve or something?
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By April or May 2021 the reports out of a few countries of the vax only offering partial protection for a limited time were already publicly available. Yet those liars kept the outlandish lies up for so gdamn long.

Charges of involuntary manslaughter wouldn't be too harsh for a few of them.
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I notice a lot of 1-star ratings for this thread, but not a lot of people in this thread making a solid case against the implied premise. Funny how that works.
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Complaining that the vaccine doesn't stop spread is just misunderstanding basic epidemiology. And interpreting public figures commenting on the vaccines hyper-literally like this is just autism-tier communication skills.


No vaccine can directly stop spread. Large groups of vaccinated people do because vaccines lower your susceptibility.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
Complaining that the vaccine doesn't stop spread is just misunderstanding basic epidemiology. And interpreting public figures commenting on the vaccines hyper-literally like this is just autism-tier communication skills.


No vaccine can directly stop spread. Large groups of unvaccinated people do because vaccines lower your susceptibility.
I'm perfectly fine with this position, although not sure I would be completely on board with it (esp that last sentence).

My beef is how the vaccines were sold in the day and how truthful statements, or even one as benign as what you just said, were widely censored. Right now, we can openly talk about it and nobody blinks an eyelid over the statement about vaccines not stopping covid or not being 100%, but in the moment that statement would have had consequences.
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Funny how this was posted, word for word, on Reddit and OP didn't even mention that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...f_you_got_the/


Also funny how OP quotes this guy as if he's some sort of authority on anything other than playing bass guitar.

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Originally Posted By sloop
Funny how this was posted, word for word, on Reddit and OP didn't even mention that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...f_you_got_the/
Ok? Yeah, I glommed this but I also vividly recall living in the moment and the sentiment about the vaccines and those who didn't take it. Does my not finding it on my own time undo any of it?

Meanwhile, a lot of people are gaslighting that all along they never did or nobody else said the things we all heard those in authority saying.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
Complaining that the vaccine doesn't stop spread is just misunderstanding basic epidemiology. And interpreting public figures commenting on the vaccines hyper-literally like this is just autism-tier communication skills.


No vaccine can directly stop spread. Large groups of unvaccinated people do because vaccines lower your susceptibility.
So you admit that all the above individuals lied, and you're still trying to demonize the unvaccinated?
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Originally Posted By sloop
Funny how this was posted, word for word, on Reddit and OP didn't even mention that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...f_you_got_the/


Also funny how OP quotes this guy as if he's some sort of authority on anything other than playing bass guitar.

Wow, you're so clever......

What would the world do without you?
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"These findings suggest that, although vaccinated and/or previously infected individuals remain highly infectious upon SARS-CoV-2 infection in this prison setting, their infectiousness is reduced compared to individuals without any history of vaccination or infection. This study underscores benefit of vaccination to reduce, but not eliminate, transmission."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02138-x



"Our findings indicate that vaccines may lower transmission risk and, therefore, have a public health benefit beyond the individual protection from severe disease."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01816-0


Challenge trials are rarely, if ever, done for vaccines.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
"These findings suggest that, although vaccinated and/or previously infected individuals remain highly infectious upon SARS-CoV-2 infection in this prison setting, their infectiousness is reduced compared to individuals without any history of vaccination or infection. This study underscores benefit of vaccination to reduce, but not eliminate, transmission."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02138-x



"Our findings indicate that vaccines may lower transmission risk and, therefore, have a public health benefit beyond the individual protection from severe disease."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01816-0
"May" lower transmission risk.......
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All I remember reading about the vax is that it was supposed to minimize hospital time if you got covid and likely would prevent death or serious illness. It was never supposed to prevent catching covid or stop it. I'm vexed, not boosted, and when I caught covid, I had no symptoms. I only knew I had it because I was tested prior to a medical procedure
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Correct me if I'm wrong. But the amazing MRNA vaxxes (thanks Trump!) were 92%+ effective after two jabs of acquiring covid. The same protection provided by most vaccines.

So if everyone had gotten two jabs and the virus had not mutated, the jabs would have been able to statistically stomp out covid.

The virus mutating and anti-vaxxers gave the virus the breeding ground necessary to spread.

Is the above not correct boyos?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
"May" lower transmission risk.......
Yep.

"To reduce, but not eliminate, transmission". It's that pesky odds and risk stuff again

Challenge trials are rarely, if ever, conducted on vaccines.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie
Correct me if I'm wrong. But the amazing MRNA vaxxes (thanks Trump!) were 92%+ effective after two jabs of acquiring covid. The same protection provided by most vaccines.

So if everyone had gotten two jabs and the virus had not mutated, the jabs would have been able to statistically stomp out covid.

The virus mutating and anti-vaxxers gave the virus the breeding ground necessary to spread.

Is the above not correct boyos?
effective at what?
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Originally Posted By 5x10
effective at what?
Preventing getting and transmitting the OG virus.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie
Preventing getting and transmitting the OG virus.
that was a lie
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Originally Posted By 5x10
that was a lie
The data are there.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie
Correct me if I'm wrong. But the amazing MRNA vaxxes (thanks Trump!) were 92%+ effective after two jabs of acquiring covid. The same protection provided by most vaccines.

So if everyone had gotten two jabs and the virus had not mutated, the jabs would have been able to statistically stomp out covid.

The virus mutating and anti-vaxxers gave the virus the breeding ground necessary to spread.

Is the above not correct boyos?
The virus already mutated by the time the jabs rolled out, also, you're not boosted, you're you're also an anti-vaxxer.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie
Preventing getting and transmitting the OG virus.
The OG virus already mutated by the time the jab rolled out, but you know that already..... Right?
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie
Preventing getting and transmitting the OG virus.
Why even bother when the virus will be gone one day? Did you forget:
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

— Donald Trump
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Originally Posted By sloop
Also funny how OP quotes this guy as if he's some sort of authority on anything other than playing bass guitar.

Who the fuk is that? Looks like a blind Gene Simmons with a nasty yeast infection.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
The data are there.
phizers data?
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Originally Posted By 5x10
phizers data?
Multi site clinical trial data.

Inb4 all data we don't like are fake.
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Originally Posted By JUSA
Ok? Yeah, I glommed this but I also vividly recall living in the moment and the sentiment about the vaccines and those who didn't take it. Does my not finding it on my own time undo any of it?

Meanwhile, a lot of people are gaslighting that all along they never did or nobody else said the things we all heard those in authority saying.
You stole someone else's thoughts & words and posted them as your own, even citing GENE SIMMONS like he's some kind of credible source of information.

You = clown.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Multi site clinical trial data.
back when it first came out?

Also, did the “data” prove to be correct in the real world?
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Originally Posted By sloop
Why even bother when the virus will be gone one day? Did you forget:



Abbra cadabra!
The unvaccinated are a danger to the vaccinated and should be confined to their homes......
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