So we agree.

Yeah that commies are retards who don't understand anything about the nature of living things and expect their own idealism to win over nature.

No, I meant regarding the thread topic (how Marxism could work).

If you started a brand new society under communism it would work for a time, but quickly devolve into class warfare at a far more rapid pace than something like capitalism.

So in summary, there are those that believe human nature can fundamentally shift, allowing Marxism to succeed, and those who believe humans will not be fit for such a system, ever, because we have directly evolved to oppose it.

I’ll put myself in the latter boat, with the exception that we might big brain ourselves artificially to perhaps get there in another few millennia, using some ethically dubious technology and medical advancements. And that’s still not a guarantee of anything, just improving the odds.

See also: the borg

If marxism could accept the primacy of the individual sure. It wouldnt be marxism then though

Individual freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism.

I don't think we'll ever get there. You can't change nature, and if you try to fight nature, nature will always win.

Evolution occurs in the context of nature.

Lol @ thinking you can control and dictate the course of evolution to do what it has never done. That and evolution takes so long I doubt civilization will even be around if people ever do evolve.

Face it, your ideas are stupid.

Where do you get the sense I think I can control anything?

With your attitude. Everyone who develops a savior complex becomes a control freak.

Rekt

The closest you could manage would be something like the movie equilibrium. You would have to indoctrinate everybody from birth and medicate the entire population.

You would have to kill the desire to compete. The problem is that without that desire to compete, no technological improvements would be made, nothing would move forward in the arts etc and the majority of the population would LDAR.

An external civilisation would then just conquer you.

Yup, once again nature doing it's thing. Too much isolation weakens things and opens them up to foreign invasion from things outside of the controlled opposition.

The irony is Bodhy would be the first person the communists would execute, because, by his own admission, he's heavily autistic and can't hold a job for more than a week before he melts down and quits.

These leeches have no place in a communist society.

"Wherever it is not in power, Marxism claims all the basic liberal rights, for they alone can give it the freedom which its propaganda urgently needs. But it can never understand their spirit and will never grant them to its opponents when it comes into power itself." -- Ludwig von Mises

This was my point, too. I think the greatest downfall of commiunims is that it doesn't appreciate human nature. Hence why I mentioned game theory in my OP. If 1000 people all work for a greater good, everyone benefits. But someone will slack off and still reap benefits of hard work, then 2 people, 4 people etc.

That's where you invariably have to deploy the stick rather than carrot to keep it working. There's no intrinsic motivator to work harder since you can't yield material gain, so to keep working you need to be threatened with the gulag.

And then there is the impossibility of value and ideology alignment. How can a massive society have people all agree on what to produce? Everyone will have different opinions. And to set prices from a central controller puts the value of products into the hands of a few.


Unless you have some magical idealised people with aligning ideologies and values, you ultimately will need dictatorial methods to keep it in line. But, Wincel disagrees and thinks you don't need this for successful communism.

I still haven't seen how this is going to work and he got banned before he could elaborate.

Good points Bodhy
Why did he get banned this time? If true that there are no new sign-ups..could be the last we see of him

The only socialism I believe in isnationalsocialism

Even Bodhy, a user that everyone seems to hate on for his left wing views, thinks communism is a highly flawed ideology that is destined to become a dictatorship. Says a lot really. The only reason Wincel was defending it is because he is so utterly brainwashed and indoctrinated into the ideology that he will perform the mental gymnastics needed to promote it whenever possible.There's no new sign ups? Funny how Wincel always seems to create that policy around here. Honestly, with all the new troll accounts we get, that will probably just make this a better community. I'm sure Wincel got himself banned the same way he usually does, being an unhinged psycho. That and he's a permabanned user so for him to have an active account here goes against the rules.

That's what I had seen others post last week, but I'm not sure. Don't think this place has had any new users for awhile it seems

Seems like about 95% of "new users" are wincel alts or some other old troll alts. Only once in a blue moon do we get a genuine new user who is actually a real user that just wants to hang out here.

The last remotely new individual I remember is Felix the Cat and even he is definitely someone's alt. Given that he came to the forum with the foreknowledge that Bodhy Derangement Syndrome was the recipe for reps.

Commies and Marxists suck donkey-dick like Joe Biden at a kiddie party.

Von Mises - lol

Doesn't change the fact that individual liberty/freedom is a primary tenet of Marxism.

Try reading Marx's works.

With you on this. Although, I would add, I don't think human nature is going very well with Capitalism these days, either.Much like yourself showed up one day in 2020 with a lot of previous knowledge. Although, you didn't really seem to be going after FtC for this, more just pointing out the obviousness of it.

Felix doesn't bother me but he is disturbingly prolific with thread-creation. Not that all my threads are bullseyes either, but that cat sure makes a lot - and not just in this section, either.

Is JLC the worst miscer of all time?

LGBTQ groomer agenda apologist
Vaxx gigashill
Commie

Good lord

Where's Rittenhouse when you need him?

Top tier name calling. Well done