How many of you are serious about protecting liberty?

There are a lot of pro-freedom and anti-communism or anti-totalitarianism miscers, but I question how serious a lot of you are. And if you guys are willing to give up some convenience for liberty?


This is how bad things are already...

From the Wall Street Journal:

"Mobile-phone users facilitate this data collection by granting access, usually in the form of a pop-up when the user opens an app, according to documents reviewed by the Journal and people familiar with the company. Since the phone also knows its own real-world location when it encounters a device, SignalFrame can then record and map where that device appears in space and time.

Such positioning technology is widely used in American corporations. When consumers give their phone apps permission, most are unaware their data about nearby devices is being used to help pinpoint the phone’s exact location. Retail outlets collect and analyze phone data to better understand consumer behavior or to send ads to the phones of consumers in their stores when they pass a Bluetooth “beacon” placed nearby.

The U.S. government, long interested in exploiting the capabilities of receivers in cellphones, has historically bought specialized devices to capitalize on these technologies and placed those devices in strategic locations. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies often use devices called “stingrays” that mimic commercial cellphone towers and collect data about all the cellphones in a given area."


https://web.archive.org/web/20201211...gs-11606478401



From the New York Times:

"Imagine you are shopping in your favorite grocery store. As you approach the dairy aisle, you are sent a push notification in your phone: “10 percent off your favorite yogurt! Click here to redeem your coupon.” You considered buying yogurt on your last trip to the store, but you decided against it. How did your phone know?

Your smartphone was tracking you. The grocery store got your location data and paid a shadowy group of marketers to use that information to target you with ads. Recent reports have noted how companies use data gathered from cell towers, ******t Wi-Fi, and GPS. But the location data industry has a much more precise, and unobtrusive, tool: Bluetooth beacons.

These beacons are small, inobtrusive electronic devices that are hidden throughout the grocery store; an app on your phone that communicates with them informed the company not only that you had entered the building, but that you had lingered for two minutes in front of the low-fat Chobanis."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...g-privacy.html




This is a more private and secure OS to Android that can still run Android apps:



https://calyxos.org


The favourite encrypted messenger of Edward Snowden and Journalists, and can be used on Graphene OS, Android and IOS... (Secure alternative to Whatsapp.)

https://signal.org


Also, don't use WIFI, use your mobile data instead. Every time you log into a WIFI network - public or private - it logs your location:



Using prepaid/pay as you go sim cards paid for with cash is best. Because phone contracts or card purchased sim cards will automatically link your government ID to your phone number, and so everything you do online can be automatically linked to your number and your therefore your government ID. You can also buy credit for those prepaid/pay as you go sim cards with cash or cryptocurrency.



For Iphone Miscers...

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/lockdo...y/id1469783711

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dnsclo...t/id1452162351

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/onion-browser/id519296448

https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/signal...er/id874139669

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/brave-...n/id1052879175

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/duckdu...er/id663592361

https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/cake-w...o/id1334702542

https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/tutanota/id922429609

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/proton...il/id979659905





Of course everything can be hacked, but the point that people like Edward Snowden and The Hated One (pseudonym of a hacker who gives privacy advice) make is that the goal is to make it as expensive and difficult for them as possible. Governments and corporations do not have an endless supply of computer processing power and I.T. security experts.

For those who think the mass data gathering of Corporations and Governments is no big deal, and you refuse to change any of your habits, please watch these 2 videos...








"I don't get it. Why are they confessing?"

"They're not confessing. They're bragging."

- The Big Short

Just lmfaooooo at *******s letting crapple get their full facial biometrics SMH

i mean i already registered face ID in 2017... doubt theres anything i can do know... deleting it wont do ****

Lolwut... I got some bad news brah. Any app you’ve allowed to access your camera at any point has your facial biometrics, which means the app owner and anyone they want to sell it to has it.

Oh wow you got me there. Not like that chit is any better. Apple however is KNOWN to store that chit and sell it to the chinese but yes apps like tiktok have been building profiles on zoomers this whole time also

If ads are supposed to be targeted to me they are doing an absolute chit job of it. I don't know if there's even been a single ad of anything I've watched and been like, yeah, this is something I want. When I have a desire for something I'll google reviews of various top products. In that sense google can very easily influence what I see, but I still don't see how straight up advertisement is supposed to work on me. I understand it's subliminal but they're nothing but an annoyance.

Fair enough, however this is beyond you as an individual. Like Alexander Nix talks about, the aggregate of the data that they gather, allows them to better manipulate populations. So even if you aren't personally influenced, the data they are gathering on you helps them to manipulate the population in general.They are.

Vid on how Google censors results on political grounds...



Bitchute link:https://www.bitchute.com/video/UspdphbJAvI/


Why Google censors results on political grounds...

Opie you bring up some good points and I appreciate your dedication to keeping this conversation going. I think privacy as we once knew it is completely gone. There are entities who constantly gather data on our activities and locations. At this point we will never stop it short of living in a tent in the woods, but that obviously isn’t worth it. I think we have to view it the same way we view security. No system is completely secure, and if it was it would t be accessible by anyone so it’s useless anyway. So you have to determine what risks you’re willing to accept and how much time and money you’re willing to spend on security. Everyone has to decide how much intrusion of privacy they’re willing to accept, and how much time and energy they’re willing to spend increasing privacy....and then decide if that time and money is worth the exchange. At this point they have all of our basic data, so I think the best we can hope for is to obfuscate our general activities and purchases to make them less effective at targeting us with ads or time-wasting videos/activities. I do keep my Bluetooth off unless I’m at home listening to something, and I never join a public network(and if it was a habit of mine I’d have a VPN). Here are a few basic tips of mine from an earlier threadhttps://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=179255781



Though I do think each topic I covered in that thread deserves its own conversation so we can go into a lot more detail about the digital stuff here. The difficult thing is that there is no easy way to measure how effective your approach is, though there are some ways to get an idea. Using the yogurt example, it would probably be somewhat easy to narrow it down to location tracking unless you had recently talked about yogurt. So in that case you could start looking into how your location could tracked and worked to offset it, and also review which apps can access your mic, and what data those apps can share. Like I said though, in today’s age you’ll have to accept some level of privacy intrusion unless you plan on wasting all of your time trying to make sure no one knows you thought about buying yogurt last week.

JFL if you do not own a second or third phone as an adult.

I agree.

Apple IOS 14 combined with the apps I recommended are probably the most consumer friendly and unobtrusive way of slowing down data harvesting.

The 2nd is installing Calyx OS on a Google Pixel phone, but that would require someone with the patience to learn how to do it, and learn a new OS for their phone.


I'll repeat what I wrote at the end of the video though (for lurkers)...

Of course everything can be hacked, but the point that people like Edward Snowden and The Hated One (pseudonym of a hacker who gives privacy advice) make is that the goal is to make it as expensive and difficult for them as possible. Governments and corporations do not have an endless supply of computer processing power and I.T. security experts.

The more difficult and expensive it is the less they will be able to engage in mass surveillance, and will have to turn to selective surveillance.

What? Apple is the most secure of any flagship brands and it's not even close. Do you not remember the san bernardino shooting where Apple denied the FBI access to anything on the terrorists phones? Newest iOS 14 is more centered around privacy as well. And now, they can boost up security because all of their computers are made in house. M1 Apple chips are so good that they're never going back to Intel again.


Been using iMessage for my bros with Apple devices and signal for my other friends w/ Androids. Brave browser and proton mail for everything else.

I thought that too, then this dude compiled the research that showed that Apple are no where near as pro-privacy as they claim. He even examines that particular case...



But with the right tweaking and apps installed, it is the most consumer friendly privacy option, like you said.

Apple is the most secure by far, but they will do whatever they want to with the data. Meanwhile other entities may be claim to support privacy more, but their platforms aren’t as secure so if a hack occurs there is no telling where that data will end up. I personally have always used apple for my smartphone. Of course, at this point all of the general data like age,height, addresses, financial history, etc. has already been unveiled and is out, never to be reigned in again. As you point out the more important approach at this point is to try to obscure daily habits so that their incessant bombarding with ads, time sinks, propaganda, etc. aren’t as strategically tailored to entice us personally.

Hacker brah gives quick tips on how to give your Smartphone more privacy, for normies using Android or IOS...

Nice thread. I'm long overdue for changing numbers and keeping a spare or two.
I wish I could install a secure OS, but I have an LGV20 which I love and it seems like there's some problem with functionality with custom ROMs.
At least I try to avoid using the playstore and get everything from F-droid.
Gotta stop using Gmail too.
So much to do...

Don't use a phone/thread

Or invest in a satellite phone and look into encryption.

I don't think that's realistic for the general public (I don't use a Smartphone), advising them how to make their smartphone more private is.

Also, there's no need for all or nothing thinking, like I mentioned at the end of the OP. The goal is to make mass and individual surveillance economically difficult, because corporations and government don't have an endless supply of resources and I.T. security experts.



There are a number of options ranging from...


High level and the most affordable:

Graphene OS installed on a Google Pixel phone - The most private OS for smartphones.

Calyx OS installed on a Google Pixel phone - A close second.



Decent consumer level privacy:

Iphone OS - Decent privacy, with the right apps install.



Hardware and software designed for privacy:

https://puri.sm

You think you're safe from this just because you didn't set up facial recognition? Have you ever taken or posted a picture of your face anything, ever?