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Forum ยป Which is better? Being same size and having same strength but being heavy or light?
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Thread: Which is better? Being same size and having same strength but being heavy or light?

post 1637124123 04-26-2021, 09:52 AM
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Which is better? Being same size and having same strength but being heavy or light?

So, two people with indiscernible muscle volume and bf level along with b s d strength. One is 15 lbs heavier. Same height, not a riddle lol.


Is such a thing even practical? Where does it start making a difference?

edit: I'm not really sure if height and bf% are factorial but yeah.
post 1637124953 04-26-2021, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
Lighter is obviously better. That said, the body isn't stupid, muscle is muscle for the most part. Unless you're blasting hardcore celltech, strength and muscle are probably going to be highly correlated.
Yeah light as a feather probably.

And true dat it's correlated I know, but it's absolutely not a physical law for introspective purposes.

It's not really supposed to be examining strength training approaches.
post 1637124983 04-26-2021, 10:01 AM
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For what purpose? In competitions it's useful to get into lower weight classes. For real life, doesn't matter at all nobody cares how much you lift.
post 1637125563 04-26-2021, 10:10 AM
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3/3 responders so far. Thanks guy.
post 1637135143 04-26-2021, 12:18 PM
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Depends. If you're a fighter or athlete it's advantageous to be lighter (bc weight class). If you're a normal guy it's probably better to be heavier since it makes you harder to knock over.

Kinda weird scenario
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Originally Posted By lurker654⏩
Depends. If you're a fighter or athlete it's advantageous to be lighter (bc weight class). If you're a normal guy it's probably better to be heavier since it makes you harder to knock over.

Kinda weird scenario
My first impression was kind of the opposite with fighting because I was thinking it would be harder to move you, especially if you're specific power level makes up for lack of speed.

How about if they end up in the same weight class though?
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Depends on what purpose. For performance, being lighter would be better, more pullups, higher vertical, higher acceleration/velocity, etc. For a street fight, being heavier and more dense would be better, more weight behind the punch, hardter to knock down or push around etc.


Id take being heavier solely for the reason of having a higher metabolism lol. Thats like an extra 400 calories to your daily caloric needs, thats like 2 poptarts son
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
What should put an end to even wondering about this is that the Chinese weightlifting team does a lot of bodybuilding work.

Weightlifting is a weight class sport so lighter and stronger is better but the #1 team still sees value in adding muscle so there you go.
Really, literally every weightlifting team sees the value in adding muscle and does hypertrophy work.

The Chinese team "bodybuilding work" differs from that of other teams in that they do stuff like weighted pullups and train muscles like the biceps more, which are traditionally valued in bodybuilding but not so much in weightlifting.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Depends on what purpose. For performance, being lighter would be better, more pullups, higher vertical, higher acceleration/velocity, etc. For a street fight, being heavier and more dense would be better, more weight behind the punch, hardter to knock down or push around etc.

Id take being heavier solely for the reason of having a higher metabolism lol. Thats like an extra 400 calories to your daily caloric needs, thats like 2 poptarts son
Your punch would have same striking power because if A and B are same strength, B would be heavier mass moved, but moved slower. A would be a lighter mass moved, but moved faster. It would cancel out because the system producing the punch is the same.
Originally Posted By GeneralSerpant⏩
My first impression was kind of the opposite with fighting because I was thinking it would be harder to move you, especially if you're specific power level makes up for lack of speed.

How about if they end up in the same weight class though?
If you're in the same weight class, I guess the heavier guy probably wins. The only thing working against a heavier guy is stamina and speed.
Heavier guy will be harder to knock down.
Originally Posted By legbroke⏩
Really, literally every weightlifting team sees the value in adding muscle and does hypertrophy work.

The Chinese team "bodybuilding work" differs from that of other teams in that they do stuff like weighted pullups and train muscles like the biceps more, which are traditionally valued in bodybuilding but not so much in weightlifting.
muscle mass potentiates strength. All strength athletes (should) aim to carry as much lean mass as possible without exceeding their weight class - the only reason they don't train like bodybuilders year round is because strength is a quality that also requires highly specific training and you only have limited resources to devote to training.

Not relevant to OP though because he's saying that person A and B are identical except for body weight.
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Originally Posted By lurker654⏩
Your punch would have same striking power because if A and B are same strength, B would be heavier mass moved, but moved slower. A would be a lighter mass moved, but moved faster. It would cancel out because the system producing the punch is the same.
This is interesting.

Assuming same technique, same strenght, same reach, the only difference would be weight and speed which are directly correlated.

Would a guy, say, 185 pounds, would be 7.5% faster than a guy that is 200 lbs? I dont think so, i dont think speed and weight are 100% correlated proportionally but i may be wrong, as fighting science is not my thing lol.

Maybe the lighter guy is 1% faster, but is that 1% extra speed gonna make up for the 7.5% extra weight behind the punch?
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Originally Posted By lurker654⏩
Not relevant to OP though
I have a feeling it's relevant beyond the framing of the original question. As in not irrelevant if that makes more sense. At the least I'm curious about the dynamic in general.
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