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An Idea To Fix Falling Birth Rates
Not mine, and not sure it is optimal, but would it be BETTER than what we have going on now with the ocean of single moms?
Any of you high value men ready to start your own harem of sister wives?

How do we increase the birth rate of a country?
This answer is for contemporary America, although it may apply to other countries as well.
There are several reasons why people are having fewer children now than they did in the past, but many of those reasons come down to two main things:
- They can’t find the right partner.
- They can’t afford children. Either they can’t afford the expenses, or they can’t afford to take time off of work to have and raise a child.
- With that in mind, if your goal were simply to increase the birth rate without considering any negative side effects,* then the solution is simple:
Make polygamy legal and culturally acceptable.
Allow those who can afford children to have as many spouses as they wish, and have children with those spouses if they wish.
I know at least four people in their 30s and 40s who want children, but can’t find the right person to have them with, or can’t afford children, and they know that the window is starting to close on them. I’d bet, if it were legally and culturally acceptable, they’d consider being someone’s second or third spouse, if that someone would make a good parent, and having a child with that someone wouldn’t be a financial burden.
https://qr.ae/pvsJm6This answer is for contemporary America, although it may apply to other countries as well.
There are several reasons why people are having fewer children now than they did in the past, but many of those reasons come down to two main things:
- They can’t find the right partner.
- They can’t afford children. Either they can’t afford the expenses, or they can’t afford to take time off of work to have and raise a child.
- With that in mind, if your goal were simply to increase the birth rate without considering any negative side effects,* then the solution is simple:
Make polygamy legal and culturally acceptable.
Allow those who can afford children to have as many spouses as they wish, and have children with those spouses if they wish.
I know at least four people in their 30s and 40s who want children, but can’t find the right person to have them with, or can’t afford children, and they know that the window is starting to close on them. I’d bet, if it were legally and culturally acceptable, they’d consider being someone’s second or third spouse, if that someone would make a good parent, and having a child with that someone wouldn’t be a financial burden.
Any of you high value men ready to start your own harem of sister wives?

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lmao. I love a good threesome as much as the next guy that's as far as I'd ever go. The second best part of having two women over is when one of them leaves.
Just imagine when their cycles all sync up and you've got 3 of them bleeding all over your house, nothx.
Just imagine when their cycles all sync up and you've got 3 of them bleeding all over your house, nothx.
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Increasing the birth rate alone isn't the issue. If millions of single moms (or in the case of the OP degenerate "polygamy" families) suddenly starting having 30 kids it would be a disaster. The key is increasing the birthrate in two-parent homes.
To me it seems obvious that the child tax credit needs to only apply to two-parent homes. That way, there is an incentive to not only have kids, but to remain together for the entirety of the time you claim them as a tax credit (which is supposed to be for things which help society, i.e. donating to charity).
Wanna get divorced? Okey doke, your kids are now a burden on society because they have a statistically higher chance of degen/criminal behavior. You lose your tax credit because you have stopped helping society.
To me it seems obvious that the child tax credit needs to only apply to two-parent homes. That way, there is an incentive to not only have kids, but to remain together for the entirety of the time you claim them as a tax credit (which is supposed to be for things which help society, i.e. donating to charity).
Wanna get divorced? Okey doke, your kids are now a burden on society because they have a statistically higher chance of degen/criminal behavior. You lose your tax credit because you have stopped helping society.
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Men realize marriage and having children is a scam
even worse is that most men don’t even have the opportunity to do that in the first place cause women want to lock down chads, but can’t.
even worse is that most men don’t even have the opportunity to do that in the first place cause women want to lock down chads, but can’t.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Well yeah exactly, there's no way that it would ever go through because it would run into the immediate woke argument of "who said having two-parent opposite-sex households was a good thing BIGOT?!"That's genius. Seriously, not being sarcastic.
Too bad it flies in the face of the current "woke" culture and everyone's entitlement.
Too bad it flies in the face of the current "woke" culture and everyone's entitlement.
It's like, uh, nature?
04-18-2022, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
How does that help with the birth rate though? Men don't have babies.This.
Just LOL at anyone who signs up for this chit.
I have a simpler solution - men need to start being men again, and not effeminate soyboys.
Heck, even here on the misc we seem to have mostly soyboys.
Just LOL at anyone who signs up for this chit.
I have a simpler solution - men need to start being men again, and not effeminate soyboys.
Heck, even here on the misc we seem to have mostly soyboys.

Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
lollmao. I love a good threesome as much as the next guy that's as far as I'd ever go. The second best part of having two women over is when one of them leaves.
Just imagine when their cycles all sync up and you've got 3 of them bleeding all over your house, nothx.
Just imagine when their cycles all sync up and you've got 3 of them bleeding all over your house, nothx.
Considered the same thing. I think that is why the sister wives all had separate yards.
Another post from the comments-

How much do you want to bet he had a bed of some kind in his workshop?

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change the marriage laws to ensure that they are fully equitable for men and women with equal access and where no one gets screwed financially
vastly cut back on gubmint incentives for women to raise children in single parent households
incentivise tax breaks for married heterosexual couples to raise their children together
vastly cut back on gubmint incentives for women to raise children in single parent households
incentivise tax breaks for married heterosexual couples to raise their children together
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.change the marriage laws to ensure that they are fully equitable for men and women with equal access and where no one gets screwed financially
vastly cut back on gubmint incentives for women to raise children in single parent households
incentivise tax breaks for married heterosexual couples to raise their children together
vastly cut back on gubmint incentives for women to raise children in single parent households
incentivise tax breaks for married heterosexual couples to raise their children together
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Nah, they'll just import ****** Easier to let 3rd world chitholes do the birthing for you and then pick the cream of their crop.
ETA: just followed the link to that Quora post and realized that I had already upvoted it in the past, lmao. Matthew Bates is ludicrously based.
ETA: just followed the link to that Quora post and realized that I had already upvoted it in the past, lmao. Matthew Bates is ludicrously based.
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04-18-2022, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
Well I think you need them to get married in the first place for that to work. And fewer and fewer people seem to be up for that.Increasing the birth rate alone isn't the issue. If millions of single moms (or in the case of the OP degenerate "polygamy" families) suddenly starting having 30 kids it would be a disaster. The key is increasing the birthrate in two-parent homes.
To me it seems obvious that the child tax credit needs to only apply to two-parent homes. That way, there is an incentive to not only have kids, but to remain together for the entirety of the time you claim them as a tax credit (which is supposed to be for things which help society, i.e. donating to charity).
Wanna get divorced? Okey doke, your kids are now a burden on society because they have a statistically higher chance of degen/criminal behavior. You lose your tax credit because you have stopped helping society.
To me it seems obvious that the child tax credit needs to only apply to two-parent homes. That way, there is an incentive to not only have kids, but to remain together for the entirety of the time you claim them as a tax credit (which is supposed to be for things which help society, i.e. donating to charity).
Wanna get divorced? Okey doke, your kids are now a burden on society because they have a statistically higher chance of degen/criminal behavior. You lose your tax credit because you have stopped helping society.
I've rattled on a bit here [or R&P?] about the general need to raise the quality of parenting, maybe with a license to have and raise babies- as in adding a course in public high school on basic child rearing and having a test to get your license equivalent to getting a driver's license.
Give everyone all the free birth control they can stand [pills, devices, surgeries...I don't care] then if you have a child you have to get [or have] your license in order to get government benefits or tax benefits. Require a "refresher" if it has been more than 5 years since someone got their license or had a child.
We could at least reduce ignorance.
Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
Okay.Men realize marriage and having children is a scam
even worse is that most men don’t even have the opportunity to do that in the first place cause women want to lock down chads, but can’t.
even worse is that most men don’t even have the opportunity to do that in the first place cause women want to lock down chads, but can’t.
But wouldn't this be working WITH that?
Best/most desirable men get the most women and children?
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
^ ^ ^ ^ ^The issue isn't quantity, it's quality. We need less people not more.
In olden time, the word manpower was literal. More men = more farming and = more soldiers. Modern technology means we don't need mass manpower for either anymore. The vast majority of men these days have literally no productive reason to exist.
In olden time, the word manpower was literal. More men = more farming and = more soldiers. Modern technology means we don't need mass manpower for either anymore. The vast majority of men these days have literally no productive reason to exist.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
There really is a correlation between the amount of soy someone consumes and their use of emojisHeck, even here on the misc we seem to have mostly soyboys.

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Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
Always thought this as well. Child tax credit should only be for married couplesIncreasing the birth rate alone isn't the issue. If millions of single moms (or in the case of the OP degenerate "polygamy" families) suddenly starting having 30 kids it would be a disaster. The key is increasing the birthrate in two-parent homes.
To me it seems obvious that the child tax credit needs to only apply to two-parent homes. That way, there is an incentive to not only have kids, but to remain together for the entirety of the time you claim them as a tax credit (which is supposed to be for things which help society, i.e. donating to charity).
Wanna get divorced? Okey doke, your kids are now a burden on society because they have a statistically higher chance of degen/criminal behavior. You lose your tax credit because you have stopped helping society.
To me it seems obvious that the child tax credit needs to only apply to two-parent homes. That way, there is an incentive to not only have kids, but to remain together for the entirety of the time you claim them as a tax credit (which is supposed to be for things which help society, i.e. donating to charity).
Wanna get divorced? Okey doke, your kids are now a burden on society because they have a statistically higher chance of degen/criminal behavior. You lose your tax credit because you have stopped helping society.
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Pretty tough to find multiple girls who are down with this and fit in all the important ways. My woman's friend lived with us for a few months and was pushing to make us a throuple, but she doesn't fit in the other ways and so nothing has fully materialized
I would totally have a harem tho
I would totally have a harem tho
04-18-2022, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
These are all good. If we could also somehow bring back sloot shaming (be it via a religion or whatever) then that would also vastly help.change the marriage laws to ensure that they are fully equitable for men and women with equal access and where no one gets screwed financially
vastly cut back on gubmint incentives for women to raise children in single parent households
incentivise tax breaks for married heterosexual couples to raise their children together
vastly cut back on gubmint incentives for women to raise children in single parent households
incentivise tax breaks for married heterosexual couples to raise their children together
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democrats already have a plan


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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Importing bodies from other countries can increase population. Not the same as increasing the birth rate. And birth rates have been falling across the globe.Nah, they'll just import ****** Easier to let 3rd world chitholes do the birthing for you and then pick the cream of their crop.
ETA: just followed the link to that Quora post and realized that I had already upvoted it in the past, lmao. Matthew Bates is ludicrously based.
ETA: just followed the link to that Quora post and realized that I had already upvoted it in the past, lmao. Matthew Bates is ludicrously based.
At the end of May, the Chinese Government announced that parents in China would now be permitted to have up to three children. This announcement came only five years after the stunning reversal of the 1980 one-child policy.
Something is clearly going on.
That something is that China has experienced a fertility collapse. According to the latest census released in May, China is losing roughly 400,000 people every year. China still claims its population is growing, but even if these projections are taken at face value, the population decline previously projected to start by midcentury may now begin as early as 2030. This means China could lose between 600 and 700 million people from its population by 2100.
That’s right: 600 and 700 million people, or about half of its total population today.
Why should you care about population decline? Fewer people are good for the climate, but the economic consequences are severe. In the 1960s, there were six people of working age for every retired person. Today, the ratio is three-to-one. By 2035, it will be two-to-one.
Some say we must learn to curb our obsession with growth, to become less consumer-obsessed, to learn to manage with a smaller population. That sounds very attractive. But who will buy the stuff you sell? Who will pay for your healthcare and pension when you get old?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/...y-why-matters/Something is clearly going on.
That something is that China has experienced a fertility collapse. According to the latest census released in May, China is losing roughly 400,000 people every year. China still claims its population is growing, but even if these projections are taken at face value, the population decline previously projected to start by midcentury may now begin as early as 2030. This means China could lose between 600 and 700 million people from its population by 2100.
That’s right: 600 and 700 million people, or about half of its total population today.
Why should you care about population decline? Fewer people are good for the climate, but the economic consequences are severe. In the 1960s, there were six people of working age for every retired person. Today, the ratio is three-to-one. By 2035, it will be two-to-one.
Some say we must learn to curb our obsession with growth, to become less consumer-obsessed, to learn to manage with a smaller population. That sounds very attractive. But who will buy the stuff you sell? Who will pay for your healthcare and pension when you get old?
Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
Despite misc common wisdom having babies isn't so great for women [at least in the US] even with current divorce laws and government programs.change the marriage laws to ensure that they are fully equitable for men and women with equal access and where no one gets screwed financially
vastly cut back on gubmint incentives for women to raise children in single parent households
incentivise tax breaks for married heterosexual couples to raise their children together
vastly cut back on gubmint incentives for women to raise children in single parent households
incentivise tax breaks for married heterosexual couples to raise their children together

Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Oh, I know how babies happen. But today we have birth control and legal [for now] abortion.I never thought I would have to explain to you how babies are made, I thought you had kid(s) already?

Simply sowing your oats isn't enough to get it done boyo. That seed has to be watered and tended to.

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That kind of stuff never works. And I also doubt any high value woman would go for it.
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
Yea maybe if you're behind a computer. Did you write your own story, bro?Modern technology means we don't need mass manpower for either anymore. The vast majority of men these days have literally no productive reason to exist.
Lol at you thinking the building you're in was built by itself
Also, as to the op, I think it's retarded. And would end retardedly
What's the biggest problem with the falling birth rate? That when my generation is older there will be no one take care of them and then the burden will fall on a newer generation of society?
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Need to make children cheaper so good parents stop waiting. The poor people will keep having kids anyway.
I don't want two wives. Too much work.
I don't want two wives. Too much work.
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Lol @ them coping and deflecting blame
Yeah, every man wants to just keep adding to the chance that he'll get divorce raped by the government
Brb 50% chance one woman will divorce rape you
75% chance with 2
87.5% chance with 3
Etc
No intelligent man with any amount of wealth will marry more than one woman and risk losing it all
Yeah, every man wants to just keep adding to the chance that he'll get divorce raped by the government
Brb 50% chance one woman will divorce rape you
75% chance with 2
87.5% chance with 3
Etc
No intelligent man with any amount of wealth will marry more than one woman and risk losing it all
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
THISlmao @ any man with sense wanting to marry not one, but multiple modern western "empowered" and "liberated" harpies.
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
THISThis.
Just LOL at anyone who signs up for this chit.
I have a simpler solution - men need to start being men again, and not effeminate soyboys.
Heck, even here on the misc we seem to have mostly soyboys.
Just LOL at anyone who signs up for this chit.
I have a simpler solution - men need to start being men again, and not effeminate soyboys.
Heck, even here on the misc we seem to have mostly soyboys.

Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
THATlmao. I love a good threesome as much as the next guy that's as far as I'd ever go. The second best part of having two women over is when one of them leaves.
Just imagine when their cycles all sync up and you've got 3 of them bleeding all over your house, nothx.
Just imagine when their cycles all sync up and you've got 3 of them bleeding all over your house, nothx.
Originally Posted By TomWanks⏩
THIS ALSOIncreasing the birth rate alone isn't the issue. If millions of single moms (or in the case of the OP degenerate "polygamy" families) suddenly starting having 30 kids it would be a disaster. The key is increasing the birthrate in two-parent homes.
To me it seems obvious that the child tax credit needs to only apply to two-parent homes. That way, there is an incentive to not only have kids, but to remain together for the entirety of the time you claim them as a tax credit (which is supposed to be for things which help society, i.e. donating to charity).
Wanna get divorced? Okey doke, your kids are now a burden on society because they have a statistically higher chance of degen/criminal behavior. You lose your tax credit because you have stopped helping society.
To me it seems obvious that the child tax credit needs to only apply to two-parent homes. That way, there is an incentive to not only have kids, but to remain together for the entirety of the time you claim them as a tax credit (which is supposed to be for things which help society, i.e. donating to charity).
Wanna get divorced? Okey doke, your kids are now a burden on society because they have a statistically higher chance of degen/criminal behavior. You lose your tax credit because you have stopped helping society.
Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
THAT ALSOchange the marriage laws to ensure that they are fully equitable for men and women with equal access and where no one gets screwed financially
vastly cut back on gubmint incentives for women to raise children in single parent households
incentivise tax breaks for married heterosexual couples to raise their children together
vastly cut back on gubmint incentives for women to raise children in single parent households
incentivise tax breaks for married heterosexual couples to raise their children together
Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
THIS AS WELLThe issue isn't quantity, it's quality. We need less people not more.
In olden times, the word manpower was literal. More men = more farming and = more soldiers. Modern technology means we don't need mass manpower for either anymore. The vast majority of men these days have literally no productive reason to exist.
In olden times, the word manpower was literal. More men = more farming and = more soldiers. Modern technology means we don't need mass manpower for either anymore. The vast majority of men these days have literally no productive reason to exist.
Originally Posted By Dogkrack⏩
AND THIStax credits and ending usury are all that's needed
I will only add, this only works if men can start beating women again.
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Lol. Not gonna happen, certainly not in sufficient number to account for incoming <= 0.5 per woman birth rate I'm estimating for western Zoomers.
Also the reluctance to have kids and marriage is largely due to a shift in values, which isn't something you can fix politically.
Mass Immigration is much easier for the elites.
Also the reluctance to have kids and marriage is largely due to a shift in values, which isn't something you can fix politically.
Mass Immigration is much easier for the elites.
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Originally Posted By Dogkrack⏩
Ending usury would fix a lot of things. It would also require a complete redo of our monetary and economic system- which we may be facing no matter what, but done to the advantage of the present "winners" if they can get it done.tax credits and ending usury are all that's needed
Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
That kind of stuff never works. And I also doubt any high value woman would go for it.
Originally Posted By Destor⏩
I'm fine with it in theory given everyone is in it voluntarily.Pretty tough to find multiple girls who are down with this and fit in all the important ways. My woman's friend lived with us for a few months and was pushing to make us a throuple, but she doesn't fit in the other ways and so nothing has fully materialized
I would totally have a harem tho
I would totally have a harem tho
I miss having a "person", but I like alone time too. Not living full time in the same house with my person seems like it could be a good thing so far as not becoming annoyed with each other's habits and not having to be "on" all the time.
'Cause let's be real- you can only hold in a fart for so long.
And sometimes you are just in a pissy mood and get mad about petty chit that normally wouldn't phase you.For some people [most?] exclusivity is an absolute must have. I guess I'm not sure if that is natural or if it stems from fear or jealousy. Like are you upset at the idea of sharing or afraid that you won't get your fair share and might be slighted or feel less than in some way?
Would it be a bad idea for men [or women
] with more drive and stamina to openly have multiple families?Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
Total economic and social collapse? It's possible if we don't figure out how to manage degrowth.Yea maybe if you're behind a computer. Did you write your own story, bro?
Lol at you thinking the building you're in was built by itself
Also, as to the op, I think it's retarded. And would end retardedly
What's the biggest problem with the falling birth rate?That when my generation is older there will be no one take care of them and then the burden will fall on a newer generation of society?
Lol at you thinking the building you're in was built by itself
Also, as to the op, I think it's retarded. And would end retardedly
What's the biggest problem with the falling birth rate?That when my generation is older there will be no one take care of them and then the burden will fall on a newer generation of society?
Why should you care about population decline? Fewer people are good for the climate, butthe economic consequences are severe. In the 1960s, there were six people of working age for every retired person. Today, the ratio is three-to-one. By 2035, it will be two-to-one.
Some say we must learn to curb our obsession with growth, to become less consumer-obsessed, to learn to manage with a smaller population. That sounds very attractive. But who will buy the stuff you sell? Who will pay for your healthcare and pension when you get old?
Our entire system has been set up for "more, more, more". Fiat is lent into existence.Some say we must learn to curb our obsession with growth, to become less consumer-obsessed, to learn to manage with a smaller population. That sounds very attractive. But who will buy the stuff you sell? Who will pay for your healthcare and pension when you get old?
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
Mass immigration makes the most sense economically...but that doesn't explain the anti-white sentiment. Unless it's emboldening non-whites for whatever reason.Mass Immigration is much easier for the elites.
Still think it makes the most sense feminism + immigration came about nefariously. Supposed to disrupt the u.s. as we see. As opposed to the u.s. willingly writing their own demise
04-18-2022, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
No doubt about it.Mass immigration makes the most sense economically...but that doesn't explain the anti-white sentiment. Unless it's emboldening non-whites for whatever reason.
Still think it makes the most sense feminism + immigration came about nefariously. Supposed to disrupt the u.s. as we see. As opposed to the u.s. willingly writing their own demise
Still think it makes the most sense feminism + immigration came about nefariously. Supposed to disrupt the u.s. as we see. As opposed to the u.s. willingly writing their own demise
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