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post 1696111373 01-09-2024, 07:14 AM
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*** official Trump DC appeals hearing thread ***

9:30am today

Live stream



This appeal is for presidential immunity- and double jeopardy.


What should happen

-it gets rejected today (because of "first impression" Nixon Fitzgerald)

-it gets appealed to full circuit - where it also gets rejected for same reason

- Then it gets appealed to where it becomes open season. As well once it gets to scotus, they can expand beyond the reason of appeal to anything regarding the case.


William Shipley's take
"He will not win CADC because they are not writing on a blank slate. There is enough language in various decisions over time that CADC would be breaking from prior decisions to find, as a matter of first impression, that a former POTUS has criminal immunity.

But POTUS gets to write on a blank slate. Nixon v. Fitzgerald means nothing as the issue was neither briefed nor argued before the Court. A few words in a footnote from a 40 year old case will not influence the outcome. The policy issues raised in Nixon that FAVORED immunity, on the other hand, remain the same today -- and maybe even more significantly than they did four decades ago.

And US v. Nixon doesn't get you there either because the balancing of the claim of immunity from production in that case came against the due process rights - potentially to exculpatory evidence - of the Watergate defendants. Not being immune to a court order requiring the production of material needed by Nixon's own DOJ to meet its due process obligations is not remotely close to the question of immunity for prosecution by the political opposition after leaving office."
A few big wrinkles though

1. An amicus brief filed by American oversight -the court has accepted to be heard on from both parties- that says if rejected, it should go back to the judge for trial instead of appeal for Supreme Court- that scotus appeal would happen after trial.

https://t.co/3dUK3Mrc9Z

The court agreeing with that wouldn't be good for Trump.


2 An amicus brief filed by Meese that states Jack Smith wasn't qualified to be special prosecutor (this can also be considered by scotus later)


https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=184638383


If that happens - entire thing could be thrown out - and a new prosecutor has to redo the charges all the way back to Grand jury.







Also - this my Trump case law following for live updates from both extreme lefty and righties- multiple professors.

post 1696111543 01-09-2024, 07:19 AM
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No thread needed. Just the expert legal analysis of miscinbro
post 1696111673 01-09-2024, 07:21 AM
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Also, Trump is in attendance today, which I think is a mistake.
post 1696111963 01-09-2024, 07:29 AM
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2 Biden judges and a cuck H.Dubya Bush judge? Lmao, zero chance they rule in Trump’s favor.

I actively disagree it’s a mistake for him to attend. He needs to be visible for all of these political persecutions. Stay front and center of it all. It reminds the public what they’re doing to our country.
post 1696112173 01-09-2024, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted By GuineaDago585⏩
2 Biden judges and a cuck H.Dubya Bush judge? Lmao, zero chance they rule in Trump’s favor.

I actively disagree it’s a mistake for him to attend. He needs to be visible for all of these political persecutions. Stay front and center of it all. It reminds the public what they’re doing to our country.
He's most likely going to get rejected today. He most likely would get rejected by three conservatives, as a matter of "fist impression". The same conservatives from scotus position might consider in his favor though.


The big injustice, this lib panel could do- is agree with the amicus - and move it back to trial with no scotus appeal.
post 1696112233 01-09-2024, 07:35 AM
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This judge sounds full TDS mode
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
This judge sounds full TDS mode
Totally unhinged. I can barely stand to listen to her. The Trump lawyer’s sandpaper voice isn’t helping lmao although he’s arguing facts and she’s using emotion. Typical.
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
This judge sounds full TDS mode
Agreed.
post 1696113713 01-09-2024, 08:10 AM
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3-0 loss coming for Trump for sure - Hopefully they ignore they amicus and let appeal
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Trumps lawyer is gonna lose

But damn he is smart as fuk / amazing performance.


Anyone on the left or right should listen.
post 1696115143 01-09-2024, 08:51 AM
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who was the dude talking before the raspy dude near the end
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Originally Posted By Procta⏩
who was the dude talking before the raspy dude near the end
The raspy dude is Trump lawyer, the other dude was the assistant prosecutor
post 1696116843 01-09-2024, 09:34 AM
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fair & balanced journalism


Hot Mic Catches Journos Laughing and Joking About Trump Being Assassinated At Appeals Court
https://www.mediaite.com/news/hot-mi...ssassinated-at
Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
The raspy dude is Trump lawyer, the other dude was the assistant prosecutor
The rasp takes so much away from the guy's words

the assistant dude seemed hopped up on something

I need to start it from the top
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post 1696116933 01-09-2024, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted By Procta⏩
fair & balanced journalism


Hot Mic Catches Journos Laughing and Joking About Trump Being Assassinated At Appeals Court
https://www.mediaite.com/news/hot-mi...ssassinated-at



The rasp takes so much away from the guy's words

the assistant dude seemed hopped up on something

I need to start it from the top
It was a dead case from the beginning - immunity will (and should) be decided at SCOTUS.

The questions is if they let it get there pre-trial


Given what he had to work with - Trumps lawyers was incredible


Hopefully this moves to full circuit then SCOTUS
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