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The usual suspects?

600 people and not one person with smartphone to capture video of the fighting?

The usual suspects?

5-600 people running running jogging through park and fighting? That's a chit ton of people.

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These are your people. They are the product of the system you embrace. I want to overthrow this system. I want to fix it. But you want this. You defend this, Dave. This is you.

These are your people. They are the product of the system you embrace. I want to overthrow this system. I want to fix it. But you want this. You defend this, Dave. This is you.

Most of this boils down to chit ass education, fail parenting, and a culture that is too free and too lax. It sounds insane and unAmerican, and not to go full dictator mode here, but you really need to break the people in. People are not born civilized. They are made to be civil and social via coercion. That doesn't necessarily mean beating the crap out of your kids, but from the ground up, at an early age, parents and teachers should impose a strict, disciplined, and rigorous lifestyle on the children. You really need people to be conditioned from an early age to understand that acting out will be harshly retaliated against. This is something Americans largely do not do, and it is a thing mostly unique about us. In no other country will you find well fed, clothed, and housed people behave in such an unruly manner when gathered into a mob. There are too many little things to go into about fixing all of this, ranging from employment, drug policies, social support, policing and how it is done, incarceration, public education, exposure to violent media, propaganda and indoctrination to socialize people, etc. But basically, all aspects of life that affect parenting and childhood are places to target. I mean, this wouldn't ever happen in a totalitarian dystopia, but life wouldn't be as fun. You probably wouldn't have crowds gathering at theme parks. Instead, people would be studying or working.

We used to have theme parks and not have things like this happen. But we used to also have a more equal society, with fewer people incarcerated or on drugs, and people had grown up with stricter harsher parents and more parental attention.

Most of this boils down to chit ass education, fail parenting, and a culture that is too free and too lax. It sounds insane and unAmerican, and not to go full dictator mode here, but you really need to break the people in. People are not born civilized. They are made to be civil and social via coercion. That doesn't necessarily mean beating the crap out of your kids, but from the ground up, at an early age, parents and teachers should impose a strict, disciplined, and rigorous lifestyle on the children. You really need people to be conditioned from an early age to understand that acting out will be harshly retaliated against. This is something Americans largely do not do, and it is a thing mostly unique about us. In no other country will you find well fed, clothed, and housed people behave in such an unruly manner when gathered into a mob. There are too many little things to go into about fixing all of this, ranging from employment, drug policies, social support, policing and how it is done, incarceration, public education, exposure to violent media, propaganda and indoctrination to socialize people, etc. But basically, all aspects of life that affect parenting and childhood are places to target. I mean, this wouldn't ever happen in a totalitarian dystopia, but life wouldn't be as fun. You probably wouldn't have crowds gathering at theme parks. Instead, people would be studying or working.

We used to have theme parks and not have things like this happen. But we used to also have a more equal society, with fewer people incarcerated or on drugs, and people had grown up with stricter harsher parents and more parental attention. We don't have to turn into a totalitarian hellscape, but we do need to move closer in that direction and away from the "I do what I want!" mentality, which BTW is a feature of both left and right wing people in this country. Look at how the right threw a tantrum to defy covid rules. Same kind of thing. This "I do what I want" attitude is the issue. It needs to be beaten out of the population.

Most of this boils down to chit ass education, fail parenting, and a culture that is too free and too lax. It sounds insane and unAmerican, and not to go full dictator mode here, but you really need to break the people in. People are not born civilized. They are made to be civil and social via coercion. That doesn't necessarily mean beating the crap out of your kids, but from the ground up, at an early age, parents and teachers should impose a strict, disciplined, and rigorous lifestyle on the children. You really need people to be conditioned from an early age to understand that acting out will be harshly retaliated against. This is something Americans largely do not do, and it is a thing mostly unique about us. In no other country will you find well fed, clothed, and housed people behave in such an unruly manner when gathered into a mob. There are too many little things to go into about fixing all of this, ranging from employment, drug policies, social support, policing and how it is done, incarceration, public education, exposure to violent media, propaganda and indoctrination to socialize people, etc. But basically, all aspects of life that affect parenting and childhood are places to target. I mean, this wouldn't ever happen in a totalitarian dystopia, but life wouldn't be as fun. You probably wouldn't have crowds gathering at theme parks. Instead, people would be studying or working.

We used to have theme parks and not have things like this happen. But we used to also have a more equal society, with fewer people incarcerated or on drugs, and people had grown up with stricter harsher parents and more parental attention. We don't have to turn into a totalitarian hellscape, but we do need to move closer in that direction and away from the "I do what I want!" mentality, which BTW is a feature of both left and right wing people in this country. Look at how the right threw a tantrum to defy covid rules. Same kind of thing. This "I do what I want" attitude is the issue. It needs to be beaten out of the population.

Nuclear families are trash. Extended families are way better. Supporting medicine is not the same as supporting big pharma.

600 people and not one person with smartphone to capture video of the fighting?

I wish there was a realistic way to reform how we incarcerate people in this country. If you get arrested, your life is basically over (automatically excluded from a large number of job opportunities, many forms of higher education, etc). What incentive is there for someone recently released to become a law abiding citizen when they've been barred from the vast majority of means to better themselves?

The fact they went to jail in the first place meant they probably weren't in a safe nurturing environment, and now, having a criminal record just placed even MORE restrictions on what they can do in life. Hell they probably feel more "free"/respected in jail, since the people in jail probably respect them for "street cred" or whatever the hell it is gangs are into these days further perpetuating gang culture in their life.