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08-08-2024, 06:25 PM
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When a cell multiplys there’s 2 cells left over

Yet people think 1x1=1
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08-08-2024, 06:40 PM
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Thats because the cell is dividing. Not multiplying.

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08-08-2024, 06:41 PM
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Thats because the cell is dividing. Not multiplying.
Nah it’s dividing and multiplying

You can’t divide something and then end up with more of said thing after lmao
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08-08-2024, 06:41 PM
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What's 1x2?
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08-08-2024, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted By gesten⏩
Nah ur wrong

It’s dividing and multiplying
No. It's not.

Multiplying would mean it instantly replicates additional external copies outside itself, with no change to the original cell.

Thats not what happens. The original cell divides in two, and then both grow. The original cell does not instantaneously multiply.

Are we clear?
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08-08-2024, 06:44 PM
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No. It's not.

Multiplying would mean it instantly replicates additional copies outside itself, with no change to the original cell.

Thats not what happens. The original cell divides in two, and then both grow. The original cell does not instantaneously multiply.

Are we clear?
You can’t divide something and then end up with more of said thing

You seem to disregard that. How do explain that?
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08-08-2024, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted By gesten⏩
You can’t divide something and then end up with more of said thing

You seem to disregard that. How do explain that?

If I divide an apple in half, do I not have two apples? It's the same original apple now in two smaller versions.

Thats what happens to cells, except they grow back to full size.

The process still begins with a division. Theyre not literally multiplying because the new cells are not identical to the original. Theyre dividing into smaller cells and then growing into unique individual cells.
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08-08-2024, 06:56 PM
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If I divide an apple in half, do I not have two apples? .
Nah..

You have half an apple and another half of an apple
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08-08-2024, 07:01 PM
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Mitosis (/maɪˈtoʊsɪs/) is a part of the cell cycle in which replicated chromosomes are separated into two new nuclei. Cell division by mitosis is an equational division which gives rise to genetically identical cells in which the total number of chromosomes is maintained.

Dunno what to tell ya bud. Take it up with wikipedia I guess.
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08-08-2024, 07:24 PM
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Theyre not literally multiplying because the new cells are not identical to the original. Theyre dividing into smaller cells and then growing into unique individual cells.


I was always under the impression it was an exact copy
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08-08-2024, 08:39 PM
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In a mathematical multiplication equation one number is the object and the other is the multiplication factor, which is an abstract concept.

So you don't times 1 carrot by 5 carrots, you can times a carrot by an abstract number or a number representing an abstract concept - such as by a day or week. So 1 carrot per 1 week = 1 where as 1 carrot per 2 weeks = 2.

You can add 1 carrot to one carrot though and get 2 carrots.
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08-08-2024, 08:41 PM
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Did you do your math class at an english school?
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08-08-2024, 08:42 PM
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Nah it’s dividing and multiplying

You can’t divide something and then end up with more of said thing after lmao
Ummmm, If you divide one thing in half, you have two parts
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08-08-2024, 08:48 PM
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The process still begins with a division. Theyre not literally multiplying because the new cells are not identical to the original. Theyre dividing into smaller cells and then growing into unique individual cells.
I always thought that the cells become pretty much the exact same in mitosis when dividing into progenitors and then differentiate and become specialised depending on the cells environment and the chemicals/cytokines they are exposed to, largely dependent on the adjacent cell's specialisation.

Sure they're not 100.000% the exact same, epithelial cells at the same depth level will largely become the same - again it depends on the milieu of the cell which is differentiating.

For example, immune system b cell and t cell lymphocytes would all start the same after division, but would differentiate into specific types of b-cell or t- cell or whatever and then specialise into cells attacking specific antigens.
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08-08-2024, 08:52 PM
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I always thought that the cells become pretty much the exact same in mitosis when dividing into progenitors and then differentiate and become specialised depending on the cells environment and the chemicals/cytokines they are exposed to, largely dependent on the adjacent cell's specialisation.

Sure they're not 100.000% the exact same, epithelial cells at the same depth level will largely become the same - again it depends on the milieu of the cell which is differentiating.
You have to damage cells to make them regenerate properly if they have deteriorated, otherwise they'll keep copying the deformed cell
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08-08-2024, 08:55 PM
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You have to damage cells to make them regenerate properly if they have deteriorated, otherwise they'll keep copying the deformed cell
Damaged how? At the genetic level or at the cellular level (cell membrane damaged, etc)? Cells that become damaged at a cellular level just get eradicated and possibly recycled by the immune system. Likewise, cells that are presenting an unrecognisable antigen (cancerous/aberrant growth) due to messed up genetic sequences being expressed as proteins, will also get attacked by the immune system (NKT cells IIRC) - or at least they should. If they do not, we're in trouble.
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08-08-2024, 09:01 PM
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Ummmm, If you divide one thing in half, you have two parts
Exactly so how would you end up with more

You’d have two smaller half parts and not the same size

You can’t divide something and end up with the same amount or more than the original thing

Don’t know what you’re disagreeing with in my statement
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08-08-2024, 09:06 PM
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Thats because the cell is dividing. Not multiplying.

Glad we had this talk.
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08-08-2024, 09:10 PM
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Exactly so how would you end up with more

You’d have two smaller half parts and not the same size

You can’t divide something and end up with the same amount or more than the original thing

Don’t know what you’re disagreeing with in my statement
Division is a descriptive term here - the cell uses energy and nutrients to divide (cellular proliferation). It's why humans need food or for example laboratories need media (nutrients) to grow bacterial colonies on agar jelly.

Same as when a women is pregnant - she needs more food for the baby, which eats loads of food to grow into an adult.
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08-08-2024, 09:17 PM
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Yet people think 1x1=1
(1+1)^2 is the math formula for miosis. Not 1x1. Lol at thinking the word division in biology is somehow related to division or multiplication in algebra. Deer and dear sound the same but have 2 different meanings. Same with to, two, too or there their they're
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08-08-2024, 09:20 PM
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You can’t divide something and end up with the same amount or more than the original thing

Don’t know what you’re disagreeing with in my statement
You're ignoring the fact that after dividing, each cell later utilizes external resources to grow.

This is such a retarded conversation.
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08-08-2024, 09:21 PM
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Exactly so how would you end up with more

You’d have two smaller half parts and not the same size

You can’t divide something and end up with the same amount or more than the original thing

Don’t know what you’re disagreeing with in my statement
Because cells aren't inanimate objects derp. They can split in half and then each half grows into a full functioning cell.
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You're ignoring the fact that after dividing, each cell later utilizes external resources to grow.

This is such a retarded conversation.
They would utilise external resources every moment of their existence - i.e., oxygen, amino acids, and glucose. Especially in cell division when nuclear content is being doubled, so they'd need nucleotides, etc, for cellular proliferation.
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08-08-2024, 09:36 PM
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A good thread on this

This whole thing is astroturfed to oblivion and a massive smear campaign ran on this guy

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...kes/?rdt=63311

You can’t even find that thread by typing exact title into google

A comment I resonated with is:

“We've built our world around 1 x 1 = 1, but for a cell to multiply in nature means that 1 x 1 = 2. If one single cell multiplies once, there are now two cells. In math, 15=1 but in nature 15= 32. If there is one cell, multiplied 5 times, assuming that each cell also multiples, there will be 32 cells.
He's trying to suggest that our theories of the origin of everything and stuff don't hold up because we have been using these definitions wrong.”
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08-08-2024, 09:38 PM
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A good thread on this

This whole thing is astroturfed to oblivion

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...kes/?rdt=63311

You can’t even find that thread by typing exact title into google

A comment I resonated with is:

“We've built our world around 1 x 1 = 1, but for a cell to multiply in nature means that 1 x 1 = 2. If one single cell multiplies once, there are now two cells. In math, 15=1 but in nature 15= 32. If there is one cell, multiplied 5 times, assuming that each cell also multiples, there will be 32 cells.
He's trying to suggest that our theories of the origin of everything and stuff don't hold up because we have been using these definitions wrong.”
I'm more amazed how you ignore reasonable responses explaining how you're wrong in this very thread and double down on your lunacy.
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08-08-2024, 09:41 PM
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I'm more amazed how you ignore reasonable responses explaining how you're wrong in this very thread and double down on your lunacy.
If you can say a cell is not an exact copy when it multiplies then il admit I could be wrong on this

But I’m finding mixed answers on this
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08-08-2024, 09:48 PM
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A good thread on this

This whole thing is astroturfed to oblivion and a massive smear campaign ran on this guy

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/...kes/?rdt=63311

You can’t even find that thread by typing exact title into google

A comment I resonated with is:

“We've built our world around 1 x 1 = 1, but for a cell to multiply in nature means that 1 x 1 = 2. If one single cell multiplies once, there are now two cells. In math, 15=1 but in nature 15= 32. If there is one cell, multiplied 5 times, assuming that each cell also multiples, there will be 32 cells.
He's trying to suggest that our theories of the origin of everything and stuff don't hold up because we have been using these definitions wrong.”
Cellular division is a adjective used to describe the process of cellular proliferation. A cell does not give birth to a new cell like a mammal would, it duplicates its nuclear content and then divides into two cells, whilst at the same time syphoning resources such as glucose, amino acids, and lipids to complete this process . In maths this would be articulated as follows: 1 divided by 0.5 (half/halved) equals two. So one cell divides into two halves and there are two cells now.
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