Heartbreaking chit.




is it me or are just Gators/Crocodiles just far more savage compared to sharks. I dive recreationally and I never get scared seeing Sharks in the water (only been around reef sharks lol) but I'd prolly lose my chit if I ever saw a Gator in the water. Then again I have never come across a Tiger, Bull or Great White irl and hope I never see one diving.

you'd be the only one prepared for a bear attack in Edmonton. Not sure what's up with the anger towards me.

The rustle is strong

Ok, so heres the problem, you just dont know anything about the geography of disney. Yes its a resort, just like the other million around the world. That doesnt mean it has 100 fot tall electric fences that keep out all life except humans. Disney was built on swamp, and a lot of it. In the areas surrounding disney there are at least several thousand gators, fact. These things move, they dont live in one body of water there whole life. At any given time there are hundreds if not thousands of large gators cycling through disney property.

Also, the kid wasnt "strolling through the resort" he was IN A LAKE!!!!!. Disney has no control over all the potential animal threats on their property, thats an endless battle that would end in thousands of dead inosent animals that were endangered not too long ago because people continuously killed them. For every gator you see there are 10 you dont see, you cannot eradicate these things, they are there to stay.

no swimming means no swimming. If you jump into your neighborhood pool tomorrow night, hit your head, and end up drowning, guess what it was your fault and you shouldnt have been swimming. also, if pool was in florida, could actually be because of gators, they are known to go into all kinds of pools.
this. My wife has family in florida, and i have never been, but she says when she would go when she was younger you'd even see these bastards hiding under dumpsters etc.
How do they know it had a known predilection for human flesh? it could have been any old gator that saw the kid and went after him. we are on they're food chain.
this. kid waded into the water where the alligator was, it could have been any alligator, not like the alligator hid on the room service cart and snuck into the room to get him.
The kid was in 1 foot deep water, tbh i dont think a kid should be in 1 foot deep water with out the parents watching CLOSELY anways. the dad mustve been at least a few feet away in order to not see the gator and/or have time to pull the child back asap
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ive never been to florida I know to watch for alligators anywhere from the eastern side of texas to the east coast in any fresh body of water just on common sense. If i ever travel to australia, i will know to beware of crocs, spiders, scorpions, snakes, etc., if i go to africa its the same. I dont turn over rocks in the desert because i dont want to find a rattle snake. its pretty common knowledge. and lets be honest these guys were from nebraska, its not like they were from some foreign country and had never heard of an american alligator (let us not forget the American crocodile, spetacled cayman, and burmese python, all of which are capable of consuming a human child and also call florida home)

Not the ONLY one.

I'm from NY and I've been to Florida a few times but I'm not a native. It's called being aware of your surroundings. How do you not associate certain places with certain animals/inherent dangers just from the subconscious intake of information that you gained throughout your life? Have you never had a TV or read a book? Did you ever attend school, lol? Have you seen movies? Have you spoken to other humans?

I'm really not trying to be a dik but I see murky water in a hot/wet area of the planet and I automatically think of dangerous reptiles.

Would you be surprised to find bats inside of caves? Would it shock you to see a snake in the swamp? I mean cmon now....no one can possibly..I don't even...

Also, this didn't happen in the middle of the Magic Kingdom next to Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. It happened in a giant lagoon where you can fish, and boat...

It - or another gator - lunged at a family just a couple of weeks earlier.

Presumably, this is not a routine event at the park. Nobody has been eaten in 45 years of gators in that lagoon. We don't hear about this in the news or in travel reviews.

They had notice that the thing that that never happens was now happening: a gator was going after guests. At that point, I think there's a much stronger argument that they had knowledge of an actual danger and should have taken some action. The argument for negligence, to my non-lawyer mind, is that they should have closed the beaches at that time, and because they didn't, this happened. They finally did the right thing too late.

Its more so anger towards stupidity. You claim it isnt common knowledge to expect alligators in a florida lake. Then you say well what about a city in Canada that overlaps bear territory? My answer is yes, Id expect to see a bear if i was in an area where a bear could be. If i was down town in a bar and went to the bathroom id be surprised to see a bear, thats for sure. But if i was near city limits where there are woods, then I wouldnt be surprised. See what Im saying here? Enter the woods, see a bear. Enter a lake in the south, see a gator. You see the pattern here? Enter nature, find an animal...its a simple concept. We have formed a disconnect from our surroundings because we are no longer on the food chain regularly. Youd have to be pretty dumb and absent minded to not know the potential animal threats around you at all times.

Have only dove and encountered nurse sharks and they won't do a thing. My father has dove and had a bull come check them out and then leave. Sharks are not a dangerous species like they make them out to be

Right but it's still a bad idea to be that close, especially at dusk when they look for food. My brother lived in a development in FL for a few years with a lake inside. Even with no sign, we all knew to stay far away especially at 8-9 at night.

BTW, the father DID try to wrestle the son from the alligator. He witnessed it and tried to rescue. An alligator in just a foot of water is extremely agile and quick. Understand that an alligator has around 800-1000lbs jaw strength when clenched.

Second, this wasn't some deserted out of the way lagoon. This is Disney's property on one of their premiere resorts. Seriously, yards away from the hotel.

this. california crew.

I've watched many shows & documentaries about crocs and gators and this is the first time that this (the burying of their prey to be eaten later) has ever been mentioned. It's hard to imagine the croc or gator sinking to the bottom of the water w/prey in mouth and casually digging a hole to put their prey in. If they don't do it underwater, I've never seen any shows/documentaries filming them burying their prey on the shore.

You getting your facts mixed up with dogs & mountain lions?

the beach chairs and surrounding resort allowed the poor folks to put their guard down. Who puts a beach in front of deadly alligator territory? Are kids safe on the sand?

I absolutely dare them to open an alligator-attack-themed water ride, though. They have plenty of recognizable gators in their stable of licensed characters:

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Alligators

So why did the alligator drag the boy to drown then put him on shore full body intact?

Here's a map of deadly gator territory:

Half a ton of jaw strength, obviously nothing can be done at that point. Your strongest pit bulls only have around 250. It doesn't matter if it's a premiere resort. The entire area was built on swamp land.

lmao

Just heard it on the news. Usually, gators & crocs will let go of their prey if their prey is too difficult to subdue so I doubt that this is the case in this situation. I doubt that the gator is a vegetarian so it's really odd that no pieces were missing from the kid. Something sounds fishy.

[QUOTE=ANumber1 post_id=1447874733]It - or another gator - lunged at a family just a couple of weeks earlier.

Presumably, this is not a routine event at the park. Nobody has been eaten in 45 years of gators in that lagoon. We don't hear about this in the news or in travel reviews.

They had notice that the thing that that never happens was now happening: a gator was going after guests. At that point, I think there's a much stronger argument that they had knowledge of an actual danger and should have taken some action. The argument for negligence, to my non-lawyer mind, is that they should have closed the beaches at that time, and because they didn't, this happened. They finally did the right thing too late.[/QUOTE]I get what youa re saying about the gator possibly targetting humans specifically, could it have been a case of people getting to close to the water last time as well, and on top of that this incident took place pretty late in the evening it was already dusk out, even further narrowing the window of visibility. we dont know the specifics of how the previous event went down, but id be willing to bet that if a gator lunged at them they were either in or on the edge of the water, i dont believe the gator came up onto the beach while they were 10-20 yards out from the water and snapped at them.

[QUOTE=Tuksonrider post_id=1447875263]BTW, the father DID try to wrestle the son from the alligator. He witnessed it and tried to rescue. An alligator in just a foot of water is extremely agile and quick. Understand that an alligator has around 800-1000lbs jaw strength when clenched.

Second, this wasn't some deserted out of the way lagoon. This is Disney's property on one of their premiere resorts. Seriously, yards away from the hotel.

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There are beach chairs on every beach in the country, Id still be thinking about sharks if i went in the water. Thats a poor argument on your part.

The problem is Americans need their hands held in every aspect of decision making. No other country has to tell people the painfully obvious things we have to people. Ive been to many potentially dangerous places in many countries and almost none of them had signs that said "dont go near cliff edge" "dont swim in water at night" "Dont approach wildlife" act, act, act.

Its borderline paranoia to not let your kid walk in water, but at 9:30 at night in Florida If i was the father that would not have happened.

I wasn't aware that bodies of water surrounding resort areas were off limits to native species. All this time I've been wasting my time being aware that a shark could be in the waters with me when I'm swimming in the ocean. How do they get the animals to turn around and go somewhere else?

no they let them get tangled in the vegitation in the lake and stew for a while then they come back and eaat it when its nice and soft and rotted,srs.
see above pls.

feel like i dont know an above average amount about reptiles or gators at all, but i know these things and most of you dont, very interesting the lack of what i assumed was common knowledge

Inb4 parents drowned boy and blamed alligator

poor guys

Please leave NY

Supposedly many other animals find humans really gross tasting.

im gonna hit you with some greens off recharge. was unaware there was a such a disconnect between what i believed to be well known safety and common sense. wow.