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post 1453280613 07-18-2016, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted By Angeluvlove
This whole thread is hypocritical. I enjoy my half vegan lifestyle ,not all vegans are insane or hippies ,andnot all carnivores "meat eaters" here are cannibals or satanic.Either side has its benefits.
LOL WTF IS HALF VEGAN?

Just cause you eat broccoli with your chicken and don't like eggs doesn't mean you're half vegan.

not even going to touch the bolded..
post 1453280653 07-18-2016, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted By faxanadu
Caging animals, fencing them in, or taking them out of their natural habitat is wrong...

Do you own a cat? Do you own a dog? Wut? Do you transport it sometimes in a cage? Wut? Is it in its natural habitat? Wut? Can it not get out because its trapped in your house or backyard by a fence? Wut?

But we're feeding them and being nice to them... okay... so then my next point...


Wont eat an unfertilized free range chicken egg...

Yet many vegans have no issue with human abortion...


Many justify eating plants because they don't feel pain despite them being living organisms...

So is it okay to eat animals, insects, or aquatic life that don't feel pain? Can i drug my cows first and then kill them? If not... whats the difference?


Won't eat honey...





PLEASE EXPLAIN ... cause i seriously do not get the logic
LOL at thinking DOMESTICATED animals natural habitats are outside and not in a house.
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Half vegan as In mosty salads and fruits no red meat ,but plenty of sea food and rarely chicken ahole
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Lol @ Vegans.

We were given incisors, canines, and molars for a reason.

Tree hugging *******s.
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Originally Posted By Angeluvlove
Half vegan as In mosty salads and fruits no red meat ,but plenty of sea food and rarely chicken ahole
So half vegan = omnivorous? that's eating vegetables and meat like any fuking omnivore does.

also



Eat more red meat.
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Originally Posted By Angeluvlove
Half vegan as In mosty salads and fruits no red meat ,but plenty of sea food and rarely chicken ahole
thats cool im 1/4 vegan. I eat meat and eggs, rarerly milk products like only if I want some cereal or pizza which is very rare.

My friend is 6/7 vegan. He is vegan for 6 days and on the 7th day he eats 4lbs of meat 2 gallons of milk and a ton of cheese.

Wish I could become 6/7 vegan aswell, but I am not dedicated enough
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Caging animals, fencing them in, or taking them out of their natural habitat is wrong...
living in a cage or small space isnt a fun way to live. Pets are not confined in cages and small spaces there whole life.


Wont eat an unfertilized free range chicken egg...
see point above. Egg chickens are kept in horrible conditions and get sick/little exercise. again not a fun way to live





Many justify eating plants because they don't feel pain despite them being living organisms...
there is more to it than feeling pain. for example drugging up a cow wont change the fact that it was killed. Most animals have a strong desire to live. And again this cow was probably fenced in and contained all its life



Won't eat honey...

yes this one is dumb

while many vegans make the whole thing sound dumb and crazy it really is just based around compassion at what most feel is morally right. People eat meat and feel bad, but they are led to believe they need meat to survive and be healthy. I wish it was possible to spread information on veganism without some meat eaters freaking the F out.

Also being vegan isnt for everyone. I feel every little bit helps. Such as being vegitarian. or limiting animal product intake.
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Originally Posted By batspoof
There's no point in me typing out some long-winded response, when Vegan Gains has already done all the work for me. The video completely dismantles your argument, irrespective of whether or not plants can actually feel pain. But you don't want to watch it (and be proven wrong) because you find him annoying. Guess what, I find him annoying too and think he needs a good punch in the face for some of the things he's done. The problem is, the fact that he's annoying and an arrogant little sh*t doesn't make what he says any less true.
Enjoy the internet kid.
It's not even about "pain", but you can call it that if it makes it easier. Fundamentally life consumes in order to continue. To become vegan is to play favoritism to the forms of life you comprehend to feel "pain". A non vegan, while potentially consuming unethically or having a larger negative impact on the environment does not, nonetheless, make this logical error.
Originally Posted By batspoof
Actually, an omnivorous diet is a form of speciesism. Unless you believe that all animals deserve to suffer equally, in which case you should be campaigning for cats, dogs, horses, and other animals to be bred for slaughter to ensure that they're treated equally to cows, pigs, chickens, sheep etc. Stroking your cat or dog while it sits on your lap, then going to your kitchen to cook a piece of rotting cow flesh, is practicing specieism of the highest order. Would you eat cat and dog if you went to an asian country where eating them is commonplace such as vietnam, or korea?
I'm not campaigning for anything except some enlightenment regarding our understanding of the universe and our place in it.
Domestic animals have been bred to live quite peacefully with us and we've grown to enjoy the taste of their flesh. I can buy horse meat at the butcher in my city if I wish. I have eaten horse, frogs, variety of insects, moth larvae, snails, many other invertebrates. Perhaps I've eaten dog or cat unknowingly (possibly even in China...).
I don't think that emotionally it's a good idea to eat a pet, unless you are faced with a very tough situation (say you and your family are starving in some unforeseen disaster). I would not like to eat my houseplants either... unless I was really out of food. Otherwise yes, why couldn't you raise dogs for food or perhaps sustainably hunt wild dogs for food? I can tell you that many farmers (small time or hobby farmers) love their livestock to some extent, but when the day comes they will slaughter to feed their family. There is nothing like the taste of freshly slaughtered meat from an animal that has lived a great life outside on a farm. It takes a certain strength to care for your crops and plants then harvest them. To care for your animals, then slaughter them. This is the nature of being human. Our ancestors did the same, and trust me they respected BOTH plants and animals.
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Shouldn't you be more concerned with Talal and Malik going in dry on your mother right now as you post about the idiotically proposed sentience of a carrot?
Nah bro Talal cuts my hair and Malik does some programming for me on the side. We're going out for beers later and try to pick up sloots.
post 1453282283 07-18-2016, 08:12 AM
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With a name with loser in it you obviously won't win this debate , post some real pics next time your mangina wants to have criticism on my food life style.Eat more greens airhead.
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Originally Posted By Angeluvlove
Eat more greens airhead.
Stats: 5'9", 105 lbs

Eat more, period.
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That's hot lol
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Originally Posted By VocelLoser
Stats: 5'9", 105 lbs

Eat more, period.
That's all you can say loser get some pics it's okay to show your balding head and beer gut we won't laugh maybe just a little lol
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Originally Posted By batspoof
Correct -- vegans dont eat things that come out of animals...ie bee vomit, chicken periods, or juice from cow tittays. And you find this odd?
Yeah, i find it odd. Chickens and cows can be in horrible environments for their eggs and milk and meat. Bees on the other hand you cant really abuse...
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Originally Posted By ugottabjoshinme
LOL at thinking DOMESTICATED animals natural habitats are outside and not in a house.
Just lol at thinking domestication is anything but enslavement and dependency.
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Originally Posted By Tongyo
Just lol at thinking domestication is anything but enslavement and dependency.
tfw humans are also domesticated along with various plants and animals.

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I call it "Celebration". It's sexual, and violent...

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Originally Posted By Angeluvlove
Half vegan as In mosty salads and fruits no red meat ,but plenty of sea food and rarely chicken ahole
Stfu. Eating seafood / chicken = No ****ing vegan nor vegetarian at all.
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Originally Posted By JeenyusJr
Enjoy the internet kid.
It's not even about "pain", but you can call it that if it makes it easier.Fundamentally life consumes in order to continue.
Hence the reason I stated that Vegan Gain's commentary on the matter dismantles your argumentirrespectiveof whether or not plants can actually feel pain. His is an all-encompassing point of view and is not concerned solely with whether plants can or cant feel pain. I post commentary that logically refutes your claim, so you respond by calling me "kid" while acting like a kid yourself. I don't even like Vegan Gains and think he's odious in the extreme, but he's also a great orator of truth and the manner in which he conveys his message doesn't take anything away from the credence of it.
Originally Posted By JeenyusJr
To become vegan is to play favoritism to the forms of life you comprehend to feel "pain". A non vegan, while potentially consuming unethically or having a larger negative impact on the environment does not, nonetheless, make this logical error.
Right, so I'm a "speciesist" because I choose not to eatanyanimals.........but you're not because you eat plants as well (and like to pretend that we should all eat dogs so you can try to win internet arguments).
Originally Posted By JeenyusJr
I'm not campaigning for anything except some enlightenment regarding our understanding of the universe and our place in it.
Domestic animals have been bred to live quite peacefully with us and we've grown to enjoy the taste of their flesh. I can buy horse meat at the butcher in my city if I wish. I have eaten horse, frogs, variety of insects, moth larvae, snails, many other invertebrates. Perhaps I've eaten dog or cat unknowingly (possibly even in China...).
I don't think that emotionally it's a good idea to eat a pet, unless you are faced with a very tough situation (say you and your family are starving in some unforeseen disaster). I would not like to eat my houseplants either... unless I was really out of food. Otherwise yes, why couldn't you raise dogs for food or perhaps sustainably hunt wild dogs for food?
You couldn't do it in the vast majority of OECD countries because they have animal rights laws to protect the welfare of certain species of animals, which include animals that are commonly kept as house pets such as cats and dogs. That's because they, like yourself, are speciesist and dont have the same emotional connection to animals that are not common house pets, such as cats and dogs. Hence, on a subconscious level, you regard them as less important and their suffering at the hands of humans less deserving of condemnation.

Also, my argument is primarily concerned with the animal agriculture industry and the mass slaughter of billions of animals each year, and the massive environmental destruction, ethical issues, and the cost to both human and animal lives associated with it. As for hunting wild dogs for food, lol. Lord...the mental gymnastics you people will go through. Hmm, well let's see. I couldn't hunt wild dogs for food because I live in Australia, where the only wild dogs are dingoes which are a protected species, and I'd run the risk of imprisonment and/or heavy fines if I was caught capturing or attempting to kill one of them. There's also the fact that, ya know, they live hundreds of miles away from me and I'd have to go to hire an aboriginal tracker and go into the desert just to find one of them. Hunting wild dogs for food isn't very practical, you see. Abstaining from eating animal products is very practical.
Originally Posted By JeenyusJr
I can tell you that many farmers (small time or hobby farmers) love their livestock to some extent, but when the day comes they will slaughter to feed their family. There is nothing like the taste of freshly slaughtered meat from an animal that has lived a great life outside on a farm. It takes a certain strength to care for your crops and plants then harvest them. To care for your animals, then slaughter them. This is the nature of being human. Our ancestors did the same, and trust me they respected BOTH plants and animals.
Again, myself and other vegans are talking about the animal agriculture industry at large, and it's associated problems such as deforestation and other environmental damage, contributing more greenhouse gas emissions than fossil fuels, and producing animal products that contribute to cancer and various other health problems in humans. And here you are, trying to justify it by bringing up the infinitesimal numbers of animals produced and eaten by small hobbyist farmers (against the billions of others that aren't).
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jeenysjr is an imbecile stop replying to that goof
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Originally Posted By FL_Z32
I'm not vegan and will eat just about anything put in front of me. I'm just pointing out how retarded OP's logic is.


"Free-range" is another marketing gimmick to make you think that the chickens/hens are actually treated well and live out in the open on some farmer's big field. It's BS; The only thing "free-range" means is that there is a tiny access cut out from the warehouse where a few of the chickens might get to see light of day. Free-range has no legal definition in the USA.
Over here free-range does mean free-range. I eat a lot of free-range eggs, I don't give a fuk about whether the chicken consented to it, I just want to eat the healthiest eggs possible.
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Originally Posted By GolfPants
for every heart disease you get, I'm gonna get none.

absurd how many people actually think "If I stop eating meat it would have no impact" very passive-idiotic
The problem is I'm focusing on the things in life that don't really matter.
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i've tried to eat less meat but damn it's hard. i love meat. food is one of my favourite things and i can't help but love the taste of meat.

also, cheese.

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Again, myself and other vegans are talking about the animal agriculture industry at large, and it's associated problems such as deforestation and other environmental damage, contributing more greenhouse gas emissions than fossil fuels, and producing animal products that contribute to cancer and various other health problems in humans. And here you are, trying to justify it by bringing up the infinitesimal numbers of animals produced and eaten by small hobbyist farmers (against the billions of others that aren't).
Palm oil contributes to deforestation = Vegan
Imported grains and bull**** superfoods that ship across the globe = vegan
Soy contributes to deforestation = Vegan
Sugar is by far the biggest contributor to all diet related diseases = Vegan
Alcohol is one of, if not the biggest contributor to cancer = Vegan

You dumb ****s are real quick to tell us how our burgers will give us cancer but won't turn down a beer from your favorite hipster brewing company. You know your diet indirectly kills animals, but you won't promote local farming and diet which ultimately promotes less death and environmental issues. You'll tell me don't eat eggs because of cholesterol, meat because if saturated fat, but eat your vegan junk food that's loaded with sugar and faux meat products that are owned by coke or pepsi.

You're all a walking ****ing punchline.
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ITT morons with no ethics or morals deluding themselves into thinking they are somehow more important than other animals so its ok to kill them (more often than not in a gruesome manner) because apparently buying prepackaged meat means that they are "alpha" as they fail to understand we as a species are supposed to have evolved since the days were the choices were hunt animals or starve.
Originally Posted By faxanadu
Caging animals, fencing them in, or taking them out of their natural habitat is wrong...

Do you own a cat? Do you own a dog? Wut? Do you transport it sometimes in a cage? Wut? Is it in its natural habitat? Wut? Can it not get out because its trapped in your house or backyard by a fence? Wut?

But we're feeding them and being nice to them... okay... so then my next point...


Wont eat an unfertilized free range chicken egg...

Yet many vegans have no issue with human abortion...


Many justify eating plants because they don't feel pain despite them being living organisms...

So is it okay to eat animals, insects, or aquatic life that don't feel pain? Can i drug my cows first and then kill them? If not... whats the difference?


Won't eat honey...




PLEASE EXPLAIN ... cause i seriously do not get the logic
Also I don't know if you are "special" but these are some of the dumbest sentences i've ever read.

Firstly having a pet that you love and look after is nothing like sticking an animal in a cage and pumping it full of drugs until it grows to a certain size and then you kill it, and what about rescue animal? you cant possible equate someone taking an animal from a high kill rate shelter and giving it a loving home to factory farms.

Whats your point supposed to be with abortion? its a persons choice to make anyone that tries to force them one way or the other is wrong. How did you arrive at comparison to eating eggs? last I checked not many people in the world are eating aborted babies.

Whats the difference between plants an animals? seriously? One is a simple organism with no self awareness, the other is a living creature that can experience emotions and pain and fear.

The honey thing follows the definition of veganism
"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose"
The bees may not be killed to get honey, but they are exploited as it takes generations of bees to make any real quantity of it and for some person to take it when they can very easily live without out is according to veganism wrong.

I would never try to force veganism on anyone, that is retarded, but if I one day read an argument against veganism that has a single shred of fact or logic to support it I think my head would explode.
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Originally Posted By jamesovercome
Palm oil contributes to deforestation = Vegan
Imported grains and bull**** superfoods that ship across the globe = vegan
Soy contributes to deforestation = Vegan
Sugar is by far the biggest contributor to all diet related diseases = Vegan
Alcohol is one of, if not the biggest contributor to cancer = Vegan

You dumb ****s are real quick to tell us how our burgers will give us cancer but won't turn down a beer from your favorite hipster brewing company. You know your diet indirectly kills animals, but you won't promote local farming and diet which ultimately promotes less death and environmental issues. You'll tell me don't eat eggs because of cholesterol, meat because if saturated fat, but eat your vegan junk food that's loaded with sugar and faux meat products that are owned by coke or pepsi.

You're all a walking ****ing punchline.
So your entire "point" is based on your own assumptions.
Many vegans do avoid palm oil
Many buy as local as possible, and when thats not possible buying "grains and bull**** superfoods " from overseas is hardly the same as choosing to support a disgusting industry just because you have no morals, no self control and/or are just outright lazy.
^ also on your "argument" about grains "U.S. could feed 800 million people with grain that livestock eat, Cornell ecologist advises animal scientists" old but relevant, I cant post the link but just google that quote if you want the article.
Soy farming is one of the least resource and land draining sources.
Many vegans are sugar free, and id even say most use alternatives like xylitol and erythritol
Most alcohol is not vegan

Also provide a link to one "faux meat product" owned by coke or pepsi.
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Originally Posted By jamesovercome
Palm oil contributes to deforestation = Vegan
Imported grains and bull**** superfoods that ship across the globe = vegan
Soy contributes to deforestation = Vegan
Sugar is by far the biggest contributor to all diet related diseases = Vegan
Alcohol is one of, if not the biggest contributor to cancer = Vegan

You dumb ****s are real quick to tell us how our burgers will give us cancer but won't turn down a beer from your favorite hipster brewing company. You know your diet indirectly kills animals, but you won't promote local farming and diet which ultimately promotes less death and environmental issues. You'll tell me don't eat eggs because of cholesterol, meat because if saturated fat, but eat your vegan junk food that's loaded with sugar and faux meat products that are owned by coke or pepsi.

You're all a walking ****ing punchline.
in a vegan's defence, if vegans didn't eat the soy or other grains, it goes to farm animals, so they do reduce the chain somewhat.
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Originally Posted By TheUtopian
So your entire "point" is based on your own assumptions.
Many vegans do avoid palm oil
Many buy as local as possible, and when thats not possible buying "grains and bull**** superfoods " from overseas is hardly the same aschoosing to support a disgusting industry just because you have no morals, no self control and/or are just outright lazy
Soy farming uses less land and resources than any other form of farming.
Many vegans are sugar free, and id even say most use alternatives like xylitol and erythritol
Most alcohol is not vegan

Also provide a link to one "faux meat product" owned by coke or pepsi.
that's the sort of attitude that wins vegans no friends.

the meat industry is fukked in a lot of places, and i agree that we should eat less meat as there are too many people in the world to feed and meat isn't very sustainable. however, this is something that needs to be sorted out from the top. it should be a government's responsibility to ensure the meat trade is as ethically sound as is reasonable.

with your sort of attitude it would be ironic if you had a fuel powered car, used any form of energy that isn't generated from biomass... in fact, the idea that you are using some sort of electronic device right now is laughable. do you know where the components to your device were sourced from? do you know the logistics behind getting that device to you? what about the packaging it came in, the company who made it's human rights legislation...

don't preach what you can't back up. it makes you look like a b!tch.
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Vegans are simply mentally and emotionally soft and cannot accept the fact that life feeds on life. It's a cycle, and they claim you don't 'need' it, but I also don't 'need' to follow their ideology either. One species of life simply has a higher functioning neural system and now they're not part of the food chain?
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Originally Posted By pushlimits
that's the sort of attitude that wins vegans no friends.

the meat industry is fukked in a lot of places, and i agree that we should eat less meat as there are too many people in the world to feed and meat isn't very sustainable. however, this is something that needs to be sorted out from the top. it should be a government's responsibility to ensure the meat trade is as ethically sound as is reasonable.

with your sort of attitude it would be ironic if you had a fuel powered car, used any form of energy that isn't generated from biomass... in fact, the idea that you are using some sort of electronic device right now is laughable. do you know where the components to your device were sourced from? do you know the logistics behind getting that device to you? what about the packaging it came in, the company who made it's human rights legislation...

don't preach what you can't back up. it makes you look like a b!tch.
i guarantee he has apple products
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