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post 1490124491 04-06-2017, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted By GaloisTheory⏩
That's all I've seen as well. I was wondering where he saw that Russians were in fact at the base.
twittwe says Russians were at the base but warned
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post 1490124601 04-06-2017, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted By RougeProdigy⏩
We could probably support 10,000 refugees at the cost of one of those, assuming none of them had a job (which most will).
Well, if we're going to go down the hypothetical rainbows and sherbet road, there wouldn'tbe10,000 refugees if they could get their collective sh*t together in the ME.
Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
Not my words but I think this should be posted ITT:

>We launched 50+ missiles. The target of said missiles, rather than Assad's headquarters, was an air base supposedly responsible for the recent chemical attack. We are the United State of America. If we were looking to destabilize Syria, we would have gone the route of Lybia, and bombed the leader. Instead, we removed the threat of Assad targeting his own people.

>"The process by which Assad would leave is something that requires an international community effort both to first defeat ISIS within Syria, to stabilize the Syrian country to avoid further civil war and then to work collectively with our partners around the world through a political process that would lead to Assad leaving."

>This does not indicate a desire to continue a foreign policy of "kill the leader, allow destabilized chaos." This indicates a desire to neuter the military of Assad, and to, as Trump stated during his campaign, set up safe zones in Syria to eradicate the extremist rebels and allow the state to organize. Unlike in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US will seek aid from neighboring states, such as Jordan, who have interest in Syria stabilizing, and not falling to terrorists. Restructuring of failed Middle Eastern regimes will be better handled by current prosperous secular Middle Eastern states.
Succinct and well structured delineation overall.

The international community wouldn't exactly let us sit idly by after the chemical attacks, but how many foreign leaders do we have to usurp before learning a lesson that it only breaks down the respective nation, leaving it vulnerable to be overtaken by smaller, extremist forces already vying for power. There is essentially a "you break it, you bought it" policy with military intervention, and a complete ousting would put us in the position planned for Syria's neighbors. We've already tried doing so ourselves, and it was a messy string of complications that ultimately cost us more than the end result's worth. If an action had to be made, defanging the snake instead of outright cutting the head off at least doesn't commit us on the same level, but it will all be a matter of time to see how Assad reacts to this, as well as what new information comes out over the details of the gas attacks in question.
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Originally Posted By mrc19888⏩
ITT: some people have zero fuking clues as to how powerful the US military is. We spend more than the next 25 countries on earth on military COMBINED. Of which, 24 are allies.

What happened today as far as cost goes would be like me firing a single 124grain 9mm FMJ at an intruder in my home when I have 500,000 bullets in my garage. It's nothing. A drop in the bucket of military spending. Technologically speaking we have the largest military power in the world just in our navy on the water. That's not counting their backups of airforce and last resort marines/army/actual boots. There is no WWIII ever going to happen. Not in our lifetimes by a long shot.
And At what price do we put on human life? Is 20...50....10,000 missiles, Two 115gr 9mm FMJ = the cost of one American soldier? Which Trump kid will be the first to be boots on the ground?

Most powerful military in the world, and we haven't won a war decisively in half a century.
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Originally Posted By miamiceo⏩
The ones he could have saved by letting some of them into the country instead of banning them. Banning them means he doesn't care about their lives what is hard to understand about that?
Cant save em all. Moreover, that is honestly the dumbest question asked this year. Is Trump some sort of mind reader? Do you think he knew this would happen? So is Obama a bad person for not bringing in a bunch of starving African children? Plenty die each day because they don't have food to eat, yet not a single child was brought here to America to be saved.

Same can be said about the homeless that die daily. Where was your lord and savior then?
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Originally Posted By Peter
Subjecting us to your posts is probably worse than getting bombed. Do you even read what you type??
Trump spoke about the horrible deaths of children by Assad gassing his own people.

Apparently he felt empathy for those children and decided to act.

Funny how he didn't feel this way while he was running for office after the 2013 gassings.
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Originally Posted By Qong⏩
You guys sound like globalists right now. Bleeding heart liberals.

To equate a terrorist killing an American (I'll assume you're referring to a terrorist killing an American since my posts here have concerned Americans, not foreigners) to a Syrian killing another Syrian is ridiculous.

Is it sad that innocent Syrians are dying? Yes, of course it is. But the reality is that they are in a civil war. People die in civil wars, innocent people included. We had our own civil war. It isn't fun.

Ask yourselves: how the heck does a civil war in Syria have any impact on Americans? It doesn't. Well, until we take out the guys who keep terrorists at bay, then ISIS takes over and grows in power, allowing them to hurt Americans.
You are jumping to a lot of conclusions.

My argument ended at "Dead kids are dead kids" being an absolute horse**** opinion.

That doesn't mean I'm a liberal pussy who thinks we need to get involved in Syria. It doesn't mean I'm not a liberal pussy either.
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Originally Posted By Peter
Cant save em all. Moreover, that is honestly the dumbest question asked this year. Is Trump some sort of mind reader? Do you think he knew this would happen? So is Obama a bad person for not bringing in a bunch of starving African children? Plenty die each day because they don't have food to eat, yet not a single child was brought here to America to be saved.
People are dying there every day not just from the gas attack. If he's gonna use the claim that the missiles were because he cares about the children who died then it's horsechit and he has alterior motives.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Trump spoke about the horrible deaths of children by Assad gassing his own people.

Apparently he felt empathy for those children and decided to act.

Funny how he didn't feel this way while he was running for office after the 2013 gassings.
People respond differently depending on what position they're in. Common sense.
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Originally Posted By miamiceo⏩
People are dying there every day not just from the gas attack. If he's gonna use the claim that the missiles were because he cares about the children who died then it's horsechit and he has alterior motives.
Maybe, maybe not. But each and every single president has had the chance to save lives, American lives, and didn't act. So don't try and single out Trump on this one. Since you're such a self proclaimed CEO 10k/day, tell me, how many potential lives have you attempted to save?

Children getting gassed is beyond evil, and I back Trump 100% for what he did, if all this is factual and not some BS.
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Originally Posted By humblebr4g⏩
Damn I feel dumb for voting for this guy. Everything people said about Hilary is happening under Trump. Goldman Sachs execs and billionaire lobbyists for an administration, continued drone strikes and military raids, and now we're ****ing bombing Syria too. What the **** happened, things were supposed to be different
Hillary also promised to keep Obamacare lol.
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Originally Posted By humblebr4g⏩
Damn I feel dumb for voting for this guy. Everything people said about Hilary is happening under Trump. Goldman Sachs execs and billionaire lobbyists for an administration, continued drone strikes and military raids, and now we're ****ing bombing Syria too. What the **** happened, things were supposed to be different
I don't believe you.
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
Most powerful military in the world, and we haven't won a war decisively in half a century.
Absolute nonsense.
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post 1490126311 04-06-2017, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I don't believe you.
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Originally Posted By Qong⏩
Not sure what you're saying there. A kid dying in a fire is worse than a kid dying in an explosion? A kid dying to a chemical weapon is worse than a kid dying to a non-chemical weapon?

The bottom line is that the kid doesn't care how he died. He doesn't want to be dead. He wants to be alive. It doesn't matter how his life was taken.
The rules of warfare which have developed over the centuries, our common sense, and our common humanity, instruct us that if war is to be fought the combatants should make an effort to avoid civilian casualties. It is different, morally, to attack an enemy combatant and then accidentally or inadvertently kill a civilian, compared to intentionally targeting a civilian population for destruction. Assad didn't target enemy combatants. He went directly after the civilian population, and that's why it's different.
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Originally Posted By RougeProdigy⏩
Jesus Trump ALREADY changing his mind in the first 100 days. At least Bush waited two years before he started the whole WMD bs.
The chemical attack by Assad was tantamount to Putin slapping his d**k in Trump's face. Trump had to respond.
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Originally Posted By humblebr4g⏩
Damn I feel dumb for voting for this guy. Everything people said about Hilary is happening under Trump. Goldman Sachs execs and billionaire lobbyists for an administration, continued drone strikes and military raids, and now we're ****ing bombing Syria too. What the **** happened, things were supposed to be different
Strong first post. Inb4 red.
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Originally Posted By nutsy54⏩
We've been firing tomahawks for years... suddenly now the cost is a concern?

$96 Million worth of missiles fired tonight.
That's 0.0024% of the federal budget.
It's always been a concern buddy. The point was that trillions were spent on useless wars and interventions (most unnecessary) while this money could have actually been used to fixed structural problems inside the US. And this chit will keep happening.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Strong first post. Inb4 red.
I'm sure you and your fellow clan will make him green if he gets negged.
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Originally Posted By ikepen⏩
It's always been a concern buddy. The point was that trillions were spent on useless wars and interventions (most unnecessary) while this money could have actually been used to fixed structural problems inside the US. And this chit will keep happening.
While true, hisnpoint is that nobody brought this up during the Obama administration, but are quick to jump on Trump for firing off 50 for a good cause, it what we hear turns out to be correct.
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Originally Posted By Peter
People respond differently depending on what position they're in. Common sense.
Trump is speaking differently now that he's in office. Wouldn't be surprised if he called Hillary for advice.
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Originally Posted By Peter
While true, hisnpoint is that nobody brought this up during the Obama administration, but are quick to jump on Trump for firing off 50 for a good cause, it what we hear turns out to be correct.
Yes, you're right, the partisan bullchit is annoying and really pointless. A sensible person would criticize Obama's drone strikes as much as Trump's intervention.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
You are jumping to a lot of conclusions.

My argument ended at "Dead kids are dead kids" being an absolute horse**** opinion.

That doesn't mean I'm a liberal pussy who thinks we need to get involved in Syria. It doesn't mean I'm not a liberal pussy either.
You haven't made any sort of argument for why certain bombs are worse than others. Perhaps you have knowledge of a variety of bombs, I wouldn't say that I'm an expert but I can't think of a single reasonable argument for why one sort of bomb is worse than another. A traditional bomb can cause a great deal of pain and suffering, there's no doubt about that, so can a bomb carrying a chemical weapon, so can a bomb carrying a nuclear warhead. They're made to kill people. That's what they do. They don't care about pain and suffering.

Some reasoning: Let's think of the non-nuclear bombings of WWII. They were terribly devastating. They destroyed cities. They caused immense pain suffering to innocent people. While the nuclear bombs certainly caused much more damage, more death, more pain and suffering on a bomb-for-bomb basis, they certainly didn't cause as much damage as all of the non-nuclear bombs.

The point is that traditional munitions cause a ridiculous amount of pain and suffering too. It's nonsense to argue that the Syrian regime using normal bombs on their citizenry is better than them using chemical bombs on their citizenry. Both are terrible. There's no reason to argue which is better. That's nonsense.

For us to attack the Syrian regime over it is crazy. If President Trump drew a line in the sand a la Obama, then sure, that would make sense. But I don't recall such a thing ever happening.

Is this a precedent to be set for the future? Can no country use a weapon that we deem unacceptable without retaliation? Are we going to stop Iran and North Korea from fulfilling their nuclear goals?

To finish, again I think a major and very important point is that Syria is not a threat to us whatsoever. Syria wasn't going to do anything to us. They were doing things to their own people. Around the world regimes have done terrible things to their own people. In the '90s Rwandans killed nearly a million people with machetes and other crazy weapons. That kind of **** happens. It isn't our responsibility to stop it.
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Originally Posted By JrM703⏩
Not to mention President Obama did jack **** when they gassed people in Syria in 2013.
ah because Assad didn't gas people in 2013, the rebels did the gassing
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Originally Posted By ONtop888⏩
So what's the end game? An ousted Assad and a chaotic jihadi wonderland like Libya?
Annexation of Syria by Jordan and Iraq.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Assad didn't target enemy combatants. He went directly after the civilian population, and that's why it's different.
Given that Assad had absolutely no motive and in fact had very good incentives not to do this, I'd like to hear some good reasons on why he would use gas on civilians. How exactly does doing the one thing that could lose him the war he goes and does?
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Did anyone else notice Trump saying, "God bless the world", at the end of his speech justifying the attack?
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Is Trump actually human? Did he feel bad for children dying?
people only started caring about the children dying a couple of days ago when they watched the fuking video footage. this sh*t has been going on for ten years in the middle east now. i give it a week before no one remembers about it
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If he leaves the strike at this, then GG. If he continues to escalate, I'll begin losing my faith in Trump.

Around 500,000 already dead. Muslims have been murdering each other for 1,400 years - this is what they do.

If we fight a war in Syria, it will be a war on Europe's behalf, not America's, Australia's, or the UK'S (the three who will undoubtedly join).

Unleashing America's energy reserves and private enterprise means the nation should be less focused on post WWII geopolitical strategic goals.

Set up the safe zones and GTFO.
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