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post 1506885381 06-02-2017, 10:12 AM
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They probably weren't praying hard enough
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Didn't Steve Jobs die because he refused cancer treatments and instead sought holistic medicine. Lmao. Meanwhile Magic Johnson has had AIDS for how many decades and he is still living.
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Originally Posted By blckndyllw⏩
How do you apply prayer right?
I'm not a Christian. If you're asking about Christian prayer (because you have an interest in this story), then you need to ask some Christians.

My personal understanding of prayer... Depends. In regards to health, I answered that in my first post.
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Originally Posted By DDSF1⏩
Lol prayer is answered by the procedure working.

Prayer is answered by a competent doctor performing operation.

Prayer instead doing what's right is not prayer, if you understand.prayer is doing what's right. Comprehend that.
Amen brother.

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Prayer ain't gonna fukn do chit. Should have taken care of the problem when they had the fukn chance. It's their own fault for not having the procedure done at an early age. They made their bed and now they have to lie in it. How's that for religion and prayer?
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post 1506885731 06-02-2017, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted By RaibeartBruis⏩
God loves his children but he does punish those who have sinned.

The real tragedy in this is that a wayward heretic is questioning His Plan.
Wait
Mariah Walton was born with a small hole in her heart, which could have been repaired in early life, but is now in and out of hospital for her condition, which has become life-threatening.
Baby her was just being punished for her sins all along? God is good
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Originally Posted By DDSF1⏩
Lol prayer is answered by the procedure working.

Prayer is answered by a competent doctor performing operation.

Prayer instead doing what's right is not prayer, if you understand.prayer is doing what's right. Comprehend that.
Are you retarded? Srs question.

Procedures work due to advancements in medical knowledge and technology, coupled with a competent surgical team.
Competent doctor's work because they went to school for 8 years and received 4+ years of residency training, and genuinely want to help their patients.

Both work due to probability and chance, not God.
Originally Posted By Aircommander91⏩
Amen brother.

Everything is made possible only through the Grace of GOD.

got you on r/c.

may the Lord Bless all itt. don't let sophists such opie rock your faith.
Sorry bud, but you and that ******* can't randomly alter the definition of "prayer" to fit your argument.
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Originally Posted By Cytomegalovirus⏩
These ideologies arise from low IQ people. Let them go about their business. Doesn't change anything anyway. All of us are going to be in the ground at some point.
I agree with sentiment of your post but I think you missed the part where this girl breathes in pain for the rest of her life because of a treatable condition that her low IQ parents refused to properly mitigate... It matters. We've dug ourselves into a hole where just simply attaching a religious reference to something absolves people of negligence or collusion. That's unacceptable.
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Originally Posted By Aircommander91⏩
Amen brother.

Everything is made possible only through the Grace of GOD.

got you on r/c.

may the Lord Bless all itt. don't let sophists such opie rock your faith.
Why can't god heal amputees , yet supposedly when a cancer patient goes into remission it's "god" ?

Is amputation the only thing he leaves up to the doctors? He just doesn't like healing people with missing limbs and would rather the doctors fix it with prosthetics?

...weird
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Originally Posted By RaibeartBruis⏩
God loves his children but he does punish those who have sinned.

The real tragedy in this is that a wayward heretic is questioning His Plan.
Ahhh yes the "Adam brought sin into the world so therefore God allows bad things to happen to people because of other's past sins"

Just lmao. Always putting it back on someone else.

It's not gods fault..it's Adams fault that the world is ****ty. All because he ate a mother ****ing apple.


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Originally Posted By Girlgoneweird⏩
Why can't god heal amputees , yet supposedly when a cancer patient goes into remission it's "god" ?

Is amputation the only thing he leaves up to the doctors? He just doesn't like healing people with missing limbs and would rather the doctors fix it with prosthetics?

...weird
Remember those televangelists that would lay their hands on some dude in a wheelchair and then he walks? Always wondered why they never had any amputees up there.

We share that sentiment
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Remember those televangelists that would lay their hands on some dude in a wheelchair and then he walks? Always wondered why they never had any amputees up there.

We share that sentiment
Oh yeah ...but not before he first fell out of the wheelchair having a "holy ghost" seizure
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post 1506887041 06-02-2017, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted By Girlgoneweird⏩
Why can't god heal amputees , yet supposedly when a cancer patient goes into remission it's "god" ?

Is amputation the only thing he leaves up to the doctors? He just doesn't like healing people with missing limbs and would rather the doctors fix it with prosthetics?

...weird
just because you don't understand His reasons doesn't make Him wrong.

He IS incapable of error.

you're just a too naive child questioning something beyond your understanding.

you're in the wrong here for questioning and doubting.
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If this was in America I would have prayed too lol. brb 2.3 million dollars in medical bills after little suzy is "Fixed". brb a life time of meds.

.....this comment was a joke if you didn't get it. Absolutely would not rely on praying when a family member is dying and can possibly be saved by science.
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Originally Posted By Aircommander91⏩
just because you don't understand His reasons doesn't make Him wrong.

He IS incapable of error.

you're just a too naive child questioning something beyond your understanding.

you're in the wrong here for questioning and doubting.
Lol I've been to church once before and let me tell you it's a bunch of bs. They started telling me I have to give myself up to Him and all this bs fukk all that
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Originally Posted By Aircommander91⏩
just because you don't understand His reasons doesn't make Him wrong.

He IS incapable of error.

you're just a too naive child questioning something beyond your understanding.

you're in the wrong here for questioning and doubting.
You could extend that logic into rationalizing anything. That's what makes it a slippery slope and THATS what makes this a christianity problem.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
That mirrors my thinking.

I believe there is a supernatural realm and a natural realm, and they are bonded through consciousness. (And powered by a supreme consciousness.)

I think that the kind of prayer that is commonly referred to works on the level of consciousness/the spiritual realm, and it's effect on the physical realm are indirect.

So for illness it's best to work holistically, on the level of consciousness and biology.

IME most religious people (I have not come across one who is an exception) do not soley rely on intercessory prayer for illness, they respect/recognize that they exist as part of the natural world.

Those same parents do not sit down and pray to have their nutritional needs met, they eat and drink daily. But when it comes to physical illness, they have a double standard.
My personal opinion is that prayer gives a sense of mental strength through positive thinking that there is some greater being or hope that can change a current situation. Having hope and positive thinking can actually be influential in terms of healing and your body's well being, but you still have to get procedures done and get antibiotics. I personally utilize prayer and religion because I do believe I work a lot better being able to take a burden off my shoulders and say "God's will be done" and do the best I can instead of being paralyzed by fear and doubt.
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Originally Posted By Aircommander91⏩
just because you don't understand His reasons doesn't make Him wrong.

He IS incapable of error.

you're just a too naive child questioning something beyond your understanding.

you're in the wrong here for questioning and doubting.
Then why'd he flood the earth to fix his error?
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Originally Posted By blckndyllw⏩
Then why'd he flood the earth to fix his error?
Listen this will not go anywhere lol. There are so many instances of "god changing his plan" that it's modus operandi for them.

If evil is derived from perfection then how could there ever be a logical choice between the two?

I think therecouldbe a god but whatever it is it's infinite and neutral which kind of defeats the purpose.
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Originally Posted By Aircommander91⏩
just because you don't understand His reasons doesn't make Him wrong.

He IS incapable of error.

you're just a too naive child questioning something beyond your understanding.

you're in the wrong here for questioning and doubting.
Questioning is the sole reason that the human race is at the top of the food chain. It is the reason we understand so much of the world. We fukking discovered that microscopic organisms cause disease. We developed the fukking internet.

What do we always tell children? Never be afraid to ask questions. Asking questions is how we learn.

You seem to be against our very nature because of an ancient book written by MEN, not God, MEN. Written by MEN YEARS AFTER the events in the bible took place.

Ever played the game where you pass a message along in a classroom, and by the time the message gets back, it has changed completely? That happens in the span of minutes, yet humans who wrote the bible supposedly kept that chit consistent over decades?

But yeah, go ahead and call someone naive because they dare to ask a question in the one category you're not "allowed" to ask questions in.
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Originally Posted By Aircommander91⏩
just because you don't understand His reasons doesn't make Him wrong.

He IS incapable of error.

you're just a too naive child questioning something beyond your understanding.

you're in the wrong here for questioning and doubting.
you speak as if these are proven facts
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
My personal opinion is that prayer gives a sense of mental strength through positive thinking that there is some greater being or hope that can change a current situation. Having hope and positive thinking can actually be influential in terms of healing and your body's well being, but you still have to get procedures done and get antibiotics. I personally utilize prayer and religion because I do believe I work a lot better being able to take a burden off my shoulders and say "God's will be done" and do the best I can instead of being paralyzed by fear and doubt.
I respect that viewpoint. Which is in alignment with religious naturalism.

Religious naturalists are like Joesph Campbell, they believe that the narrative, practices and rituals of myth can help human beings find well-being. Even though they don't believe they are literally true.

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Originally Posted By Aircommander91⏩
just because you don't understand His reasons doesn't make Him wrong.

He IS incapable of error.

you're just a too naive child questioning something beyond your understanding.

you're in the wrong here for questioning and doubting.
Ya I knew you'd say something like that. It's kind of like little kids putting their fingers in their ears or a mom saying "because i told you so!!" Once she runs out of explanations as to why a kid can't do something.

Like I said y'all can't back up anything and that's why it always comes down to two things

-god is incapable of error (it's Adam's fault)

-the bible said so, so let God be truth and every man be a liar






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Originally Posted By Girlgoneweird⏩
Christians grasp at straws when they can see the holes in their logic but don't want to give it up completely and sound retarded.

They say "god answered the prayer by allowing the doctor to heal them..it's a muracle!!"

Or "god answered my prayer byNOTanswering it."

They will tell a cancer patient
"God will heal you in his own time" ....then when that person dies? They say."god healed them because they are no longer suffering anymore! They have a new body!"


What the actual fukc?!
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Originally Posted By Aircommander91⏩
just because you don't understand His reasons doesn't make Him wrong.

He IS incapable of error.

you're just a too naive child questioning something beyond your understanding.

you're in the wrong here for questioning and doubting.
Surely, God didn't make an error every single time an amputee prayed hard enough for their leg to grow back... I mean he must've at least answered one of their prayers! I apologize for being naive and being wrong for questioning or doubting any of his abilities. I actually find it shocking that there isn't one amputee out there who doesn't have enough faith to pray their limb back on to their body. Guess they just don't have what it takes
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Originally Posted By ZMAg⏩
Fixed...
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Retarded parents, criminal negligence.

No clue why this is being used to attack Christianity as a whole. Never heard any biblical references about not taking your kid to the hospital.
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