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post 1511061811 07-07-2017, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
dead fckin srs, I think deads and bench are trash for the body and im starting to believe squats are the same

but if i wasn't a lifter if i looked at your avi and then op's i'd go with op's advice 100% of the time. but your money where your mouth is boyo op's physique chits on you
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Originally Posted By SkinnyBeast24⏩
Like I care? My knowledge > his physique.

If you knew anything about anatomical adaptation and how important that is when you start training, then maybe you could be throwing up heavy compounds and making real progress.

I'll take going from 6'4 165 pounds to 6'5 240 in past 6 years, going from db benching 20 pound's to a 305 max, etc. and be content with it everytime.

I get smarter every single day, I will train smarter every single day, and will keep making progress every single day.

Welcome to the marathon, bitch.
explain how with your superior knowledge you still look like the average gym bro

lmao @ your cope knowledge =/= results boyo
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Originally Posted By bigmane123⏩
squats are goat

but deadlifts are a total copelift
Calls deadlifts a copelift...



Uses cell tech to cope...
post 1511062011 07-07-2017, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
but if i wasn't a lifter if i looked at your avi and then op's i'd go with op's advice 100% of the time. but your money where your mouth is boyo op's physique chits on you
also



you not going to take advice from the best physical therapist that is probably alive today? the **** she has done for strength and conditioning field.

age: 22

lot of growing up to do bud

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post 1511062191 07-07-2017, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
explain how with your superior knowledge you still look like the average gym bro

lmao @ your cope knowledge =/= results boyo
non-avi's gunna non-avi.
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post 1511062441 07-07-2017, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By SkinnyBeast24⏩
also



you not going to take advice from the best physical therapist that is probably alive today? the **** she has done for strength and conditioning field.


look at it from this perspective buddy boyo this dude had no knowledge of bio-mechanics , hell this dude was alive before antibiotics yet he looks better than you. Explain that one to me real quick and I'll consider replying to you again
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we talking low rep squats or squats in general? ive been hating deads more and more so this could be another reason to help cope them out of my routine.
post 1511062821 07-07-2017, 07:30 PM
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[QUOTE=ayyy post_id=1511062441][img]http://haltero.h.a.pic.centerblog.net/teoqx88l.jpg mg] look at it from this perspective buddy boyo this dude had no knowledge of bio-mechanics , hell this dude was alive before antibiotics yet he looks better than you. Explain that one to me real quick and I'll consider replying to you again[/QUOTE]The day i'm using other men's physiques instead of mine in an argument that you are desperately trying to make is the day I buy a chair, rope, and head to the closet. Keep watching guzman and bradley martyn and all these other playboys thinking they are the smartest people on the planet and living your life through them. At night when you finally stop lurking the misc browsing for male's avi's, instead of going on pornhub for the 6th time in the past 12 hours, I want you to look up gym memberships. I don't care if it is planet fitness or waldo's wonky bars. I want you to go for 1 day and perform 1 workout for at least 30 minutes. Do this for 3 to 6 months and then make sure to hire somebody for lighting as you spend 5 hours trying to get as close as an avi as possible to whatever physique you'll never reach because you have the attitude and mindset of a kardashian.
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Tbh if you can't sit in a proper 3rd world/slav squat ... just don't squat. You already ruined your mobility. But OP, cmon man, you don't know the first thing about sports biomechanics if you are denouncing squats.

See how toddlers squat? You should be able to squat like that with zero effort and sit in that positionand be able to maintain a position of rest.If you can't do that, you have compromised your mobility via sitting/inactiveness/simulated femoral retro or anteversion. Maybe you lost ankle dorsiflexion.

Either way, squats done by people with proper mobility don't stress your body. At all.


Cliffs: OP. Stop being a lazy poosie
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
look at it from this perspective buddy boyo this dude had no knowledge of bio-mechanics , hell this dude was alive before antibiotics yet he looks better than you. Explain that one to me real quick and I'll consider replying to you again
Wow awesome rebuttal, a black and white pic of a guy, your on your way to big things boyo maybe you should join the fukin special ed debate team
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
explain how with your superior knowledge you still look like the average gym bro

lmao @ your cope knowledge =/= results boyo
The NASA melvin knows more than the astronaut. Doesn't mean he's gonna be an astronaut.
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Originally Posted By SkinnyBeast24⏩
The day i'm using other men's physiques instead of mine in an argument that you are desperately trying to make is the day I buy a chair, rope, and head to the closet. Keep watching guzman and bradley martyn and all these other playboys thinking they are the smartest people on the planet and living your life through them. At night when you finally stop lurking the misc browsing for male's avi's, instead of going on pornhub for the 6th time in the past 12 hours, I want you to look up gym memberships. I don't care if it is planet fitness or waldo's wonky bars. I want you to go for 1 day and perform 1 workout for at least 30 minutes. Do this for 3 to 6 months and then make sure to hire somebody for lighting as you spend 5 hours trying to get as close as an avi as possible to whatever physique you'll never reach because you have the attitude and mindset of a kardashian.
you know what's hilarious about this entire argument is I know I have more knowledge about bio mechanics and biology than you do yet here you are caught up in this cope that I called your physique chit lmao

we are in a thread about looking good bud and you came in trying to talk about how putting up big numbers is the key to a good physique with yet again 0 evidence to back this up other than "your glutes are weak lul"
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
Damn y'all *****s really trying to take the lifting out of weightlifting huh ?
lol

*******s just don't wanna do the hard exercises

stop trying to lift as heavy as possible

if you never go over 3 plates you'll still benefit from deadlifts and squats
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lmao bunch of pussies in here
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
we are in a thread about looking good bud
title thread: Squats and deadlifts are obsolete

Keep trolling from that terrible hourly job you dwell in. Every breath you take is a waste of oxygen to our society.
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Originally Posted By SkinnyBeast24⏩
title thread: Squats and deadlifts are obsolete

Keep trolling from that terrible hourly job you dwell in. Every breath you take is a waste of oxygen to our society.
obsolete with the idea of hypertrophy in mind. I know you're not the best looking so i was hoping you'd atleast have the brains to back that up but I guess not.
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
obsolete with the idea of hypertrophy in mind. I know you're not the best looking so i was hoping you'd atleast have the brains to back that up but I guess not.
In which case, they still are not. Keep diluting your rat brain with instagram "natties" thinking you can achieve impossible physiques.

Naturals need to do multi-joint exercises. If they don't want to take the time to address postural imbalances, and then complain how ****ty they are cause they snapped something then that's on them but doesn't mean they are useless. The compounds are king for all types of adaptations.

They are staples in all programs.
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I think Dorian Yates stopped with the squats. If I recall correctly, he felt some people benefited more from it than he did (something like).

I personally think adjusting form with a consideration of body type, will yield different gains on the legs - wider stance vs narrower stance, or bar heights, grip, sumo vs regular etc

I also think some people, like 'bodybuilders', want to avoid hard exercises.

IMO, if you've gotten to the point where your squatting 500 and deadlifting 600, you've probably earned the right to discontinue for /reasons (medical aside).
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Originally Posted By SkinnyBeast24⏩
In which case, they still are not. Keep diluting your rat brain with instagram "natties" thinking you can achieve impossible physiques.

Naturals need to do multi-joint exercises. If they don't want to take the time to address postural imbalances, and then complain how ****ty they are cause they snapped something then that's on them but doesn't mean they are useless. The compounds are king for all types of adaptations.

They are staples in all programs.
I agree 100%, but after a certain weight is achieved your body just isn't meant to handle it. Why would I load 400lbs on my back when I want to target my quads and I could do 225lb hack squats and hit them harder? That is the point I want to get across not that these exercises are useless for people starting out
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
I agree 100%, but after a certain weight is achieved your body just isn't meant to handle it. Why would I load 400lbs on my back when I want to target my quads and I could do 225lb hack squats and hit them harder? That is the point I want to get across not that these exercises are useless for people starting out
The problem is once you get near advanced-elite #'s, is when you need to start SERIOUSLY taking your periodization seriously while making sure you do tons of pre-hab work (stretching, foam rolling)..this can add another 20-30 minutes to a workout. Lots of people don't have the time/dedication to do that every single day.

So yes, realistic expectations should be met but people just don't understand how hard those big numbers are to achieve as a natural without seriously hammering away at the nutrition, sleep, hydration, stretching, and all the other bull**** which adds up to hitting those goals. It ain't easy.

With every program, you take the needs of the individual in mind. However, they all should be doing big compound movements ONCE you can ENSURE they have the technique down and are recruiting the correct neuromuscular patterns to avoid any injuries.
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Squats are valuable, deadlifting is a useless ego lift.
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
I think Dorian Yates stopped with the squats. If I recall correctly, he felt some people benefited more from it than he did (something like).
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No disrespect to him and any other legend, but anybody that has abused illegal substances can't be in the same conversation as a natural. Comparing Mars to Earth and their advice shouldn't be taking seriously unless they are backing it up with science + research.
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Originally Posted By FU3L⏩
Squats are valuable, deadlifting is a useless ego lift.
The masses have made it that way, but it's still near the top of posterior chain work. It's vital for Hip extension where the body generates most of its forward force while running. The most power is generated from gluteus maximus contraction.

I am a fan of rack pulls instead, much safer. However, to say it is useless is idiotic. It works multiple muscle groups. The problem is not only are people **** at form, but people do not know how to teach it either and that is b/c they can't address simple ass postural problems in their clients.
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Came in expecting a pussified manmore
Leaving satisfied

If you replace deadlift with reverse sissy squats on leg day and bent over rows on back day though you will get better posterior chain recruitment and 0 of the back pain
Hm.

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Why does this thread always happen? Like who phucking cares if you don't want to do compound exercises.
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Originally Posted By SkinnyBeast24⏩
No disrespect to him and any other legend, but anybody that has abused illegal substances can't be in the same conversation as a natural. Comparing Mars to Earth and their advice shouldn't be taking seriously unless they are backing it up with science + research.
Yes, yes it can. Though I agree, results may be different, sometimes the principles holds to be universal - between natty or not.
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Don't agree about squats to be honest. This is the GOAT exercise, period.

Dead lifts are too easy and do not correspond to size/ gains in my experience. Have happily dropped this.
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Originally Posted By Deathguard⏩
Yes, yes it can. Though I agree, results may be different, sometimes the principles holds to be universal - between natty or not.
Are you retarded bro? Just wondering. LOL at using the word "principles". Baseless *******
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Originally Posted By achillesbruh⏩
we talking low rep squats or squats in general? ive been hating deads more and more so this could be another reason to help cope them out of my routine.
You are coping, Son. Be a man and do it the other way around.
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I agree 100% on deads. I've always found it ridiculously easy to add on weight with or without any extra mass.


Squats are the GOAT leg exercise tho.
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