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post 1543316731 02-09-2018, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
do you believe you're not a hypocrit?
Genuinely not although prone to sarcastic outbursts on occasion
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Those with kids were they planed or did they just happen?
Planned two, third was just misfortune
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didnt he just say he practices forgiveness? Do you need more understanding how forgiveness is a trait that would improve our world, what if everyone could forgive their enemy?
That’s not a thing, that’s simply comes across as religious pomposity ....or maybe I don’t get how you feel that is doing good

.if he truly “turned the other cheek” he wouldn’t be lashing out online
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Wanted 2. Had 3. The third happened before my vasectomy. Love all 3.
when you had children did you learn about a new kind of love.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
In bold was actually my precise stance up until recently. The only reason I started to move even more towards center (I think the bolded is a defense for creationism) was because in debating this issue, separating God from science was unacceptable for atheists, as they abide by the fundamental rule that all beings must have a beginning or a birth. Well religion says that God has no beginning, he always was. Even the universe had a beginning - so when you reach that layer; the debate turns into a stalemate or self-proclaimed victory.

Now I kind of bench myself but sometimes point out immature assumptions or fallacies. I use a term I heard from a TV personality - I'd describe myself as "cheerfully agnostic".



I suppose humans would evaluate it as chance. I.E. - God makes man, man exhibits a chance at becoming sinful. But in the end God would still have total control and just chooses to act or not act.
I would ask, where is the starting point of a sphere?

What is the side of a circle?

According to the "fundamental rules" of Euclidean geometry, the rule is that all triangles are 180 degrees.

But what if you drew a triangle on a sphere? It could be 270 degrees. It doesn't fit the rule - it is it's own set of geometry,with it's own set of parameters .

I would expect the one who created all this to be above the parameters of the natural world.

Even gravity and time have different parameters the further out you go in space.
post 1543317021 02-09-2018, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
when you had children did you learn about a new kind of love.
When my first child was born and I held her in my arms my first thought was "now I know why my parents were strict (strict in the sense of teaching me right from wrong and in protecting me from danger) with me".
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post 1543317061 02-09-2018, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
So beyond worship, how do you live as a Christian, what do you actually do in the name of your religion that benefits others and brings succour to the world?
I generally live as a good person. I'm not clocking in volunteer hours at the local soup kitchen or anything like that. I do not count or make note of my good deeds. They should be done, period. And that's all there is to it.
Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
That can be seen as insulting, so I will concede that. Still though, your response didn't answer my question at all.
I'm not sure the answer you're looking for. You would naturally try to emulate someone you look up to or worship. I can try to emulate Christ, but that's it. You may only try. You will never fully succeed in emulating the embodiment of God. He knows that, we know that. So I pray for his mercy and forgiveness.

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I still think we all believe in God we just have a different definition for him/her/it, I still want you guys to check out the Law of Attraction I really think the bible and other religions try to teach this, but in different tongues
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
I still think we all believe in God we just have a different definition for him/her/it, I still want you guys to check out the Law of Attraction I really think the bible and other religions try to teach this, but in different tongues
i think you are possibly some genius level troll
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
When my first child was born and I held her in my arms my first thought was "now I know why my parents were strict (strict in the sense of teaching me right from wrong and in protecting me from danger) with me".
do you think you could sucessfully explain this new understanding of love to some who isn't a parent or is this feeling something you have to learn first hand to truly understand
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post 1543317491 02-09-2018, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
do you think you could sucessfully explain this new understanding of love to some who isn't a parent or is this feeling something you have to learn first hand to truly understand
Based on my experience, likely not.
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post 1543317501 02-09-2018, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted By Vito-C⏩
I generally live as a good person. I'm not clocking in volunteer hours at the local soup kitchen or anything like that. I do not count or make note of my good deeds. They should be done, period. And that's all there is to it.
I don’t see how that answers the question.. what does living as a good person mean?
How do you benefit the people in your life, in your community?
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
I still think we all believe in God we just have a different definition for him/her/it, I still want you guys to check out the Law of Attraction I really think the bible and other religions try to teach this, but in different tongues
I believe in Jonathan Livingstone Seagull if that makes you happy

Nontheists aren’t necessarily devoid of spirit

We just don’t accept the concept of an omnipotent omnipresent being designed by man
post 1543317851 02-09-2018, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
I still think we all believe in God we just have a different definition for him/her/it, I still want you guys to check out the Law of Attraction I really think the bible and other religions try to teach this, but in different tongues
Some people believe in some powerful force, and some believe in something else entirely, but not everyone believes there is something supernatural out there.

I think there could be, I just wouldn't bet money on it.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
This is infinitely more abstract than the notion of a single creator, so not sure what your point is. I'm guessing a false correlation.

Also was going to quote your previous post; you don't believe nationalism and racism were driving factors behind the Holocaust? Wew lad.
Yes nationalism and purification was major factors in the holocaust however Nazis where Christian iirc brah.

The quote you quoted was rust cohle on time being a flat circle brother. I do not honestly care what people believe in, if it makes them feel better, fulfilled and worth living life then proceed.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Based on my experience, likely not.
so then if someone found a way to experience Gods true love wouldn't that to be hard to explain to someone that's never known God,

I really have everything I could ever dream of and I think it's from understanding how the law of attraction works, God grace towards me is unbelievable I wish I could explain, in all honesty I should be dead, but I am blessed beyond measure
I think I could share this experience with you if you worked the 12 steps explained in AA or any recovery program,
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post 1543318001 02-09-2018, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
I believe in Jonathan Livingstone Seagull if that makes you happy

Nontheists aren’t necessarily devoid of spirit

We just don’t accept the concept of an omnipotent omnipresent being designed by man
What do you think created humans?
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post 1543318221 02-09-2018, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
What do you think created humans?
Evolution from Primordial ooze

Big Bang theory
post 1543318431 02-09-2018, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted By meenman83⏩
Yes nationalism and purification was major factors in the holocaust however Nazis where Christian iirc brah.

The quote you quoted was rust cohle on time being a flat circle brother. I do not honestly care what people believe in, if it makes them feel better, fulfilled and worth living life then proceed.
I really doubt Nazis were Christian. More like they hijacked the religion to sway the masses for their own benefit.No Christian is gassing millions of people. That disqualifys you from the religion.
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
I don’t see how that answers the question.. what does living as a good person mean?
How do you benefit the people in your life, in your community?
Obviously I can't answer for Vito, for I will answer for myself.

I'm an airline pilot who makes a very decent living and who has time on his hands. I give back to the community in terms of charitable monetary donations, by donating time and helping at the local food bank, by raising 3 children, by organizing community events for both the adults and children in my community. I will, from time to time, fly in my own airplane and on my own dime, less fortunate people who need to travel to see loved ones who are in hospital or even in prison out of town. My main focus is obviously on my kids but I feel it's important to give back to the community that in part raised me.
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post 1543318581 02-09-2018, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Evolution from Primordial ooze

Big Bang theory
Then nature itself is that amazing. Wouldn't that Make it your God?
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Evolution from Primordial ooze

Big Bang theory
can you explain the tools used to explain the Big Bang theory or do you just have faith those who taught you wer correct? If you could explain the Big Bang to me in a language a basic simpleton man like me could understand that would be great, but I don't have enough faith to believe everything came from something as small as an atom
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
I really doubt Nazis were Christian. More like they hijacked the religion to sway the masses for their own benefit.No Christian is gassing millions of people. That disqualifys you from the religion.
not really if you think gassing a million will save 10 million. or if someone just tells you to push a button and drop a bomb. ethics can get confusing pretty quickly my durd, with the hypotheticals



hypothetically a guy gassing some of the prisoners in a camp have his own way of rationalizing his patriotic duties. he still may believe that he is a christian, and moreover, he has an infinite amount of times to repent and be forgiven etc etc.
Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
Then nature itself is that amazing. Wouldn't that Make it your God?
honestly for me it would, and i like sci-fi so i like a alien superbeing having panspermiated (nutted) on the galaxy a laprometheus. not so different than the biblical god if you wanna be charitable.
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
I really doubt Nazis were Christian. More like they hijacked the religion to sway the masses for their own benefit.No Christian is gassing millions of people. That disqualifys you from the religion.
Weren't Christians in the bible instructed, on numerous occasions, to kill people?
Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
Then nature itself is that amazing. Wouldn't that Make it your God?
No, that would make it amazing
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
so then if someone found a way to experience Gods true love wouldn't that to be hard to explain to someone that's never known God,

I really have everything I could ever dream of and I think it's from understanding how the law of attraction works, God grace towards me is unbelievable I wish I could explain, in all honesty I should be dead, but I am blessed beyond measure
I think I could share this experience with you if you worked the 12 steps explained in AA or any recovery program,
yall ignoring this statement
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Weren't Christians in the bible instructed, on numerous occasions, to kill people?
well if it was old testament it would be... christianranoldo.gif
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Originally Posted By meenman83⏩
Yes nationalism and purification was major factors in the holocaust however Nazis where Christian iirc brah.

The quote you quoted was rust cohle on time being a flat circle brother. I do not honestly care what people believe in, if it makes them feel better, fulfilled and worth living life then proceed.
eh? Nazi's committed many affronts to the church after coming to power. Many high ranking Hitler appointed officials detested religion, calling in irreconcilable with Nazism. However there was also the opposite , I'll give you.

Take the value system of Christianity and that of Nazism, how much congruence really do they have with each other? Very little. This is why I conclude that Hitler used religion as a populist tool, and in an era where religion had far more sway, otherwise you wouldn't find such differing actions and perceptions towards religion by Nazis. They even used pagan symbols in their propoganda and appointed pro-pagan officials. In layman's terms, Hitler was a world class bullshietter

Middle Ages Popes and Bishops on the other hand..
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So you guys and girls agree it would be hard to explain the love one has for a child to someone that doesn't have children, so then would you agree it would also be hard to explain God love to someone who has never had a relationship with God.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
yall ignoring this statement
Ignored because it's jibberish. Come back with something meaningful and sensical and maybe we can talk.
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When I joined the army I joined as an Athiest when I joined the navy a few years after that I joined as a born again believer in God
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Weren't Christians in the bible instructed, on numerous occasions, to kill people?

No, that would make it amazing
Which? I'm ok with killing for survival. Don't think that's what the Nazis were doing. If the natives had killed all the people trying to steal their land I'd be okay with that. Native Americans should have built a wall.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
So you guys and girls agree it would be hard to explain the love one has for a child to someone that doesn't have children, so then would you agree it would also be hard to explain God love to someone who has never had a relationship with God.
I can't answer this given that I don't believe in an all loving god.
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