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post 1544512441 02-21-2018, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
Guns aren't violent, people are.
Exactly. But this doesnt stop people from exploiting a tragedy for political agendas. If we applied gun control logic to other areas, then we should ban cancer because it kills 10 times as many people than guns
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according to the state of california everything can give you cancer, ban all the things lol
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
I’ll tell you what would work. Mandatory psych evaluations every 4 years. It would be a win win. You would get most guns off the streets and most gun nuts on proper medicine. You have a history of mental illness? No guns. Already own a gun? You have X amount of time to see a shrink, if not you’re ass is going straight to jail and you don’t get to pass go. Hell can even take it a step further and do how the military does where they interview friends/family of people. If friends say you’re a loner who makes violent comments, no guns for you.


You pass the psych evaluation and you get as many AR-15s as your heart desires.
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Armed private security or police officers and training teachers/staff is one option i'd go for. Stricter laws on AR yes. At least have a few licensed trained adults with access to a taser with proper yearly training. Don't even tell the teachers who's licensed in case is one of them lol. In Los Angeles there's on duty police officers stationed to the school. No gun violence reported as far as I remember going to school.
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post 1544534231 02-22-2018, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
Its cool man. Keeping your family pretty much helpless sounds like an amazing idea.2.7 million deaths annually in the USAand 100k come from gun violence. That's 3% of the deaths per year are by guns. To put this into perspective, gun deaths arent even in the top 20 of annual deaths. This is no perfect plans by any means, but why would you purposely keep someone from having a fighting chance?
yeah bruh old age really can sneak up on you like a deranged 17 year old who's about to shoot up a school.
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
The BIGGEST problem with gun violence, is how people get their hands on guns in the first place. I completely support (though i dont think i made that clear yet) amending the way guns are attained before a crazy gets one. But even then, strict gun laws WILL NOT STOP those who already have firearms to begin with. Which is why you need to protect yourself. Tightening guns laws and HOPING that they stop some ass hole from going nuts is stupid. DOnt be such a drama queen about teachers taking bigger roles int he protection of students. Keep firearms in designated places that can ONLY be accessed by qualified teachers.

Bullying is terrible, so lets just make ti illegal and hope that bullies follow the mandates rather than teaching kids ways to protect themselves
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post 1544535091 02-22-2018, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted By cphunter70⏩
Armed private security or police officers and training teachers/staff is one option i'd go for. Stricter laws on AR yes. At least have a few licensed trained adults with access to a taser with proper yearly training. Don't even tell the teachers who's licensed in case is one of them lol. In Los Angeles there's on duty police officers stationed to the school. No gun violence reported as far as I remember going to school.
More police! More laws! More restrictions! Will make us safe?

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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
The FBI says that states with the most legally owned weapons have the least amount of gun violence. Its time to train and arm teachers. Anything else is a half measure.
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If I were a teacher I would certainly take whatever measures I could to protect myself and the kids I teach. You trust them with your kids education you should trust them with being a protector as well, all this inaction and gun free zone bullchit just allows crazies to run rampant rather than empowering the people who are most at risk of being caught in the middle of one of these events to actually do something about it.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
source:http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Interesting website. Check out the charts and maps. Looks like part of the north and midwest and a bit of south west seem to have the least gun violence problems. South east, mid atlantic, and north east are not in good shape though.

Please discuss.
It is interesting that most of the gun violence happens in urban areas which are almost all heavily democratic/liberal in this country. It's also interesting that there are more guns per capita in rural areas yet less gun violence. Of course no liberal will ever recognize the logical conclusion behind those two facts.
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post 1544537671 02-22-2018, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
the average teacher is soft and will not fight, the only way it would work is to have dedicated armed security, but the shooters typically dont seem to care if they live or die so i dont think it would deter them from trying.. people hate eachother and society, so as long as that factor remains we will have crazies trying to kill masses of people on the regular
If their goal is to go shoot up a school and there is armed security they'll either target said armed security first or will be deterred for fear of being killed before they can get started.


I agree teachers are too soft. Where I live middle/high schools have an actual police officer stationed at the school. These are veteran officers that get assigned to the school resource officer position. Its just expensive. Your looking at about 60K per year for an officer in a school here. Multiply that by an officer in every school.........
Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
It is interesting that most of the gun violence happens in urban areas which are almost all heavily democratic/liberal in this country. It's also interesting that there are more guns per capita in rural areas yet less gun violence. Of course no liberal will ever recognize the logical conclusion behind those two facts.
It happens mostly in minority/poor communities. Which is usually in democratic/liberal areas... School shootings is a very different animal from thug on thug violence though.
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Originally Posted By Cinderblock⏩
What are the stats for gun deaths in other 1st world countries?

I'm neutral on this topic, I'm just saying there are other 1st world countries that have figured out how to not have kids slaughtered like animals when they're at school. Maybe we should see what they're doing that we currently aren't doing as part of a brainstorm.
Please name a 1st world country that compares in anyway to the USA. Our land mass is huge, our diversity is ridiculous, our population is massive, and we border a bunch of 3rd world countries that are among the most violent in the world.

England? An island nation, very homogeneous, smaller than Oregon, less population than Texas & California combined, borders no 3rd world chit holes.

Of course they always leave out the eastern block countries of Europe. The ones that are chitholes or border chitholes. Can't have them ruining the "peaceful europe" narrative.
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post 1544537881 02-22-2018, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
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2. Just because it’s a constitutional right doesn’t mean there aren’t laws limiting it. Hell there are laws right now....
3. And that was a ****en stupid statement and stupid thing to do.


Nothing, but if you’re caught in possession of a firearm and you aren’t up to date on your psych evaluation, you’re going to ****en prison, just like if you broke other laws? Gun nuts always say they follow the laws and aren’t criminals, this should be a non issue.
Yup... make criminals out of 150 million law abiding citizens. That sounds like a genius idea. Any other chitty emotional arguments we should know about?
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post 1544538221 02-22-2018, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
It happens mostly in minority/poor communities. Which is usually in democratic/liberal areas... School shootings is a very different animal from thug on thug violence though.
The statistic listed is on "gun violence" not school shootings.

But if you want to talk about school shootings and/or mass shootings. Here is a fact:

You have a better chance of being struck by lightning twice than be involved in one.


Here is another fact:

All gun murders in the last 100 yearsworld wideare a drop in the bucket compared to the number of people murdered by their own government during the same time period. You are 30x more likely to get murdered by your government than some wackjob civilian with a gun.

The top 3 incident alone of government killings its own people equate to almost a quarter billion people. About 11,000 people die in the USA from gun homicides in recent times. So ... it would take roughly 22,727 years at that rate to equal murderous government in the 20th century.

What could go wrong with ensuring that the benevolent government has all the guns? I mean they're so trust worthy and honest... did you see how many bankers got locked up after the 2008 crash?
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
1. Gun owners. It’s a fee. Pay to play.
2. Just because it’s a constitutional right doesn’t mean there aren’t laws limiting it. Hell there are laws right now....
3. And that was a ****en stupid statement and stupid thing to do.


Nothing, but if you’re caught in possession of a firearm and you aren’t up to date on your psych evaluation, you’re going to ****en prison, just like if you broke other laws? Gun nuts always say they follow the laws and aren’t criminals, this should be a non issue.
Having somebody pay to exercise their 2A is unconstitutional. You do know that concealed permit holders have a crime rate lower than that of cops, right? How are you going to get the gang members to do their psych evals? Won't people lie in psych evals?
How about this, people who are known to drink, from the social drinker up to the daily drinker, are forced to go get psych evals in order to operate a motor vehicle. Anybody who got caught talking/texting while driving must have their phones checked periodically for messages that were sent while driving.
Why stop there... we should make any person who follows the religion of Islam also submit to a psych test too. Since there have been 30,000+ islamic inspired attacks worldwide since 9/11, we must make our islamic citizens submit to evals because of the extremists and their wrongdoing. And since we are on the subject of having to pay to exercise our rights, if the cops come to your home and want to search it, you can pay them and then your 4th amendment right will kick in.
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Hey DB, where in Texas are you located? I'm looking to move to Tyler in the next year or so. Konnecticut is a trash state, with trash representatives, with trash gun laws, high taxes, failing infrastructure, ect.
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
Forcing a teacher to train with a firearm is absolutely unconstitutional. Regular gun training teaches you to evaluate situations and make informed decisions. The best way to fight one sided gun violence is by evening the odds. Not putting up "gun free zone" signs (where 92% of all mass shootings occur) and implimenting state-wide gun control measures that dont effect criminals (where gun violence is most prevalent. the cities and states witht he strictest gun laws)
Hurr durr muh guns

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Originally Posted By Murk
Hey DB, where in Texas are you located? I'm looking to move to Tyler in the next year or so. Konnecticut is a trash state, with trash representatives, with trash gun laws, high taxes, failing infrastructure, ect.
I'm in the West/Central area of Texas. Its a big state. I've only been to Tyler a couple of times in my life. Didn't really care for it.
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It's not a gun problem, and never will be a gun problem.
People have been killing eachother since the beginning of man, and it will continue until we're extinct.

Stop blaming guns for the actions of people.
We don't blame a car for a drunk driver killing some one.
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Originally Posted By LiveOnce⏩
Hurr durr muh guns

U backwoods idiot.
He made a good argument and you retort with some BS.
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Originally Posted By dbluevette⏩
I'm in the West/Central area of Texas. Its a big state. I've only been to Tyler a couple of times in my life. Didn't really care for it.
Any opinions on Abilene, Amarillo, or Lubbock?
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
I get that gun control and whatnot seems liek the best solution for gun violence, but it absolutely did not work for the war on drugs and i am not suggestion easing regulations at all. I am simply suggesting that we provide people with opportunities to protect themselves. Murder is illegal, yet it still happens. What is a great way to even the odds? Educate and train yourself with a firearm. I'm sure as chit not going to target someone that is adept in firearm safety
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well you can't smuggle an ar 15 up your ass can you
You don't know my life
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2 pages and no one has posted the race demographic map of the US
Compare the two.
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Originally Posted By GnarlySheen⏩
What's your solution?
Ban Schools. School shootings will go down to 0 instantly
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Originally Posted By SikhAndDestroy⏩
2 pages and no one has posted the race demographic map of the US
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you're the one making the connotation you racist
i was implying socio-economic downfalls in areas populated with certain races
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
location: Mississippi.


Not surprised at all.
He’s right. It’s called common sense.

Now run back to your (not so) safe space.
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