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Thread: Is there any light heavyweight MMA fighter who could take prime Roy Jones Jr?

post 1564109331 10-19-2018, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted By PrimarisIn⏩
It wouldnt be hard to duck under right hand and shoot in or bait for a boxer to overextend and be off balance.
Then why is it that men who have trained since childhood to duck punches (boxers) get caught if it "wouldn't be hard"?
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Originally Posted By PrimarisIn⏩
Lol u would rek prime rjj.

On winklejohns its interesting because donald cerrone was saying how they are running it like a puppy mill. Former champs such as holly holms was sparring against 'homeless' ppl looking to knock her head out with no regard to safety and general camp preparedness.


I dont know why ppl think ufc fighters would only throw punches in a supposed street fight. These are smart ppl fellas. It wouldnt be hard to duck under right hand and shoot in or bait for a boxer to overextend and be off balance.
You couldn't dodge a RJJ punch now much less in his prime.
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post 1564109851 10-19-2018, 10:35 AM
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Did this thread get bumped from 2008? whoa time warp

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Originally Posted By PrimarisIn⏩
Lol u would rek prime rjj.

On winklejohns its interesting because donald cerrone was saying how they are running it like a puppy mill. Former champs such as holly holms was sparring against 'homeless' ppl looking to knock her head out with no regard to safety and general camp preparedness.


I dont know why ppl think ufc fighters would only throw punches in a supposed street fight. These are smart ppl fellas. It wouldnt be hard to duck under right hand and shoot in or bait for a boxer to overextend and be off balance.
It wouldn't be hard? LMAO. Boxers who're purely trained to dodge punches still got knocked out by RJJ with ease. He literally made them look like fools. LOL at thinking it's to dodge punches from a world champion boxer. You are a fool

Again I ask you, how do you grab a guy who's hands are as fast as bullets with superior footwork? If no boxer could come close to knocking him out, what makes you think a BJJ/Wrestler can??
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Roy was an elite athlete. He was never the most sound or fundamental boxer, decent but he got by a lot on his ridiculous athleticism. This would help him in any sport. Also street fights never look like an MMA fight and half the time never ever go to the ground.

Also its a street fight so Roy can bite the **** out of him, grab his nuts and squeeze, bite his testicle, or poke his eyes out when on ground forcing him to let go. So that diminishes the MMA guys ability to hold him down.
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Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat⏩
Then why is it that men who have trained since childhood to duck punches (boxers) get caught if it "wouldn't be hard"?
He thinks HS wrestling turns you into Neo from the Matrix.
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Alot of people seem to be failing to realise how immense of an athlete RJJ was in his prime, insanely fast, insanely athletic and had god tier hand speed along with punch power of a heavyweight while weighing just 160lbs. He has one of (if not the only) recorded compubox full 3 minute rounds where the opponent failed to land a single punch on him.

You're making some hellish assumptions about the MMA fighter being able to get within range to do anything without being knocked out, most people who went up against prime RJJ found it hard to even hit him flush nevermind knock him down, he was that fast and mobile.

The majority of fights in the street have about a 5-10 second period where punches get thrown before they clinch and end up on the ground, I find it extremely hard to believe someone is getting close enough to Roy to get hold of him before getting either A) knocked out as they try go for his legs/arms or B) moved away from as his footwork was extremely unorthodox and very loose/quick.

thread is dumb, too many variables.
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Originally Posted By bchap05⏩
poke his eyes out when on ground forcing him to let go. So that diminishes the MMA guys ability to hold him down.
Pokes are common fouls in grappling and rugby, people do not 'stop in their tracks' like is commonly preached by self protection instructors.

I honestly think most self protections instructors who tell people how deadly eye poking and attempted eye gouging are, have never done it in a street fight or competitive environment. MMA fighters stop and have a time out when poked in the eye, because they can, not because they are incapacitated.

It's hard to poke someone's eyes out, when they reflexively slam their eyes shut when a finger touches their eye. I've gouged twice in fights, and you end up ripping into their tear duct. Again, I honestly think most people who promote eye pokes and gouging, have no real experience in competition or fights.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Just a street fight no weapons obviously
U can't say that bcuz in the field the baddest ones got straps and switchblades on em, that's y u don't pullover to fight a roadrage driver


Honestly just depends on who attacks first, RJJ was just too fast, but if JJ would get his arms around him 1 takedown he's ****ed
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MikeLowreyyy is clearly one of those fans you see at the bar. Super drunk and screaming profanities at the TV screen, thinking he has boxing/MMA experience only because he has watched a few fights.

Also, OP is the worst troll to ever exist
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Originally Posted By AdamSMW⏩
I would say that a legit 15 years old BJJ blue belt will whip the floor with him, boxing experience only always loses to any kind of grappling.
You sound like my 5"6 140lb buddy who's a BJJ white belt and thinks he could take Floyd Mayweather in a real fight....


No. A grappler who doesn't know how to disguise their takedown attempts with feints is going to get knocked the **** out shooting in with their chin out.
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Originally Posted By Fuqdatass⏩
You clearly have never been in a fight if you think that’s how they work
You've clearly been fed too much Gracie jiujitsu propaganda if you think "90% of fights end up on the ground" or whatever the bullchit stat was. Ask any nightclub bouncer how often they've ended up on the ground during an altercation. Most will say 0.
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Originally Posted By Mr.PissShivers⏩

But if this was an actualreal fightToney could be eye gouging and rabbit punching all he wants. Plus, in a street fight the ground is the last place you want to be anyway. Almost no street fights stay 1 vs 1, there's always people who jump in.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Pokes are common fouls in grappling and rugby, people do not 'stop in their tracks' like is commonly preached by self protection instructors.

I honestly think most self protections instructors who tell people how deadly eye poking and attempted eye gouging are, have never done it in a street fight or competitive environment. MMA fighters stop and have a time out when poked in the eye, because they can, not because they are incapacitated.

It's hard to poke someone's eyes out, when they reflexively slam their eyes shut when a finger touches their eye. I've gouged twice in fights, and you end up ripping into their tear duct. Again, I honestly think most people who promote eye pokes and gouging, have no real experience in competition or fights.
What about testicle biting. Do you have stats on the use of testicle bites during ground fighting?
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Two questions

Whats the difference between a street fight and a real fight as stated in your OP?

Have you ever seen what happens to a side posture boxing stance when faced with leg kicks and takedowns? One leg kick from a muay thai fighter would probably break/damage his leg so severely he wouldnt be able to continue or even get off a punch.

Boxing has very specific rules so does not translate well when people disregard those rules and do things like kick you or rush under your punches and double or single leg takedown you and now you are on your back trying to punch with no leverage... never really works well for the guy on the bottom.
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Originally Posted By NorthernLad93⏩
You sound like my 5"6 140lb buddy who's a BJJ white belt and thinks he could take Floyd Mayweather in a real fight....


No. A grappler who doesn't know how to disguise their takedown attempts with feints is going to get knocked the **** out shooting in with their chin out.
Sorry but you sound dumb. A grappler who doesn't know what they are doing would go in via bull rush for a power double, full force head down leaving themselves open to a guillotine, an experienced grappler would just shoot for an outside single or ankle pick and take someone in a boxing stance down easily... An experienced muy thai practitioner would throw a well time knee to counter. What punch do you throw to counter an ankle pick?
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Originally Posted By EdwardTheGreat⏩
Then why is it that men who have trained since childhood to duck punches (boxers) get caught if it "wouldn't be hard"?
They are trying to land too. A good mma fighter would not engage on the feet and go for the takedown. Street fights like mma is a combination of land, sea and air.
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Originally Posted By dingler⏩
What punch do you throw to counter an ankle pick?
When was the last time you ever saw anyone go for an ankle pick in a real fight?

Never.

As an earlier poster said, Khabib and Dillion Danis just had areal fighta few weeks ago. Both of them are grapplers and yet... they were throwing haymakers at each other with their eyes closed.

Not only that, most of Conor's team and all of khabib's team are grapplers... yet in a real fight situation, they thew punches.

Wonder why?
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Originally Posted By Goose102⏩
MikeLowreyyy is clearly one of those fans you see at the bar. Super drunk and screaming profanities at the TV screen, thinking he has boxing/MMA experience only because he has watched a few fights.

Also, OP is the worst troll to ever exist
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Originally Posted By dingler⏩
Sorry but you sound dumb. A grappler who doesn't know what they are doing would go in via bull rush for a power double, full force head down leaving themselves open to a guillotine, an experienced grappler would just shoot for an outside single or ankle pick and take someone in a boxing stance down easily... An experienced muy thai practitioner would throw a well time knee to counter. What punch do you throw to counter an ankle pick?
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
That top clip is exactly what would happen.

MMA pussy would charge in to grab. Right hook night night.
as soon as roy moved his head to the side mma guy would kick it straight off
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Originally Posted By NorthernLad93⏩
When was the last time you ever saw anyone go for an ankle pick in a real fight?

Never.

As an earlier poster said, Khabib and Dillion Danis just had areal fighta few weeks ago. Both of them are grapplers and yet... they were throwing haymakers at each other with their eyes closed.

Not only that, most of Conor's team and all of khabib's team are grapplers... yet in a real fight situation, they thew punches.

Wonder why?
I think it depends on where you are from. I have seen someone ankle pick a dude in a bar fight, because Im in America and was hanging out with a bunch of wrestlers, which you might be surprised how many there are depending on what state you are in. In Iowa or the midwest, theres undoubtedly more wrestling trained men than boxing trained men, so you see a whole bunch of takedowns and ground fighting before fights are broken up it is always on the ground.

The reason those guys were throwing haymakers in that riot was the fact that theres 1000s of people in a crowd and you only have the use of your arms and barely even that to throw punches, that was a scrum, everyone just flailing around.

In terms of actual training, id say it goes wrestling, boxing, then kicking arts in that order of the stuff people have actually trained and are able to use in a fight, so if you square off 1 on 1 without interference, its highly likely one guy grapples the other, or both grapple, everyone instinctually knows how to swing their arms so you see punches thrown most times too, because KOing someone is the quickest way to end a fight. But god help a boxer who takes a boxing stance against a trained kickboxer or muay thai guy who has space to kick... one or two leg kicks to untrained legs is a wrap, people who have never been kicked in the knees or shins have no idea how debilitating it is to soft untrained legs.
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Originally Posted By bchap05⏩
What about testicle biting. Do you have stats on the use of testicle bites during ground fighting?
I specifically only spoke about eye poking and gouging, so I don't know why you are asking me that.

I didn't comment about anything else you wrote.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
in a street fight?

I bet Jones would knock out any of them in a real fight
Why do you people even ask these questions? It's a game of chance. Like black jack. One wrong move and the fight is over. It's not about skill or talent. It's about luck.

And all fighting is neanderthal.

They should all be banned. Boxing and the MMA should be banned. We are carrying on the traditions of sports that were invented hundreds of years ago. We are smarter than that now. There's no reason to carry on the tradition of neanderthal low intelligence sports.

Plus boxing and MMA don't represent the worlds fittest athletes.

It's like college darts.

Out of the 12 people that showed up for college darts you're the heavyweight champion of them all.. Wow .. Who cares. It's really not that great of an accomplishment.
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Originally Posted By Matt413413⏩
Why do you people even ask these questions? It's a game of chance. Like black jack. One wrong move and the fight is over. It's not about skill or talent. It's about luck.

And all fighting is neanderthal.

They should all be banned. Boxing and the MMA should be banned. We are carrying on the traditions of sports that were invented hundreds of years ago. We are smarter than that now. There's no reason to carry on the tradition of neanderthal low intelligence sports.

Plus boxing and MMA don't represent the worlds fittest athletes.

It's like college darts.

Out of the 12 people that showed up for college darts you're the heavyweight champion of them all.. Wow .. Who cares. It's really not that great of an accomplishment.
says the guy who picks stuff up and puts it down for literally no reason. weight lifting is just as old genius. who represents the worlds fittest athletes then.what have you done that makes you so good?and why you here just to troll? does that make you special, thats been happening since the begining of time.
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Originally Posted By YouSmokeToMuch⏩
says the guy who picks stuff up and puts it down for literally no reason. weight lifting is just as old genius. who represents the worlds fittest athletes then.what have you done that makes you so good?and why you here just to troll? does that make you special, thats been happening since the begining of time.
You missed my point. What I meant by neanderthal is that boxing and MMA involves brain damage. That's what I meant. It's not cool giving another person brain damage. That's why they should be banned.
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Originally Posted By NorthernLad93⏩
But if this was an actualreal fightToney could be eye gouging and rabbit punching all he wants. Plus, in a street fight the ground is the last place you want to be anyway. Almost no street fights stay 1 vs 1, there's always people who jump in.
Good luck doing any of that sh!t form his back...lol
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Originally Posted By Matt413413⏩
You missed my point. What I meant by neanderthal is that boxing and MMA involves brain damage. That's what I meant. It's not cool giving another person brain damage. That's why they should be banned.
then so should flouride in the water and eating a lot. pesticides and other **** in food build up in your system and cause brain dmg.then almost everything should be bannned.smoking,football,alchohol, salmon,hockey,phones,gum, most toothpastes and soaps,racing, make up, deoderant, ect ect. according to you gov should limit our food intake or at least what we eat cus eating to much cause brain dmg if you eat more then u can filter out. bodybuilding should be banned by your criteria
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