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Originally Posted By DCutch
Literally every single modern day issue can be traced back to rap music. Literally every single one.
so high divorce rates in the white community was caused by rap?
The crack epidemic caused by rap?
The whore issue caused by rap?
Your fathers and granddads were CUCKS way before rap was invented and this led to the degradation of culture, *******
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Lol at anyone thinking banning rap would solve the problems facing the hood. There's plenty of socially conscious rap out there, some of it is very popular too. Hasn't changed schit. It's almost like there's a deeper problem.


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Originally Posted By irollurmom
Talking about shooting guns doesn't make you a gangster rapper anymore. The label started in the late 80s because Hip Hop used to be commercially-friendly crap that played on the radio constantly. Then NWA came out and started talking about guns and violence and the term "gangsta rap" was born.

Now there are different subgenres, trap being the most popular, that also talk about guns and shooting, but isn't considered gangsta rap. Trap is more heavily-influenced by drug and drug-dealing (no ban pls) culture more so than gang culture.



"By everyone else's standards" is not saying much. I'm also a very into metal and it's subgenres, so I can tell the difference between something like Melodic Death Metal and Deathcore. But to an outsider, all metal music sounds the same.

I don't listen to R&B as much, so all R&B songs sound the same to me, regardless of any sort of subgenre culture that may exist.
All of those rappers he mentioned literally have songs where they refer to themselves as "gangstas". Dude is retarded.
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Originally Posted By sooby
Just because something is mainstream doesn't mean that those particular songs represent the majority of hip-hop, it's just what is popular at the moment.
The song content which is mainstream now; murder, drugs, etc, has been popular since the mid 90s. That's why I say it's the majority, I'm not basing my opinion on 2018/19.

I'll be repeating myself if I reply to the rest of your post.

Maybe, you're interested in reading this...

Rap Music Lyrics and the Construction of Violent Identities Among Adolescents

The author of the paper, cites a number of relevant studies...

Here is an excerpt, which backs up my opinon that the majority of rap is violent...

"Violence in Rap

Rap music content however, contains a large amount of violence in comparison with other media outlets. In a study done by Charis E. Kubrin (2005), he found many rap lyrics actually provide justification for violence on the street and a direct link to willingness to use violence to protect or defend identity and reputation. About 65% of all rap songs in his sample referenced a violent theme and violent retaliation was found in 58% of the sample (Kubrin 2005).

Kubrin also found that listeners hold the street code as a normal order to life and that rap lyrics are actual “reproductions of the code that describe black urban street life”
(Kubrin 2005:375). He argues it is important to realize that rap is a characterization of urban life. It is clear that as conditions in the inner city have gotten worse in the last 10 years, the prevalence of street code has risen (Anderson 1994). Kubrin states that these conditions have “defined the context in which rap has emerged” (Kubrin 2005:365).

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https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/671...514.1548172224
And I'm not really trying to convince you either since you seem to be set in your opinion,
Are you willing to change your mind?

You seem to ignore anything academic that I present.

(Interesting thing about the above paper, the author states that studies that white and asian fans of 'urban music' are more likely to engage in violent criminal behaviour than black kdis who are fans of 'urban music'.

An excerpt:

Researchers found that overall; individuals more involved in property crime and violent crime are more likely to be “urban music enthusiasts”. Consequently, Black teenagers were more likely to be urban music enthusiasts but less likely to externalize the “street” behavior they hear in rap music lyrics compared to the White and Asian students. )

The paper suggests that white and Asians kids who are fans of 'urban music' try to 'be black'. And they associate blackness with violent criminality... So that's another reason why hip hop is bad... It's teaching people that 'to be black' (a 'real nikka') is to be a violent criminal.
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Originally Posted By T-mac
In this thread people argue that rap music will increase people's propensity to do gangsta things.

By that same logic if I start listening to R&B music, I'll turn into a chad that crushes sugar walls 24/7.
Please read the paper, in the post above.
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Originally Posted By HouseOfISRAEL
so high divorce rates in the white community was caused by rap?
The crack epidemic caused by rap?
The whore issue caused by rap?
Your fathers and granddads were CUCKS way before rap was invented and this led to the degradation of culture, *******
Yes.
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Originally Posted By HouseOfISRAEL
so high divorce rates in the white community was caused by rap?
The crack epidemic caused by rap?
The whore issue caused by rap?
Your fathers and granddads were CUCKS way before rap was invented and this led to the degradation of culture, *******
He was being sarcastic you brain-dead retard.
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Im almost 40 and figured out a long time ago only black people can fix their society’s problems. We can talk about drugs, rap music, white man and slavery til we are all dead and nothing will change. The way you create change is personal responsibility. Its the reason a white guy in the trailer park or a black guy in the ghetto stay poor and in and out of prison and an asian or indian comes here with $5 and makes it. Its also the reason i get laid easily and the next guy that grew up playing dungeons and dragons is a 30+ yo virgin
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage
He was being sarcastic you brain-dead retard.
he's been listening to too much rap music

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Originally Posted By W1LLW
lol @ the length of this thread
lol @ the people getting baited into it
lol @ giving a fuk about what strangers think about your music preferences

and fuking lmfao @ this MFer writing his dissertation on rap music in a misc argument.
Originally Posted By sooby
lol @ not claiming to giving a fuk yet posting in this threadand reading my response
you thought I read your dissertation?????




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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
The song content which is mainstream now; murder, drugs, etc, has been popular since the mid 90s. That's why I say it's the majority, I'm not basing my opinion on 2018/19.

I'll be repeating myself if I reply to the rest of your post.

Maybe, you're interested in reading this...

Rap Music Lyrics and the Construction of Violent Identities Among Adolescents

The author of the paper, cites a number of relevant studies...

Here is an excerpt, which backs up my opinon that the majority of rap is violent...

"Violence in Rap

Rap music content however, contains a large amount of violence in comparison with other media outlets. In a study done by Charis E. Kubrin (2005), he found many rap lyrics actually provide justification for violence on the street and a direct link to willingness to use violence to protect or defend identity and reputation. About 65% of all rap songs in his sample referenced a violent theme and violent retaliation was found in 58% of the sample (Kubrin 2005).

Kubrin also found that listeners hold the street code as a normal order to life and that rap lyrics are actual “reproductions of the code that describe black urban street life”
(Kubrin 2005:375). He argues it is important to realize that rap is a characterization of urban life. It is clear that as conditions in the inner city have gotten worse in the last 10 years, the prevalence of street code has risen (Anderson 1994). Kubrin states that these conditions have “defined the context in which rap has emerged” (Kubrin 2005:365).

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https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/671...514.1548172224
The paper seems more of an opinion piece which references other studies to try and substantiate it. However it says 65% of rap referenced a violent theme. Just because something references a violent theme doesn't mean the song inherently negative or "bad" and doesn't mean that it necessarily promotes and advocates for it. The same thing for violent retaliation, which could be justified depending on the context "i.e: I'd kill somebody if they hurt my child". It's not advocating violence per se, but describing what would happen under a set of circumstances. There could be one questionable violent lyric but that somehow means the song advocates it? And how was this sampled? Using Billboard 100? Hit songs of every year?

Are you willing to change your mind?

You seem to ignore anything academic that I present.
Are you?

I haven't ignored them, I've addressed them and they are not particularly relevant and you using that to try and substantiate your point was quite a bit of stretching. I've talked about this a few posts back in case you had missed this.
(Interesting thing about the above paper, the author states that studies that white and asian fans of 'urban music' are more likely to engage in violent criminal behaviour than black kdis who are fans of 'urban music'.
This still doesn't demonstrate that being a fan of "urban music" causes this. It's entirely plausible that violent people like "urban music", or are drawn to themes of violence in general, you can't just look at two things and say aha there's a correlation, one must cause or influence the other.

It's like comparing the # of murders to ice-cream sales. You see a trend in which as murders go up so does ice cream sales. The possibilities here is that Murder causes people to buy ice cream. Or violence causes/influences people to listen to urban music. Second possible reason is that eating ice-cream somehow makes somebody to out and murder somebody, maybe because of a brain freeze lol. Or that violent music causes people or influences people to go out and murder. Third possibility for both is that there is a confounding variable, that many murders are committed in the summer and people buy more ice cream in the summer. Or that poor, socially and economically disadvantaged youth tend to listen to urban music, or some other variable. You get the point.

BTW, how significant was the difference?
An excerpt:

Researchers found that overall; individuals more involved in property crime and violent crime are more likely to be “urban music enthusiasts”. Consequently, Black teenagers were more likely to be urban music enthusiasts but less likely to externalize the “street” behavior they hear in rap music lyrics compared to the White and Asian students. )

The paper suggests that white and Asians kids who are fans of 'urban music' try to 'be black'.And they associate blackness with violent criminality... So that's another reason why hip hop is bad... It's teaching people that 'to be black' (a 'real nikka') is to be a violent criminal.
No it doesn't, it's not about trying to be black but being drawn to violent content in general, and trying to fit in/conform with what is popular and trending and "cool". See above explanation. And again, this all leads back to my main point of the importance of having a father figure and good parents to teach a child what is right and what is wrong and to steer their child away from criminal activities. If you take away urban music there are still a million other factors that can lead a child without proper guidance down the wrong path. This is why the common denominator of a solution is to address and concentrate on the socioeconomic issues. A child in an environment of murders, homicide, drive-bys and terrible parents are going to be drawn to these things regardless. Violence has been a problem in the black community before rap, what indicators do you have that it would be curbed significantly if rap were to disappear or reinvent itself? As I've pointed out time and time again, I've clearly said that violent music "may" play a part but it is not nearly as significant as the factors I've mentioned. So I'm not sure what you are trying to argue with me here.
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Originally Posted By GuineaDago585
It wasn't always this way. Hip Hop was initially a movement meant to empower impoverished communities. Hip Hop was comprised of intelligent, creative, socially conscious young men who strived to express themselves in a new way and provide a voice to their voiceless communities. From its inception until the 90s, it was actually a positive influence on society. Then the gangs came in. Then the record executives came in. Then social media put the nail in the coffin. Now our impressionable young generation is subjected to something evil that destroys society.
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Originally Posted By AK5426
Idk most really mainstream music in every genre is pretty degenerate.
It's not an accident.

It's one of the many tools the globalists are using to destroy Western Societies.

Turn off the idiot box, turn off the crap on the radio......try reading some history, learn how the United States was in the 20's-60's.

What did the elites in the socialist / communist intelligencia do after they lost WWII?

How can you all not see what fools you're being played for? Do some REAL thinking on your own, stop letting the media TELL YOU what to think, and "interpret facts" for you.

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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry
All of those rappers he mentioned literally have songs where they refer to themselves as "gangstas". Dude is retarded.
says the cuck who only listens to eminem which somehow makes him a hip hop expert
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Originally Posted By sooby
The paper seems more of an opinion piece which references other studies to try and substantiate it.
Yeah, I said that it's a paper that refers to studies.
However it says 65% of rap referenced a violent theme. Just because something references a violent theme doesn't mean the song inherently negative or "bad" and doesn't mean that it necessarily promotes and advocates for it.
Yep, but then it also goes on to cite studies that say there is a positive correlation between violent songs and an increase in aggression, which is the key part in regards to our discussion.
Are you?
Yep.

I present opinion, a related paper, and studies.

You just cite your opinion.

That's how it goes.

I think I have far more backing up my perspective than you, that's why I don't find anything you write persuasive.
I haven't ignored them, I've addressed them and they are not particularly relevant and you using that to try and substantiate your point was quite a bit of stretching. I've talked about this a few posts back in case you had missed this.
You don't, you isolate things, and when I present the bigger picture, you ignore it.

In your last post you outright said you were going to ignore what I wrote, and you posted rap vids instead.
This still doesn't demonstrate that being a fan of "urban music" causes this. It's entirely plausible that violent people like "urban music", or are drawn to themes of violence in general, you can't just look at two things and say aha there's a correlation, one must cause or influence the other.
I agree.

Hopefully you don't view that paper in isolation though, and remember all the other studies, and points that I've made.

Like you even admitting that listening to aggressive music, increases your likelyhood to engage in violence.
No it doesn't, it's not about trying to be black but being drawn to violent content in general, and trying to fit in/conform with what is popular and trending and "cool".
We're trading opinions, so...

I've seen and heard enough black people talk about the stereotypes they've encountered by non whites being taken from rap music.

I've experienced it, and witnessed it myself.

I think the author is right, the kids a probably overcompensating. Trying to be 'real'.
Violence has been a problem in the black community before rap, what indicators do you have that it would be curbed significantly if rap were to disappear or reinvent itself?
I've cited studies regarding aggressive music and an increase in aggression and propensity for violence.

I've cited the study, and works or James Gilligan.

That's my case.

It's not quantifiable, but IMO everything points to it helping.
As I've pointed out time and time again, I've clearly said that violent music "may" play a part but it is not nearly as significant as the factors I've mentioned. So I'm not sure what you are trying to argue with me here.
I don't know what you are objecting to, if you think my point is valid.

(Regarding the questions you ask about the details of the studies cited in the paper. You have the names of the authors, and the subject matter. If you genuinely want to know the answer, you can google to find out yourself.)
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Originally Posted By W1LLW
lol @ the length of this thread
lol @ the people getting baited into it
lol @ giving a fuk about what strangers think about your music preferences

and fuking lmfao @ this MFer writing his dissertation on rap music in a misc argument.
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I don'tk know about good or bad but some people argue that R&B and soul music was invented for "white ears" so that black entertainers could have a chance to make a success in the music industry. Hip Hop and Rap apparently is the "real black music" and the true voice of black angst and frustration.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
Yeah, I said that it's a paper that refers to studies.



Yep, but then it also goes on to cite studies that say there is a positive correlation between violent songs and an increase in aggression, which is the key part in regards to our discussion.



Yep.

I present opinion, a related paper, and studies.

You just cite your opinion.

That's how it goes.

I think I have far more backing up my perspective than you, that's why I don't find anything you write persuasive.



You don't, you isolate things, and when I present the bigger picture, you ignore it.

In your last post you outright said you were going to ignore what I wrote, and you posted rap vids instead.



I agree.

Hopefully you don't view that paper in isolation though, and remember all the other studies, and points that I've made.

Like you even admitting that listening to aggressive music, increases your likelyhood to engage in violence.



We're trading opinions, so...

I've seen and heard enough black people talk about the stereotypes they've encountered by non whites being taken from rap music.

I've experienced it, and witnessed it myself.

I think the author is right, the kids a probably overcompensating. Trying to be 'real'.



I've cited studies regarding aggressive music and an increase in aggression and propensity for violence.

I've cited the study, and works or James Gilligan.

That's my case.

It's not quantifiable, but IMO everything points to it helping.



I don't know what you are objecting to, if you think my point is valid.

(Regarding the questions you ask about the details of the studies cited in the paper. You have the names of the authors, and the subject matter. If you genuinely want to know the answer, you can google to find out yourself.)
Rekt. nicely done

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Originally Posted By Godyssey
Zero of the people you mentioned are gangsta rappers except MAYBE 6ix9ine. And he’s just a massive, self admitted, troll. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Please shut the fukk up lol.
I have 'no idea what I'm talking about', and ' 6ix9ine is just a massive troll'.

A troll who pleaded guilty to 9 charges?


"Rapper Tekashi 6ix9ine, 22, pleads guilty to nine federal charges and claims he tried to kill rival and helped rob someone at gunpoint to gain respect in his violent gang"


Tekashi 6ix9ine pleaded guilty as part of a plea deal struck last week at a hearing
The 22-year-old faces life in prison in robbery and racketeering conspiracy
He revealed on January 23 that he joined Nine Trey Blood Gang in fall 2017
6ix9ine helped try to kill a rival gang member in March to 'increase his standing'
The rapper, whose legal name is Daniel Hernandez, admitted involvement in June's Chief Keef shooting
The Brooklyn-born artist also confessed to robbing a rival at gunpoint in April
He also admitted to selling a kilo of heroin in 2017
Minimum sentence for nine counts is 47 years but co-operation could reduce it
Hernandez was indicted November and is due to be sentenced January 24, 2020


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Originally Posted By irollurmom
says the cuck who only listens to eminem which somehow makes him a hip hop expert
I don't really listen to rap music anymore, son. If I do listen to it it is straight up ignorant gangster or trap music that rides in the whip. I have literally zero Eminem music, nor do I ever listen to it. Go to ANY prison in the United States and guess what is the number 1 most popular form of music by a long shot? Eat a dik, Canadian ******* and stop dik riding American culture, it isn't for you.
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