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Thread: Seeing a non-natty at the gym is eye opening

post 1579357701 05-03-2019, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
Lol, ok than, post a pic and vids of your lifts or you're just a terrible troll job.
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Originally Posted By tnthudson⏩
This is the absolute truth. When you hit your 40's (or even earlier) and feel like crap all day, low motivation, low sex drive, moody, etc. it's an awful, continuous feeling.
If more men understood what true TRT was, I'm convinced there would be alot less depression, soy-boyness and all around wasting away of the male population, True TRT only gets your levels back to the normal range, so that you don't feel horrible all the time. And there are some other things that can help with estrogen maintenance, etc. so that you honestly feel more like you did in your 20's, and not like you're 110 years old.
Well it all depends, I mean if you are 40' and TRT puts you back in the high end range of a guy who is 20' that is a bit of a stretch to say that they only put you at natural level. I mean, you are supposed to feel less energetic, less powerfull, etc. at 40 and above than you were in your 20'

Age is a natural process so you are not really supposed to feel like you were in your 20' when you are 40 or 50 or 60, etc.

That being said, if people can do it and if in bonus it is safe then they should go for it.

But regarding the gym, the 40' guy who uses TRT to get back to the test of a 20' guy will clearly have an advantage in comparison of a guy who don't take the TRT road. There is nothing wrong about that, it is just that the guy who is not on TRT will probably have to manage his recovery, his effort and so on more carefully as his recovery abilities will not be at the same level.
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Originally Posted By arkona4trek⏩
Well it all depends, I mean if you are 40' and TRT puts you back in the high end range of a guy who is 20' that is a bit of a stretch to say that they only put you at natural level. I mean, you are supposed to feel less energetic, less powerfull, etc. at 40 and above than you were in your 20'

Age is a natural process so you are not really supposed to feel like you were in your 20' when you are 40 or 50 or 60, etc.

That being said, if people can do it and if in bonus it is safe then they should go for it.

But regarding the gym, the 40' guy who uses TRT to get back to the test of a 20' guy will clearly have an advantage in comparison of a guy who don't take the TRT road. There is nothing wrong about that, it is just that the guy who is not on TRT will probably have to manage his recovery, his effort and so on more carefully as his recovery abilities will not be at the same level.
Most legitimate Dr's prescribing TRT wont give a 40yo man enough to achieve the test levels of a 20yo. But I know plenty of guys that visit these T clinics and those guys straight up don't give AF and will have you cruising on 500mg a week regardless of where you land. To each their own I guess , I much prefer to be under the care of a Dr who has my health in his best interest
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another tell tale sign too is their training, if they the type of dude to look big but you see them doing 1000 different machine isolation movements with dog crap form, then yeah ...
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Originally Posted By bluesasquatch⏩
he laid the groundwork earlier saying his deadlift was lacking.

I always prefer to troll by asking people if you're under 6'0" and under 200 lbs, are you really even a man? Especially with this armies fella, how many boys inmiddleschool are over 57"' and 160 lbs.
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Originally Posted By arkona4trek⏩
Well it all depends, I mean if you are 40' and TRT puts you back in the high end range of a guy who is 20' that is a bit of a stretch to say that they only put you at natural level. I mean, you are supposed to feel less energetic, less powerfull, etc. at 40 and above than you were in your 20'

Age is a natural process so you are not really supposed to feel like you were in your 20' when you are 40 or 50 or 60, etc.

That being said, if people can do it and if in bonus it is safe then they should go for it.

But regarding the gym, the 40' guy who uses TRT to get back to the test of a 20' guy will clearly have an advantage in comparison of a guy who don't take the TRT road. There is nothing wrong about that, it is just that the guy who is not on TRT will probably have to manage his recovery, his effort and so on more carefully as his recovery abilities will not be at the same level.
Originally Posted By 1slo5oh⏩
Most legitimate Dr's prescribing TRT wont give a 40yo man enough to achieve the test levels of a 20yo. But I know plenty of guys that visit these T clinics and those guys straight up don't give AF and will have you cruising on 500mg a week regardless of where you land. To each their own I guess , I much prefer to be under the care of a Dr who has my health in his best interest
Wow, I'm surprised clinics will do that. Yeah, I'm talking about a real male hormone Dr. and something like 100-ish mg/week (as an example, but that's pretty realistic), putting you in a range that the blood report and the Dr. find acceptable. Like around 500-600 ng/dl (the range being 264-916). I would think (?) that's not higher than an average 20's-something male.
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Originally Posted By armies⏩
Yes I'm as ripped, if not more ripped than Franco, if you don't believe me look at my stats, 5'7'' 160 lbs 320 lb bench press, 480 lb squat and 385 lb deadlift, at my age (42) and body weight you know I'm all muscle and no fat, oh, and all this being truly 100% natty (you mad?)
I don't think you can be 5'7 160lbs single digit body fat/stage ready naturally. Franco was juiced to the gills at 5'5, 180. He probably walked around at closer to 200lbs and that's only because in that era those guys stayed leaner year round then current gen guys.



I know a guy that competes in NPC. He's a legit natty. Off season he's 5'7 163-164lbs. Shredded/ show condition he's 142-143lbs. Works out/does cardio 6-7 days per week. Multiple sessions per day. Perfect diet, metabolism and genetics for lifting. Pretty much only holds down jobs that allow him to put 4+hrs per day into lifting/cardio/his physique. Pretty much lives like an IFBB pro/Mr Olympia aspiree except he's still natty.



There is no way you've got 20lbs of lean muscle on someone like that. If your genetics were that good. You'd either be a professional athlete pulling in multi millions per year, or a Mr Olympia contender making over six figures under contract. You'd have a social media presence (Whether IG or youtube) and would be backing up your posts with evidence.
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Originally Posted By KENKONG⏩
it's ok as long as no one discusses their own use or suggests that others
should use. as well as no specific product names are used....but that never lasts
long, I'm surprised it has lasted this long - good job misc!
feels bad that I got banned in another section for just saying "Coke"
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post 1579360841 05-03-2019, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted By 2020Wellness⏩
Ever had a steak?
Srs answer: No antibiotics, 94% lean ground beef...regularly...

Non srs answer: What kind of steak you talking about?
Fact: My first-generation uncle was a boxer who fought Sugar Ray Robinson! He also fought in the war, sacrificing the career he deeply loved, so people could have the right to freedom.

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Originally Posted By KingNothing95⏩


Like this, the guy on the left is obviously injecting bull semen.
Brad getting mogged by Dom once again.
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Originally Posted By armies⏩
I'm 5'7'' 160 lbs of ripped muscle, Franco Columbu was 5'5'' and 180 lbs at the 1975 Mr Olympia, so to say 160 lbs of pure muscle at 5'7'' is laughable as a natty is a joke, when Franco was looking like a monster at a very similar height and weight, and yes Franco was on dat dere bicycle
You are 2" taller 20lbs lighter and most likely not as lean. That is night and day. Don't ever try to compare yourself to (pound for pound) one of the strongest men who ever lived, world strongest man competitor, and a Mr. Olympia champion. You just make yourself look like a total fool.
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Originally Posted By thehardg00dbye⏩
Brad getting mogged by Dom once again.
Had to have a talk with my younger brother when he told me his goal was to look like Bradley. Lol.
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
Had to have a talk with my younger brother when he told me his goal was to look like Bradley. Lol.
It's all about looking like Dom. Nothing but bicep curls bra.

Brad doesnt even look like himself any more.
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Originally Posted By ImpressiveGainz⏩
Quote the part where I did that plz. I said specifically that A LOT of dudes use gear because they're lazy and I have no respect for them whatsoever. IDGAF if someone wants to ride a bike, that's their prerogative; there's no moral question here. I DO have a problem with laziness, though, and gear is a shortcut for many of these lazy people.
We do know that when ppl become severely injured enough, but still need to play (athletes), these "supps" enable them to fully recover, whereas otherwise, they may never have had that ability....So, I can empathize in this instance...
Fact: My first-generation uncle was a boxer who fought Sugar Ray Robinson! He also fought in the war, sacrificing the career he deeply loved, so people could have the right to freedom.

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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
feels bad that I got banned in another section for just saying "Coke"
Got some bad news bruh... you just said it again
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
Srs answer: No antibiotics, 94% lean ground beef...regularly...

Non srs answer: What kind of steak you talking about?
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
You're in the minority whether you believe that or not, i have had guys who have lifted for years talk about competing but are gonna stay natural... Not even joking i've heardtwodifferent individuals say they want to stay natty and make it to ifbb classic status, i still have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact there are at least 2 people out there that think that's possible. I've also been asked by one person if (and i swear on my fcking life) Ronnie Coleman was natural. Let that one sink in for a second
I wasn't claiming to be representative - rather responding to the claim that 'everyone's lying' in this hobby. Lots aren't lying. In my gym (I won't name the Federation) there are known users who simply accept that they will have to use to compete. But they were open to me about it. And I never had to ask. After about 6 months there the offers came, and the advice 'you'll soon reach your limit and you'll need to hop on', but I just shrugged them off. Others didn't. The majority of males in my gym either do or have used at some point - it is what it is. But no one is lying about it - that's the point I was trying to make.

At the end of the day I don't really care - do you see what I mean? I have seen your posts in the Aesthetics Crew thread, same with bb09 - I don't care if you two are 'natty' or not. I think it's cool that you both share photos of your progress.

And on the general point of these sort of fitness gurus trying to sell diets and plans and supps while usingand claiming not to be to make it seem like a realistic goal for a non-user to achieve: I'm against that. I don't care who uses but at least be honest about it when you're trying to sell chit to the masses.
Originally Posted By armies⏩
Some people are just angry because I'm exposing the truth
No - you're a transparent, race baiting troll. Another banned account back to troll for a bit. You'll be gone soon enough.
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
We do know that when ppl become severely injured enough, but still need to play (athletes), these "supps" enable them to fully recover, whereas otherwise, they may never have had that ability....So, I can empathize in this instance...
Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Also this. You cannot go by appearance only. I know plenty of idiots who abuse OJ and look like they barely lift.
And, without going into detail (which is probably common knowledge anyway), this is where genetics plays a big role...
Fact: My first-generation uncle was a boxer who fought Sugar Ray Robinson! He also fought in the war, sacrificing the career he deeply loved, so people could have the right to freedom.

Let's show RESPECT for the POLICE and ALL FIRST RESPONDERS by helping to keep THEM SAFE AND SOUND, and thereby able to PROTECT US!
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
Srs answer: No antibiotics, 94% lean ground beef...regularly...

Non srs answer: What kind of steak you talking about?
Steak and other meats contain creatine. If you don’t overdose it, it’s a great supplement. Also, it causes intra-muscular hydration, which is a good thing.
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
We do know that when ppl become severely injured enough, but still need to play (athletes), these "supps" enable them to fully recover, whereas otherwise, they may never have had that ability....So, I can empathize in this instance...
Originally Posted By guest89⏩
I don't think you can be 5'7 160lbs single digit body fat/stage ready naturally. Franco was juiced to the gills at 5'5, 180. He probably walked around at closer to 200lbs and that's only because in that era those guys stayed leaner year round then current gen guys.



I know a guy that competes in NPC. He's a legit natty. Off season he's 5'7 163-164lbs. Shredded/ show condition he's 142-143lbs. Works out/does cardio 6-7 days per week. Multiple sessions per day. Perfect diet, metabolism and genetics for lifting. Pretty much only holds down jobs that allow him to put 4+hrs per day into lifting/cardio/his physique. Pretty much lives like an IFBB pro/Mr Olympia aspiree except he's still natty.



There is no way you've got 20lbs of lean muscle on someone like that. If your genetics were that good. You'd either be a professional athlete pulling in multi millions per year, or a Mr Olympia contender making over six figures under contract. You'd have a social media presence (Whether IG or youtube) and would be backing up your posts with evidence.
Not every person with good natural genetics WANTS social media status or local/"amateur" stage recognition, for whatever reasons....Trust me...We all know a few...
Fact: My first-generation uncle was a boxer who fought Sugar Ray Robinson! He also fought in the war, sacrificing the career he deeply loved, so people could have the right to freedom.

Let's show RESPECT for the POLICE and ALL FIRST RESPONDERS by helping to keep THEM SAFE AND SOUND, and thereby able to PROTECT US!
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Originally Posted By 1slo5oh⏩
Got some bad news bruh... you just said it again
Originally Posted By KENKONG⏩
ummmm
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
We do know that when ppl become severely injured enough, but still need to play (athletes), these "supps" enable them to fully recover, whereas otherwise, they may never have had that ability....So, I can empathize in this instance...
Injuries are a completely different argument.
Best thread: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=168274783
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Originally Posted By 1slo5oh⏩
So I am legit impressed mods are even allowing such a thread to exist without it being shut down and people banned at the moment. I can only assume since its mostly a civil discussion is why its still open... honestly $hitty trolls like you will end up fkng a good thing up... but carry on.
You are NOT natty...bro...let that sink in...lmfao
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
What?? Dude if your gonna troll at least figure out a proper bench to squat to deadlift ratio.
The proper ratio is bench twice your body weight and squat/deadlift 3 times your bodyweight. Today I got stronger, 395 lb deadlift
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Originally Posted By armies⏩
The proper ratio is bench twice your body weight and squat/deadlift 3 times your bodyweight. Today I got stronger, 395 lb deadlift
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
Lol that has no relevance whatsoever...I don’t claim natty you soy-packed, potato.
Wow, you got mad...relax dude
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
Poverty as fuk
Give me some time, relax
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Originally Posted By armies⏩
Wow, you got mad...relax dude
Not at all. It’s very funny to watch people attempt to lie online...entertaining af
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Originally Posted By umadbroski⏩
bigger than ryback and serge nubret.
Ty bro, idk about that but I take the compliment
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