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post 1579590501 05-07-2019, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted By Kev1972
Write us an ending man!

Your writing is way better than anything coming out of HBO!
Thanks mate, and I was tired and just taking the piss with their apparent lack of fukks to give anymore. These twats have had - and this cannot be pointed out enough times -two yearsto wrap this up, and somehow they're driving everything into the ground to such a degree one would think that they secretly resent George R.R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire, fantasy, the fans, andeverythingassociated with Game of Thrones. .

After the way these last few episodes have happened, I'm starting to suspect that they rushed drafting up a conclusion that they could crank out in as short a time as humanly possible, then began writing up their new HBO show Confederacy, announced it during "post production for special effects," fully expecting everyone wouldlost their sh*tabout the "excitingnewseries from the creators of Game of Thrones!", received the rightfully opposite reception to the news, and then began sending their resumes out to Disney since their writing quality hit Disney tier lows.

As far as I'm concerned, the Night King walking to Bran faded to black like the Sopranos because afterwards has been nothing but appallingly awful. I cannot think of a single fan theory or prediction that I've read which would have been worse than what's happening to the series at this point.
Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress
This episode single-handedly makes me change my mind about Dany.

They treat her like chopped liver, she loses ANOTHER dragon because scorpions are now OP and don't need to hit a dragon in the eye (and are heat seeking OP naval battle weapons), best friend gets whacked, and everyone is now stupid.

I changed my mind. I want Dany on that throne, and I want her to literally light every single mother fukker on fire. Finish what the Night King started. Dracaris.

Dracaris on fukking everybody.
Right?

I can't say that I'm shocked that they're heading for the Mad Queen direction with Daenerys because for several seasons now, her behavior was either an absence of decent direction and writing, or indicative of her truly being loony tunes crazy. Hell, I've said it before: change the triumphant anthems played alongside many of her actions with dark, Cersei style themes and it would completely flip the perception of her.

However, like numerous aspects of the show towards later seasons I could also accept chalking all of that towards the schizoid writing that favors character actions following the plot they had in store rather than working the other way around. The last genuinely awesome moment with her was when she freed the Unsullied and turned them against their former masters in a truly momentous coup, whereas latter seasons screamed out their transition to conflating "strong women" with "Badass."

What I find most disappointing with yet another character assassination in the form of Daenerys, the irate Queen, is how they are intentionally catapulting her sanity off the edge of reason for the sake of drama as opposed to anything resembling natural regression that we could buy for even a second.

This is the result of showrunners who don't value, let alone understandthemes, as the recent episodes were displaying a substantial amount ofgrowthfor Daenerys. She had the Iron Throne firmly in her grasp after arriving in Westeros, but she put aside her life's ambition when Jon requested aid in the fight for all of the living, a decision she madebeforehe pledged his loyalty towards her and her cause.

The Night King did not sit on a throne she desired, but the army of the dead posed a universal threat that she was wise enough to not ignore like Cersei, and the decision to take this courseshouldhave been the moment of revelation for her character that ruling was not the be all, end all matter. Rather than be humbled and understand that in order to break the "wheel," Daenerys would see how the Iron Throne was the still the center, and absolute power was not hers or anyone else's to take.

Dany was always inexperienced, naive, and emotionally charged, but instead of allowing her character to mature, they doubled down by making her crazy ex-girlfriend crazy and so driven by a jealous rage to snatch the throne that she lost yet another "child," arguably her only true friend, and what we can only assume was the remaining bit of sanity preventing her from proving Cersei right in an attack on King's Landing. For her constant talk of breaking the wheel and ushering in change, her direction is now headed towards her becoming precisely what she has spoken against because the writers think making her behave like a petulant teenager is somehowmoreenthralling than characters learning and growing to overcome challenges.
Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress
I'm disappointed in the Jon/Aegon reveal. I thought "Man, how in the world will his sisters react to this? ". I expected some awesome dialogue and emotion and chit, but then Jon just leaves it to Bran and the scene ends.

That was not very gangsta.
One of the most vital moments of character development and a true test of family amongst the Starks, once again relegated to a cut away, off screen conversation.

For Jon's entire life, he has felt like the black sheep of his family, shunned and disdained by Catelyn, and yet he was always in his heart Ned's son.

After Raisin Bran and Sam reveal Jon's Targaryen ancestry, he suddenly forgets that LyannaStarkis still his mother, but more importantly, Ned took him as his son, raising and loving him as such regardless of his true parentage. Robb, Arya, Sansa, Bran, and Rickon allloved himas a brother, and Jon even reconciled with Theon to tell him he was both a Greyjoyanda Stark, in spite of having no true blood connection. How is Jon struggling with so muchlessof a problem than Theon, despite having never even betrayed his family or have any cause to doubt them?

And let's not even get into how Jon seemingly wants to shirk his entire life and connection to what is still half of him in favor of accepting that he is a Targaryenafterboning down with his Targ aunt; Bran and Sam told you were aTargaryen, and only half, Jon, not a bloody Lannister.

As with Daenerys, the writers threw away his entire arc in exchange for a last couple episodes of soap opera bullsh*t.
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What is with captain phasma and arya suddenly getting dick now? The fuglys are smashing this season.


What was up with that exchange between sansa and the hound? Does sansa want his dick too?
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Originally Posted By theACEofSPADES
I'm thinking about reading the books, how good are they? I've never been into much fiction or fantasy but I like the show and want to give it a chance. Does it read well? Is the text confusing at all?
They're an incredibly easy read, albeit very long. However they're significantly better than the show.
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Originally Posted By waytoodeep03
What was up with that exchange between sansa and the hound? Does sansa want his dick too?
He's 7 feet tall. All women are curious.
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post 1579592001 05-07-2019, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted By waytoodeep03
What was up with that exchange between sansa and the hound? Does sansa want his dick too?
The hound was used as a foil there. We are meant to see the fundamental change in Sansa (the 'you've changed') and her acceptance of it. All so when they show us later that (my personal theory) Sansa leaked Dany's travel plans to Cersei somehow to try to get her killed, we all go 'oh yeah, they told us she changed'.

There's no other real explanation as to why Euron teleported/hid so well. This would explain Sansa's smile to Jaime when Brienne tells him about the dead dragon and decimated Dany army: she's smiling even though she wants Cersei dead because she wants Dany's hooks in Jon gone, particularly after the reveal.
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Jon isn't going to the throne he is headed north after the war.

There is a prop bet on bovada about it.
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The most jarring thing about season 7-8 is sansa

This bi*ch is retarded, no matter how much chit she went through you’re not going to convince me she’s smarter than littlefinger or anyone else.
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Originally Posted By Vrykul
The most jarring thing about season 7-8 is sansa

This bi*ch is retarded, no matter how much chit she went through you’re not going to convince me she’s smarter than littlefinger or anyone else.
sansa is the smardest person i even met

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Originally Posted By iabs
Daenarys will kill Varys when she ultimately finds out he's conspiring against her in favor of Jon Snow. Tyrion will beg her not to do it and will make up a thousand excuses for Varys, but she will burn him anyway. I'm calling it right now. This will be the catalyst for Tyrion to lose faith in Danny.
If so I could see it falling apart for Dany which is mildly annoying. Cersei hasn't taken an L since the Loot Train battle.

I know she's ruthless but Dany literally had an unbeatable army at the end of season 6, and now she could still lose.
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The show got too big for it's own good. The actors started demanding salaries that were out of budget and getting multi million dollar movie deals on the side at the same time, so they wanna jump ship to avoid being remembered for their GOT characters forever (besides the obvious monetary gain of movie deals). That, coupled with Dumb and Dumber running out of ideas and GRRM telling them to fuk off I'm "gonna finish Winds of Winter" resulted in the cluster fuk we got in season 7 and this utter piece of shiit we got now in season 8.
Ya true about the typecasting and contracts. That's such a shame though.
Originally Posted By dj006xx
yikes .... maximum cringe
You want cringe, watch this one at 1:48

Chicago hipster bar tho, what do you expect, lmao

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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport
If so I could see it falling apart for Dany which is mildly annoying. Cersei hasn't taken an L since the Loot Train battle.

I know she's ruthless but Dany literally had an unbeatable army at the end of season 6, and now she could still lose.



Ya true about the typecasting and contracts. That's such a shame though.



You want cringe, watch this one at 1:48

Chicago hipster bar tho, what do you expect, lmao

i lol'd when the ginger did the super saiyan soy mouth at 10:07
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Originally Posted By KingKringe
i lol'd when the ginger did the super saiyan soy mouth at 10:07
They call him Tormund Jr. srs, lol.

Btw r/freefolk is pretty hilarious right now:





And how badass would this have been

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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport
You want cringe, watch this one at 1:48

Chicago hipster bar tho, what do you expect, lmao

They enjoying their show.. Can't hate on that

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Originally Posted By waytoodeep03
Its too late for that. They have saved by the bell syndrome.

Everyone remembers mark Paul gosselar as zack morris and this hurt his role to play in other movies and shows to this day.

So kit Harrington will always be jon snow. Dany was in solo and she was still dany to me. Man she is sexy. I would marry her.
Nah there's no real credence to that. It's more that some people are movie stars and some are TV show actors. Mark Paul Gosselar was in plenty of tv shows. He's just not a movie star. Think about all the guys they try to force feed us as movie stars (Sam Worthington, the guy from die hard russia, Taylor Kitsch). There's a certain intangible quality to being able to carry a movie and some people just don't have it.
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08
They enjoying their show.. Can't hate on that

They're hammed up, and when you're hammed up sometimes you act silly
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport
They're hammed up, and when you're hammed up sometimes you act silly
Yeah, but whats wrong with acting silly? Good on them for being able to let loose and not be serious all the time.
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Originally Posted By GotNext
Yeah, but whats wrong with acting silly? Good on them for being able to let loose and not be serious all the time.
I got $10 that says they're like that all the time. lol
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport
You want cringe, watch this one at 1:48

Chicago hipster bar tho, what do you expect, lmao

This is who the showrunners are writing the story for now, not the long-time fans. It's obvious that they don't care about the previous 7 years, character arcs, they don't understand the characters or what the series has been about from the start. They are simply water-cooler writers aiming for shock value (not much of that anymore other than how shockingly ****ty the story has gotten).

Any number of long-time fans could have come up with a better outline and dialogue to close out the season. Most would have out-right said, that you can't wrap this up with 1 6 episode season and do the series justice.
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Originally Posted By waytoodeep03
Dany was in solo and she was still dany to me. Man she is sexy. I would marry her.
i would love to get a rimjob from her
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Originally Posted By Mumra
I got $10 that says they're like that all the time. lol
Again: whats wrong with that?

I can't be like that myself, but I am glad for them if they enjoy life in this way.
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Originally Posted By XterraRob
I've never seen the phrase "plot armor" used so extensively as I have with GoT Fans.
And there is a reason for that. Did you see this phrase being thrown out in previous seasons?
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Originally Posted By GotNext
Again: whats wrong with that?

I can't be like that myself, but I am glad for them if they enjoy life in this way.
I didn't say there was.
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Originally Posted By I3igAl
-behaving that way is very unlike him, he has always been laid back even, when faced with possible death
-he arguably abandoned his principles, when he decided to save Jamie last season
-neither Jamie nor Tyrion have the power to actually grant him his request
-if he actually believed they had that power, he would be pretty dumb to extort them, since they would just have him hunted down
-how did he get into Winterfell without anyone noticing?
-how did he even survive his journey to Winterfell on his own with everything frozen and the countryside depopulated by the Night King?
-Now after having traveled through half a continent of ice and snow he just leaves and walks into some unhospitable wilderness to wait?

They should have just killed him off last season, if they didn't have any proper storyline for him.
so many comments about "how did bronn get to winterfell."

they weren't in winterfell



they were in an inn outside of winterfell. you can see winterfell on the outskirts to the right. am i the only one paying attention

and bronn has the survival skills. he's been past the wall already. he's a mercenary/sellsword. he gets paid to find people and kill them. and he's clearly a professional killer. as proven many times. doesn't flinch at fighting the hound or going against the kingsguard.

even if they were in winterfell though, winterfell's gates are open. and they don't know him. they could think he's a northener. or a villager.
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE
they were in an inn outside of winterfell. you can see winterfell on the outskirts to the right. am i the only one paying attention

and bronn has the survival skills. he's been past the wall already. he's a mercenary/sellsword. he gets paid to find people and kill them. and he's clearly a professional. as proven many times.
At this point, people want to nitpick and hate because the series isn't going how they predicted. This show NEVER had 100% perfect storytelling, idc what all these people continue to keep parroting.
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08
At this point, people want to nitpick and hate because the series isn't going how they predicted. This show NEVER had 100% perfect storytelling, idc what all these people continue to keep parroting.
it's like stuff that actually makes sense too lol

people are questioning bronn's ability to find people and kill them wot

the man is one of the most capable and realistic characters in that world. fought alone in the battle of the blackwater, and played the key part of success in that battle, survived and saved jaime in the dothraki attack, also hitting a dragon with the trebutchet, survived the ambush battle in the mountains of the vale, been beyond the wall for "work" and survived

i have no doubt that if he fought in winterfell in the long night he would definitely realistically survive lol he's a beast

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I know Tyrion was in diplomatic mode, but I would have lol'd if he just casually throws in a "at least think of Jaime's child you are bearing!" while Euron sheds a tear.
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No way in hell Cersei is having that baby.

Any theories about how it will die before birth?
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE
it's like stuff that actually makes sense too lol

people are questioning bronn's ability to find people and kill them wot

the man is one of the most capable and realistic characters in that world
Not his ability to track them down, rather his ability to rapid-reload a crossbow by hand.

Main issue with the scene was how Tyrion and Jaime didn't call for guards after Bronn left the room and was alone against a whole castle full with ppl.
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Originally Posted By Maylie
No way in hell Cersei is having that baby.

Any theories about how it will die before birth?
Either stabbed like Robb Stark's pregnant wife in the Red Wedding ... or given she has a Maester as her Hand, maybe she has some sort of poison vial on herself to not give Dany/Jon/Jaime the gratification of killing her.
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