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post 1579611121 05-07-2019, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble
Err, so if she was lying, what about the scene below, when she tells Robert "when we lost our first boy?"



It was most likely an oversight from the show writers. Or not, who knows.

Thing is she definitely cares about her kid.
Sounds like botched up script, because both in the books and later in the show it's said that she only had those 3 kids.

Plus - guess they super-botched it - she says "our boy", ... only solution is she aborted and they found out the gender ... yuck

Maybe that scene is a good example that they also fuked up a lot in the prior seasons, but we had too little reference to know/care at that point.

I bet if people would re-watch the other seasons with the same criticism they'd find a lot of issues that they didn't notice back then.
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post 1579611141 05-07-2019, 11:34 AM
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I went back and watched the last ep again. I hated how they robbed us with the cut away when Jon/Bran were going to reveal his back history to Arya/Sansa. Not enough time? Lack of writing? Fuk off mates.

It's pretty funny how many people are finally jumping ship now after all the defending they have done in this thread not 2 eps ago. I freaking knew it!. There was no way in hell they would have enough time to explain everything but I figured they would've at least diverged into the more interesting/unknown aspects of the story.

There's 2 freaking episodes left. We all know the next episode will be dedicated to taking kings landing back, killing Cersai off, Hound vs Mountain battle and killing a few more cast members off. Not even a plot twist can save GoT.

Something tells me they didn't want to go into detail about the Lord of the light, NK, etc because they are saving all that **** for the new GoT series.
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post 1579611231 05-07-2019, 11:34 AM
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I am honestly so done with scrutinizing the details of these episodes, that went out the window with the endless glaring issues in The Long Night. It's time to sit back and just enjoy the ride for what it is: a hugely-rushed story that will never live up to the expectations set in Seasons 1-5ish

Rhaegal's death hit me fukn hard, it legitimately made me angry af. I don't feel inclined to ask why this or why that, it brought out emotion and that's something I found totally absent in The Long Night. At this point, I'm just glad they're doing something that elicits an emotional response at all. If they kill Euron in some satisfying way next episode, I'm not questioning the strategy or logic behind it. I'll fukn enjoy that Euron dies and that's that. If the "good guys" lose even more, I'll be equally pissed @ the "bad guys"


I was already lamenting returning to the political squabbles after the NK's underwhelming climax, so I don't feel there's much to lose in just enjoying what remains
post 1579611251 05-07-2019, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted By I3igAl
Every military leader should have scouts and know about an army of that size moving.
The question should be: Why Dany does not know Euron is on the way?
Fine...but one side (Dany's) has been dumbed down to even the odds. Tyrion...master strategist of the blackwater...doesn't know what to do these days.

While a drunk queen and johnny depp are notching Ws left and right. It becomes comical at some point and it has.
post 1579611401 05-07-2019, 11:38 AM
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post 1579611431 05-07-2019, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted By JUSA
A lot of the show is still top-notch TV, production values and such, between that and the previous seasons of more thoughtful and less rushed story-telling, I think that is why there is a contingent of people who are reacting so aggressively to the complaints.

I'm ready to see it wrap and I've certainly stuck with lesser shows (Sons of Anarchy) just to see them end, but as much as I was willing to push through Ep3, the utter nonsense about Euron in Ep4 really bothers me. Just so ridiculous and nonsensical, the more you think about it the more absurd it gets. A fleet of ships ambushing a pair of dragons flying in the air, catching utterly off guard, firing from the rocky seas to a moving target with deadly repeated accuracy, it just really fell flat.

What's more, the second the plot wants the remaining dragon to be useful, all that broken internal logic they established will simply be ignored, because we will see Drogon burn Euron alive and as satisfying as that should be, I'm concerned I'm just out of fuks to give.
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post 1579611591 05-07-2019, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
From a youtube comment.

"You have to be smarter than father. You need to be smarter than Robb. I love them I miss them, but they made stupid mistakes and they both lost their heads for it."
-Sansa to Jon

Makes me think that Sansa will be one of the most substantial players in GOT.


Arguably... Sansa considers about other's motivations, none of the Stark men do, they only think about what is the right thing to do.
The show is telegraphing it big time, but it still doesn't fit.

Sansa is the worst forced character development in the series, one minute she is getting rag dolled by Ramsay, which she agrees to marry in the first place, the next she is "outsmarting" Littlefinger, then **** talking the most powerful leader the world has seen since Argon, who is actually saving her. But put some leather on the inside of those breastplates, Lord Royce, because not like the Vale fights in snow and ice the entire time.

It would have been better if they bypassed her character, give her Winterfall and keep her out of the main events, like Robin and Dorne

No way to cut it, still can't get over the fact they put the long night before Kingslanding.
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lololol add it to the pile.
post 1579611641 05-07-2019, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08
I can always count on you JUSA for a neg you snowflake.. living rent free in your head.

Originally Posted By Jaydawg08
Left something for ya *******

I guess GriecoR is in your head rent free then.
post 1579611661 05-07-2019, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08
I can always count on you JUSA for a neg you snowflake.. living rent free in your head.

Damn son that neg must have hurt.
post 1579611891 05-07-2019, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted By GotNext
Please stop repeating that non-sense - it was taken out of context.

I am fine with pointing out the countless stupid mistakes they did, but pulling a quote out of context just to pile on is silly because you have so much legit crap to chose from, why go there!?
How is it out of context?
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08
I can always count on you JUSA for a neg you snowflake.. living rent free in your head.
And yet, here you are, making a post to publicly moan about a red block I gifted you with.
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post 1579611931 05-07-2019, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08
I normally like your posts.. but this was a bad take right here
You may not like it... but it’s true.

This show has gone to dogchit. If you deny that then you’re in the minority.
post 1579612101 05-07-2019, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124
I guess GriecoR is in your head rent free then.
Stay out of this boyo

Originally Posted By JUSA
And yet, here you are, making a post to publicly moan about a red block I gifted you with.
Surprised you didn't call me a racist in the CP comment. Was genuinely confused why that wasn't there
post 1579612291 05-07-2019, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted By Burgerbuger
I went back and watched the last ep again. I hated how they robbed us with the cut away when Jon/Bran were going to reveal his back history to Arya/Sansa. Not enough time? Lack of writing? Fuk off mates.

It's pretty funny how many people are finally jumping ship now after all the defending they have done in this thread not 2 eps ago. I freaking knew it!. There was no way in hell they would have enough time to explain everything but I figured they would've at least diverged into the more interesting/unknown aspects of the story.
You fkn wut m8?

The viewers have seen that story 4 times now. When Sam read the book, when professor BranX showed us the whole scene telepathically, when they revealed it to Jon, and when Jon revealed it to Daenerys.

You are upset you didn't get to see it for a fifth time?

Are you a potato?
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post 1579612461 05-07-2019, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted By nvrstopworking
Theres’s no fukking chance of that happening.... sorry to tell you. This show (post book seasons) will be mentioned in the same breath with TWD... just a spectacle and something that people got addicted to early on and committed to watching no matter what.

Go watch Billions... or Vikings... or OA... or Travelers... or Spartacus... Counterpart... Breaking Bad... The Wire...

Every one of them has been MILES better than the last 3 seasons of GoT.

These ****s should have never taken on the project if they weren’t up to the task of doing the ending justice. And GRRM should have never let them do it without making sure that they wouldn’t butcher it (guess he just wanted dem dollahs tho so I can’t blame him).
I watch Billlions and have seen The Wire, Breaking bad, and Spartacus. Spartacus' writing was garbage but the fight scenes and nudity made it very entertaining. The Wire is the closest thing to real life drama I've seen on TV.

I think you're being overly critical of the drop off. I read the books between S1 and S2 for GOT and it was a great series. I have always kept my expectations for TV or film different than literature bc the translation is near impossible. Meeting everyone's expectations for a book to TV series is not doable no matter who is the director or author. D&D attempted the first 8 season long high fantasy political drama I've ever heard of and have done a very good job overall imo. I think the last 2 seasons are well above average TV and the first 6 are amazing. In my estimation it is not possible to finish this series without a full 10 to 11 year run without any budget limitations. That's not how the real world works. While HBO wanted 10 years but they weren't giving out a blank check.

Has anyone with major complaints ever bothered to complain to GRRM as it's his fault the showrunners aren't meeting his level of writing? Someone also needs to explain how the genius creator himself can't find the time or energy to finish a 7 book series he started outlining in 1991.
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post 1579612491 05-07-2019, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted By GotNext
Please stop repeating that non-sense - it was taken out of context.

I am fine with pointing out the countless stupid mistakes they did, but pulling a quote out of context just to pile on is silly because you have so much legit crap to chose from, why go there!?
How was it taken out of context?

I could understand if he said "Dany didn't expect ballistae mounted on ships and Euron firing at her" (plausible, why would she) instead, but he didn't.

Euron already fukd them over several times (Yara, Casterly Rock), and she also knew that he brought the Golden Company, he was a major pain in the ass.
post 1579612791 05-07-2019, 11:56 AM
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post 1579613361 05-07-2019, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
From a youtube comment.

"You have to be smarter than father. You need to be smarter than Robb. I love them I miss them, but they made stupid mistakes and they both lost their heads for it."
-Sansa to Jon

Makes me think that Sansa will be one of the most substantial players in GOT.


Arguably... Sansa considers about other's motivations, none of the Stark men do, they only think about what is the right thing to do.
I really think they’re setting Sansa up to win the throne at the end. She’s the only character who didn’t lose their common sense this season.

There’s that scene in the war room where she’s the only one saying they should heal and regroup before heading south. And then Dany asks Sansa how long they should wait. Sansa says she’ll have to ask the officers what they think. That is such a stark contrast to how both Dany and Jon operate. Sitting back and asking those who know more and not blindly rushing into things. And I really think they added that little line of dialogue on purpose to illustrate how she’s a different type of ruler.
post 1579613481 05-07-2019, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble
We - ppl who are criticizing the writing - have acknowledged and accepted the budget restraints (which have been there since day 1) and overwhelming amount of plot threads and that it would be almost impossible to tie all of them in a satisfying way. This has been repeated tons of times. Literally almost nobody complained that events are being rushed.

The issue is that characters are acting out of character, many of them are suddenly retarded and the writing is just atrocious at times. Just take the re-edit of Euron killing Rhaegal from last episode: just by rearranging the scenes, it all made kind of sense, and it wasn't some cheap shock effect where apparently Dany and the two dragons fail to spot Euron's fleet, while they manage to 3 shot Rhaeagal. Then fail to hit Dany and Drogon while flying towards them.

Is GoT still a ton better than most tv shows? Sure is.

It's just hard to accept the glaring differences in quality, and the growing number of cheap "you didn't see that coming, did you lmao" moments.

It's also hard to ignore comments made by D&D, telling that Arya had to kill the NK because nobody expected it and that Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet.

Oh and also Dorne.
I get the frustration in the drop in quality. My frustration with the complaints come from both here and IRL or other mediums where ppl are still saying its rushed and not as good or why things don't make sense. I get and acknowledge all of those points I just choose to appreciate what I am getting as I can only put two other shows in GOT's class (Wire and Breaking Bad).

Dany should have been able to see the trap from the air but it did make sense for Euron to be there since Cersei and company know they landed there last year and made it the Westeros base.

D&D didn't balance the power scales swimmingly but they had to be balanced somehow. Sopranos used to catch hell when it aired for stupid Tony dream sequences and unnecessary 1 legged Russian trist. The Wire caught hell for S2 about the docks and S5 reporter stuff. Each show had reasoms for their takes. While GOT may not have the same intrinsic show reasons as others, 95% of the commentary now is just a b!tch fest.
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post 1579613571 05-07-2019, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08
Surprised you didn't call me a racist in the CP comment. Was genuinely confused why that wasn't there
Well that last neg had nothing to do with race baiting, it was just that the gifs shoved that particular post of yours below the IQ-threshold, basically you forced my hand.

Had you just posted sans the gif, you'd been perfectly fine: just simple-minded and dull, but not so much that I would have been obligated to red you over it.

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post 1579613591 05-07-2019, 12:06 PM
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If Jon does end up killing Dany and taking the throne, it’s going to be hilarious seeing all of the articles pop up about how sexist the show is for making every woman who rules alone evil/insane.
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Originally Posted By JUSA
Well that last neg had nothing to do with race baiting, it was just that the gifs shoved that particular post of yours below the IQ-threshold, basically you forced my hand.

Had you just posted sans the gif, you'd been perfectly fine: just simple-minded and dull, but not so much that I would have been obligated to red you over it.
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They could have used 2 full seasons to wrap this show up, it does feel very rushed
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Adding to the list of storylines they just hope we forget about... Didn't Cersei and Euron use borrowed money from the Iron Bank of Braavos to hire the golden company? They are no joke, have an army of their own, and will always get what's owed to them.


Except when the writers just ignore it ofc.
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post 1579614091 05-07-2019, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted By ironicinori
Adding to the list of storylines they just hope we forget about... Didn't Cersei and Euron use borrowed money from the Iron Bank of Braavos to hire the golden company? They are no joke, have an army of their own, and will always get what's owed to them.


Except when the writers just ignore it ofc.
The Iron Bank of Braavos just kind of forgot about the loan.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble
How was it taken out of context?

I could understand if he said "Dany didn't expect ballistae mounted on ships and Euron firing at her" (plausible, why would she) instead, but he didn't.

Euron already fukd them over several times (Yara, Casterly Rock), and she also knew that he brought the Golden Company, he was a major pain in the ass.
Because the way he said it (go read the full transcript or watch the full video) was: while Dany was solely focused on the Night King and chit up north, Cersei and Eugon didn't fiddle with their thumbs and instead put a plan in motion. He said "forgot about them" in a sense of "took her eyes off them".
Originally Posted By ironicinori
Adding to the list of storylines they just hope we forget about... Didn't Cersei and Euron use borrowed money from the Iron Bank of Braavos to hire the golden company? They are no joke, have an army of their own, and will always get what's owed to them.

Except when the writers just ignore it ofc.
Cersei paid the Iron Bank back in full already once, which is why she is in good standing with them, why wouldn't she be? She is on the Iron Throne and she uses the money she borrowed to solidify her rule with the Golden Company, not building a large pool ...

At this point you guys just love to complain about anything.
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Originally Posted By JUSA
Well that last neg had nothing to do with race baiting, it was just that the gifs shoved that particular post of yours below the IQ-threshold, basically you forced my hand.

Had you just posted sans the gif, you'd been perfectly fine: just simple-minded and dull, but not so much that I would have been obligated to red you over it.

...

^ Spartacus had bad writing? Blasphemy (not you dawg, just don't feel like quoting the guy who said it)


















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Originally Posted By NukYavlen
The Iron Bank of Braavos just kind of forgot about the loan.
I thought they had wagonloads of gold from taking out the Tyrells. Which makes you wonder why the Tyrells didn't hire the Golden Company.
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