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post 1579807931 05-10-2019, 12:06 AM
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Yeah the NK actor guy is being a total ******* on twitter now. The first tweet was cheeky... now he needs to stfu
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post 1579808041 05-10-2019, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV
Well its kinda valid, Lena Heady and Sean Bean carried the show early on. Sean of LOTR fame and just as resonant, everyones favorite movie around the time 300. There was massive carry over from the character she played in 300 and Cercei in magic and spirit of the character and for the shows vibe.

After they killed off Sean she was like the main headliner who carried the show and was the main face of the show and the Lannisters which are a huge piece of what made it all so popular and effective.

It would have been crazy to think back in the early seasons the Cersei Lannister is "lower" than some random ice zombies they sometimes showed once a year.

but now in season 8 you want to act like the NK is more important because of story progression, but its kinda silly to say that.

In a way Cersei IS game of thrones in a nutshell. her baddassery kinda faded in recent seasons and she isn't as hot anymore but in her prime she was the ultimate representation of the show.

She had some of the most iconic lines in pop culture associated with her:
power is power
Lannisters send their regards
shameee
tell Cersei it was me

in totality it makes sense though, just its not as apparent because of where the progression is now.
Are you on crack?
Cercei carried the show? Shes a decent actor but who the fuk was Tywin, Varys, Tyrion, Littlefinger. Those guys carried the show when Ned died you troll. Who the fuk was Joffrey?! The actor who played Jofffey stopped acting cuz he was so good at it and people irl started hating on him. Brb cercei carried the show gtfo


If this show had any continuity the would have been murdered long ago both by friends and enemies when she commited worse horrors than the mad king which was blowing up the sept
post 1579808591 05-10-2019, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted By GotNext
Yes, Jon without a doubt has earned the right to sit on a throne, or even the Iron Throne - but at the core of his character, he doesn't want to. He never wanted to. Thats the struggle he fought all along! As they mention multiple times, people tend to gather around him, he is a natural leader, people easily trust him, because he is trustworthy. He didn't want to be the right hand man of the Lord Commander, but he saw something in him. He didn't want to be the next Lord Commander, but a (thin) majority of the Black wanted him to be just that. He didn't want to be the King in the North, but Lady Mormmont and the rest made him anyway. He doesn't want the Iron Throne, but Varys (and probably Sansa) wants him to.

It's - considering how much they otherwise suck - very consistent writing by D&D when it comes to Jon.

The discussion between Tyrion and Varys is key, because Varys reminds the audience that Westeros is a patriarchical society -the male heir gets to sit on the throne. Jon - even though one generation removed from the Mad King (Aerys II), has a stronger right to the throne than Daenerys, who is his daughter. Tyrion is trying to save Dany, summoning very progressive ideas like "who gives a fuk about the cock between his legs", while Varys wants her removed and summons the more traditionalist view that a man will have an easier time ruling given the Westerosi culture.

Varys says Jon won't marry Daenerys because they are related and that while Daenerys (as a Targaryen, where that is common) has no problem with it, Jon would not feel the same because Northeners usually do not marry incestually. And ON TOP OF THAT, Daenerys is too strong for him, in terms of her will. Daenerys is certainly far more driven and ambitious than Jon. He does wants right and in front of him (lead men, save lives, fix the wrongs he sees), Daenerys always had big goals (breaker of chains, conquering Westeros, sitting on the Iron Throne). And since you bring up Ygritte ... didn't she kept telling him that he knows nothing ... and even shot him with an arrow? Jon is not a dominant male character.
Jon does not need to “dominate” because he is a natural born alpha, after just a few words with him people follow him. And as for Ygritte (Jon was 17 at this point), I always found the “You know nothing” was just her being playful and also in many situations a defence, a counter argument when she didn’t know what to respond. She would have followed him anywhere.

Yes, Jon doesn’t care about the Iron Throne and never asked to be King in the North but it’s not true he never wanted to be Lord Commander. In Season 2 Mormont asked him: “You want to lead one day? (Jon nods) Then learn how to follow.“ But it seems writers want us to forget about this.

If you want to call it patriarchy because males are always first in the line to the throne OK, but Jon still earned the throne more than Dany. Everything Jon ever did was for his people including fighting and giving his life, everything Dany ever did was for herself, including freeing the slaves which she only did because she needed men to sacrifice their lives for her.
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV
lul

that was the beginning of the downward trajectory.

Interracial/sjw/feminism was HOTT back then too
I've heard some people claiming the show actually turned bigoted. Because Missandei is a black woman killed while "in chains".

Sounds like preferential treatment. Plenty of people beheaded in the show were bound.
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post 1579809181 05-10-2019, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted By mandarino
Are you on crack?
Cercei carried the show? Shes a decent actor but who the fuk was Tywin, Varys, Tyrion, Littlefinger. Those guys carried the show when Ned died you troll. Who the fuk was Joffrey?! The actor who played Jofffey stopped acting cuz he was so good at it and people irl started hating on him. Brb cercei carried the show gtfo


If this show had any continuity the would have been murdered long ago both by friends and enemies when she commited worse horrors than the mad king which was blowing up the sept


tywin wasn't really a main avatar audience character although he was a badass fan favorite.

the avatar for the audience in that scene is Cersei she is the one audiences reflect on. From her POV. Tyrion is similar, so is Arya.

The whole Cersei and Jaime incest thing was also a huge pop culture motif bigger than any of those other characters, who all happen to be her father, brother, son, and assistants. Many of which are elevated as characters by the authenticity of her performances.

She was in the first pilot episode to the end, unlike other characters.
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man season 8 has been a clusterfuk

building up NK for 7 seasons so he could nullify Dannys army before facing the final boss (Cersei), all within 3 episodes was dumb as chit

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post 1579809441 05-10-2019, 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport
I've heard some people claiming the show actually turned bigoted. Because Missandei is a black woman killed while "in chains".

Sounds like preferential treatment. Plenty of people beheaded in the show were bound.
yeah I bet the writers were livid when they saw that reaction.

Like in 2019 its actually racist NOT to kill a black character because they are black, and after all the sjw groundwork thy laid down just to have audiences be so ignorant to still not give them the benefit of the doubt.

If anything its game of thrones style to kill people who you dont think should die, so if she was a black character its like reverse plot armor.

It would have been more racist to keep the two "minorities" alive with a boring send off just because they are a supposedly protected class.

that's racist to say missandei can't die because she is black, what a dumb person who ever said that.

and not only that, the way it happened, who she was, Danys best friend and confidant for a long time, is gonna trigger some big thing. So its the main character of the final plot using her death as a catalyst for the ending.

In other wards she cares for missandei so much she's gonna do something crazy...

but still people are so dumb.
post 1579809951 05-10-2019, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV


tywin wasn't really a main avatar audience character although he was a badass fan favorite.

the avatar for the audience in that scene is Cersei she is the one audiences reflect on. From her POV. Tyrion is similar, so is Arya.

The whole Cersei and Jaime incest thing was also a huge pop culture motif bigger than any of those other characters, who all happen to be her father, brother, son, and assistants. Many of which are elevated as characters by the authenticity of her performances.

She was in the first pilot episode to the end, unlike other characters.
Go back in time or stay in the present and ask anyone in the world if Cercei carried and was the face of the show compared to other characters at the time when Ned got killed. Lmao uwotm8
post 1579809961 05-10-2019, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV
yeah I bet the writers were livid when they saw that reaction.

Like in 2019 its actually racist NOT to kill a black character because they are black, and after all the sjw groundwork thy laid down just to have audiences be so ignorant to still not give them the benefit of the doubt.

If anything its game of thrones style to kill people who you dont think should die, so if she was a black character its like reverse plot armor.

It would have been more racist to keep the two "minorities" alive with a boring send off just because they are a supposedly protected class.

that's racist to say missandei can't die because she is black, what a dumb person who ever said that.

and not only that, the way it happened, who she was, Danys best friend and confidant for a long time, is gonna trigger some big thing. So its the main character of the final plot using her death as a catalyst for the ending.

In other wards she cares for missandei so much she's gonna do something crazy...

but still people are so dumb.
Yeah abiding by these PC rules just sabotages film and TV. No one should be protected especially in a show that was made famous by its incorporation of medieval culture.

Probably won't be a big issue though, just like the rape scenes in S1. People complain but then get over it.
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post 1579812331 05-10-2019, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport
I've heard some people claiming the show actually turned bigoted. Because Missandei is a black woman killed while "in chains".
Originally Posted By KingSWRV
yeah I bet the writers were livid when they saw that reaction.

Like in 2019 its actually racist NOT to kill a black character because they are black, and after all the sjw groundwork thy laid down just to have audiences be so ignorant to still not give them the benefit of the doubt.

If anything its game of thrones style to kill people who you dont think should die, so if she was a black character its like reverse plot armor.
The funny thing is she's not black, she's half white and half black.
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post 1579813751 05-10-2019, 04:30 AM
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Saw some new leaks on /freefolk that actually sounded logical and satisfying. suffice it to say, its probably too good to be true.

Are we allowed to discuss potential leaks here?
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post 1579813851 05-10-2019, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
The funny thing is she's not black, she's half white and half black.
yeaaa but only half of that matters brah...
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post 1579814381 05-10-2019, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah
Saw some new leaks on /freefolk that actually sounded logical and satisfying. suffice it to say, its probably too good to be true.

Are we allowed to discuss potential leaks here?
Only if you phrase them as something you just "guessed" like all the other *******s.

Go read post #1.
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post 1579814471 05-10-2019, 05:00 AM
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Spoiler!
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post 1579814961 05-10-2019, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah
Saw some new leaks on /freefolk that actually sounded logical and satisfying. suffice it to say, its probably too good to be true.

Are we allowed to discuss potential leaks here?
In spoiler tags.

If the leak that someone randomly post on another forum is true, then I'm annoyed. But I have no idea how they are going to go from to that ending in 2 episodes.
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post 1579815781 05-10-2019, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV
Well its kinda valid, Lena Heady and Sean Bean carried the show early on. Sean of LOTR fame and just as resonant, everyones favorite movie around the time 300. There was massive carry over from the character she played in 300 and Cercei in magic and spirit of the character and for the shows vibe.

After they killed off Sean she was like the main headliner who carried the show and was the main face of the show and the Lannisters which are a huge piece of what made it all so popular and effective.

It would have been crazy to think back in the early seasons the Cersei Lannister is "lower" than some random ice zombies they sometimes showed once a year.

but now in season 8 you want to act like the NK is more important because of story progression, but its kinda silly to say that.

In a way Cersei IS game of thrones in a nutshell. her baddassery kinda faded in recent seasons and she isn't as hot anymore but in her prime she was the ultimate representation of the show.

She had some of the most iconic lines in pop culture associated with her:
power is power
Lannisters send their regards
shameee
tell Cersei it was me

in totality it makes sense though, just its not as apparent because of where the progression is now.
Even so, the writers fuked up because from season 6 through the first half of season 8, they built up the white walkers to be the ultimate villain and then disappointed all the fans by killing them off in one second and saying "haha nevermind, Cersei is still the main villain".
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post 1579817681 05-10-2019, 06:27 AM
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what people fail to realize is GRRM gave D&D the major points to finish the show with Cersei being Endgame included.

NK and the White walkers were never endgame for GRRM.
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Originally Posted By rainieravesouth
what people fail to realize is GRRM gave D&D the major points to finish the show with Cersei being Endgame included.

NK and the White walkers were never endgame for GRRM.
Yes this is factually true but NK was made for the show and how he was killed is a large sore point for a lot of people. Personally, I enjoyed Episode 3 greatly until the end when everyone looked like they were dying but lived. That's artificial suspense and a cheap trick reserved for sci-fi. I am not above that, but I though GoT was. Episode 4 was dog chit.

I am going to read the books for sure though.
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ok im going to post the spoilers that i saw and that I think is one of the best endings we could get at this point

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Dany sees that Varys is trying to betray her and puts him and Tyrion on trial. Varys tries to say Tyrion is the one doing the betraying but then Dany tells Varys that her "little birds" heard the conversation between Varys and Tyrion and then burns Varys alive

Yara Greyjoy attacks Eurons fleet as Dany distracts Euron with the dragon. He is thrown overboard and is then harpooned by Yara

The Golden Company break their contract on orders by the Iron Bank and go against Cersei

Cersei panics and orders Qyburn to "burn them all" with wild fire but the Hound kills him on his way to find the Mountain

Cersei flees with Jaimie to the bedchamber, where Arya pulls of Jaimies face and kills Cersei

at this point everything is burning and the Mountain goes to kill Arya but the Hound overcomes his fear and runs through the fire to save Arya and Cleganebowl happens

Dany continues to go nuts and burns everything

After the battle she accuses Sansa, Bran, and Arya of treason. Jon the reluctantly takes claim to throne just to protect his family

Jon kills Dany and Drogon himself, like Ned always did

Jon then gives up the crown and leaves Sansa, Gendry, Davos, and Tyrion to split up the Kingdom

Jon then goes north and reunites with ghost at the wall, where Bran is using magic to repair the wall

Jon then heads north to find Tormund but instead finds a fresh spiral symbol made from wildling bodies
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Originally Posted By rectifryer
Yes this is factually true but NK was made for the show and how he was killed is a large sore point for a lot of people. Personally, I enjoyed Episode 3 greatly until the end when everyone looked like they were dying but lived. That's artificial suspense and a cheap trick reserved for sci-fi. I am not above that, but I though GoT was. Episode 4 was dog chit.

I am going to read the books for sure though.
how were people expecting him to die? at the hands of jon? after a drawn out sword fight? being surrounded by all the main characters?

a 1 v 1 battle with Jon would have been too predictable. He would have needed help.

If it were all the major characters attacking NK people would complain because it was "too much like Avengers vs. thor" or any other movie with a powerful villain.

I think NK had to be taken by surprise and with his guard down. That's the only way he could lose, is by beating himself

I know the past few seasons havent been as good as the first 5, but, these are the last few episodes. People seem to complain just to complain rather than sitting back and just enjoying it for what it is.
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah
ok im going to post the spoilers that i saw and that I think is one of the best endings we could get at this point

I used to make sure I didn't read spoilers (learned my lesson when the R wedding was spoiled for me here on the misc lol) but because of the serious drop in quality the last season(s) I just stopped caring so I read them

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Originally Posted By JaxBrah
Saw some new leaks on /freefolk that actually sounded logical and satisfying. suffice it to say, its probably too good to be true.

Are we allowed to discuss potential leaks here?
Put in spoiler tag... I love spoilers. I like reading as much as I like watching stuff I guess and spoilers is just a way to read if that makes sense
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Originally Posted By rainieravesouth
how were people expecting him to die? at the hands of jon? after a drawn out sword fight? being surrounded by all the main characters?

a 1 v 1 battle with Jon would have been too predictable. He would have needed help.

If it were all the major characters attacking NK people would complain because it was "too much like Avengers vs. thor" or any other movie with a powerful villain.

I think NK had to be taken by surprise and with his guard down. That's the only way he could lose, is by beating himself

I know the past few seasons havent been as good as the first 5, but, these are the last few episodes. People seem to complain just to complain rather than sitting back and just enjoying it for what it is.
idk man, from the very first episode the white walkers were built as the ultimate threat, with them to end with no proper fights or conclusion to their story. I easily see why people are pissed, beyond "it is what it is".
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Originally Posted By 300BLK
idk man, from the very first episode the white walkers were built as the ultimate threat, with them to end with no proper fights or conclusion to their story. I easily see why people are pissed, beyond "it is what it is".
Made for tv or not, it was a rather quick ending for a 7 year build up.
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah
Saw some new leaks on /freefolk that actually sounded logical and satisfying. suffice it to say, its probably too good to be true.

Are we allowed to discuss potential leaks here?
it used to be that people who posted leaks or spoilers got banned

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Originally Posted By rainieravesouth
People seem to complain just to complain rather than sitting back and just enjoying it for what it is.
welcome to the internet in 2019

there are lots of valid points against the show but yes, it's becoming a "thing" to hate on the show now.
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE
it used to be that people who posted leaks or spoilers got banned

miss those days
this

Can people who want spoilers just go post on reddit and leave this thread alone? Eventually they will "theorize" about the chit they already know to seem smart or whatever the fuk their motives are.
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Originally Posted By Murph0408
welcome to the internet in 2019

there are lots of valid points against the show but yes, it's becoming a "thing" to hate on the show now.
Pretty much. It happens with popular things tho

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Originally Posted By Murph0408
welcome to the internet in 2019

there are lots of valid points against the show but yes, it's becoming a "thing" to hate on the show now.
If you believe this, I have a bridge to sell you
hi.
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah
ok im going to post the spoilers that i saw and that I think is one of the best endings we could get at this point

Spoiler!
Dany sees that Varys is trying to betray her and puts him and Tyrion on trial. Varys tries to say Tyrion is the one doing the betraying but then Dany tells Varys that her "little birds" heard the conversation between Varys and Tyrion and then burns Varys alive

Yara Greyjoy attacks Eurons fleet as Dany distracts Euron with the dragon. He is thrown overboard and is then harpooned by Yara

The Golden Company break their contract on orders by the Iron Bank and go against Cersei

Cersei panics and orders Qyburn to "burn them all" with wild fire but the Hound kills him on his way to find the Mountain

Cersei flees with Jaimie to the bedchamber, where Arya pulls of Jaimies face and kills Cersei

at this point everything is burning and the Mountain goes to kill Arya but the Hound overcomes his fear and runs through the fire to save Arya and Cleganebowl happens

Dany continues to go nuts and burns everything

After the battle she accuses Sansa, Bran, and Arya of treason. Jon the reluctantly takes claim to throne just to protect his family

Jon kills Dany and Drogon himself, like Ned always did

Jon then gives up the crown and leaves Sansa, Gendry, Davos, and Tyrion to split up the Kingdom

Jon then goes north and reunites with ghost at the wall, where Bran is using magic to repair the wall

Jon then heads north to find Tormund but instead finds a fresh spiral symbol made from wildling bodies
Where did you get those?

Spoiler!
I`ve read spoilers on freefolk and that ending was HORRIBLE. Yours I`m fine with actually lol
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