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ยป Once Upon a Time in Hollywood discussion thread.....(spoilers)
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post 1586840951 08-28-2019, 02:11 PM
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Anything with Timothy Olyphant is a must watch for me and this was awesome.Chad Pitt was uber cool and imo made the movie.Loved that last scene and have been listening to that song "Keep me Hangin on" by Vanilla Fudge since watching this.Man who woulda thought one could want Hippies,who one in general relates to as cool and peace loving, to get the chit beaten out of em like in that final act.WOW.
post 1586848781 08-28-2019, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
'Should' is a very strong to me.

Do you believe that artists 'should' not take responsibility or be held accountable, for the potential or actual impact of their work?

Let's say an artist (which has happened historically) makes racist cartoons, depicting entire demographics as inferior and sub-human. Do you still take a lasseiz-faire attitude to those artistic depictions?

For examples of what I'm talking about, just google some of the cartoons about Jews circulating in Nazis Germany.
Relating this to Nazi propaganda is going deep into "unbearable wokness" territory. The all too common "He is worse that Hitler" or "he is a nazi" is a cheap criticism requiring almost no critical analysis, and is usually more offensive in and of itself than whatever the accusee did to have such claims leveled against them....Such as it is in this case.
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post 1586848861 08-28-2019, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Mr.PissShivers
Relating this to Nazi propaganda is going deep into "unbearable wokness" territory. The all too common "He is worse that Hitler" or "he is a nazi" is a cheap criticism requiring almost no critical analysis, and is usually more offensive in and of itself that whatever the accusee did to have those claims leveled against them....Such as it is in this case.
And QT has been held accountable for his work, having been criticized far more than most filmmakers during his career.
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post 1586848931 08-28-2019, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Mr.PissShivers
And QT has been held accountable for his work, having been criticized far more than most filmmakers during his career.
And I want to make clear that I am not against criticism over the exaggerated portrayal of Bruce Lee in this film...If fans of his are hurt by the segment, I wouldn't try to change their minds. But the notion that QT should have to paint Bruce in a certain way otherwise people might get the wrong idea is a criticism that doesn't hold water for reasons I've already stated.
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post 1586848971 08-28-2019, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Mr.PissShivers
And I want to make clear that I am not against criticism over the exaggerated portrayal of Bruce Lee in this film...If fans of his are hurt by the segment, I wouldn't try to change their minds. But the notion that QT should have to paint Bruce in a certain way otherwise people might get the wrong idea is a criticism that doesn't hold water for reasons I've already stated.
And as a fan of Bruce Lee myself I saw the segment for what it was, a funny comedic set piece that exaggerated Bruce Lee's arrogance when it came to martial arts.

You can like it or you dislike it, but you can't say he can't do it.
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post 1586849111 08-28-2019, 04:27 PM
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Apologies for having to post this in segments, the site wouldn't let me post my response in it's entirety
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post 1586859251 08-28-2019, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted By khatskevitch
Anything with Timothy Olyphant is a must watch for me and this was awesome.Chad Pitt was uber cool and imo made the movie.Loved that last scene and have been listening to that song "Keep me Hangin on" by Vanilla Fudge since watching this.Man who woulda thought one could want Hippies,who one in general relates to as cool and peace loving, to get the chit beaten out of em like in that final act.WOW.
Not your garden variety hippies...More like brainwashed cold blooded killers.
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post 1586878191 08-29-2019, 06:20 AM
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I can't quote you or I'll get 404'd so I'll just write my reply to your posts here....

In reply to this post...

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1586848781

I was checking to see how extreme your seemingly lasseiz faire attitude to the - potential or actual - impact of the work of artists was.

Ironically you've jumped to as wild a conclusion as the 'woke' people you are criticizing.

All you had to do was ask what was the intention behind that post was.
And I want to make clear that I am not against criticism over the exaggerated portrayal of Bruce Lee in this film...If fans of his are hurt by the segment, I wouldn't try to change their minds. But the notion that QT should have to paint Bruce in a certain way otherwise people might get the wrong idea is a criticism that doesn't hold water for reasons I've already stated.
I never said that he 'should' do anything.

Like I said beforeshouldis a strong word to me - it denotes the belief that something is a rule or obligation. I didn't once use that word.

IMO it was an irresponsible representation of Bruce, for someone who says that they are a fan. Especially given that no other real actor is caricatured in such a way in the movie by Quentin.

If he was generally caricaturing real actors, then it would have a different impact... People who have no prior knowledge of Bruce Lee will likely walk away knowing that everyone's characteristics were being exaggerated for comedic effect. However, he chose to portray Steve Mcqueen and Roman Polanski -who raped a 13 year old- in a straight forward way, but chose to single out Bruce Lee to be caricatured.

A rapist wasn't caricatured by QT, but someone who he's a big fan of was single out to be? Seems bizarre to me.
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post 1586912411 08-29-2019, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
I can't quote you or I'll get 404'd so I'll just write my reply to your posts here....

In reply to this post...

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1586848781

I was checking to see how extreme your seemingly lasseiz faire attitude to the - potential or actual - impact of the work of artists was.

Ironically you've jumped to as wild a conclusion as the 'woke' people you are criticizing.

All you had to do was ask what was the intention behind that post was.



I never said that he 'should' do anything.

Like I said beforeshouldis a strong word to me - it denotes the belief that something is a rule or obligation. I didn't once use that word.

IMO it was an irresponsible representation of Bruce, for someone who says that they are a fan. Especially given that no other real actor is caricatured in such a way in the movie by Quentin.

If he was generally caricaturing real actors, then it would have a different impact... People who have no prior knowledge of Bruce Lee will likely walk away knowing that everyone's characteristics were being exaggerated for comedic effect. However, he chose to portray Steve Mcqueen and Roman Polanski -who raped a 13 year old- in a straight forward way, but chose to single out Bruce Lee to be caricatured.

A rapist wasn't caricatured by QT, but someone who he's a big fan of was single out to be? Seems bizarre to me.
Firstly, I don't know wft if wrong with this site, this is some annoying pain in the ass bullsh!t.

To borrow from the video I posted in post #71, "Movies are about what they're about, they are not about what they are not about."

Bruce Lee is caricatured the way he is because exaggerating that particular personality flaw fit the story both comedically and narratively.

Why were Steve McQueen and Roman Polanski not caricatured the way Bruce Lee was? Because it wasn't part of the story he was telling...and the movie is about what its about, its not about what its not about.

This is similar to the criticism I read recently that the fact that the Manson family were white supremacists should have been a factor in the movie. Now again, if it fit into the story he was trying to tell I'm sure that aspect would have been included into the narrative, but it wasn't....Because again, the movie is about what its about, its not about what its not about.

In order for QT to address those things he would have had to deviate from the story he wanted to tell. And his story wasn't about Sharon Tate or the Manson family's racism or the fact that Steve McQueen was a philandering, woman beating drug addict or Roman Polanski being a future rapist.

It was about Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth struggling to find their place during a transitional period in Hollywood history....That what its about, its not about those other things.
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post 1595601571 01-14-2020, 03:36 PM
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Watched the movie last night. I LOVED it.

No one wants to discuss the hairy armpit on the chick (Andie McDowell's) daughter as she's laying on Brad Pitt's lap?

Leo was great in it, Pitt was even better. He's just as cool as he was in Ocean's Eleven. Margot is HNNNGGGGGG.

How about the way they had that child diddler Polanski dressed up as Austin Powers?

The scenery was cool, I dug the Cadillac. And as soon as Kurt Russell showed up, it was affirmation that I knew I was going to like it.

The end is what should have happened to those scum. Brandy for the win.
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Originally Posted By AlBHappy
How about the way they had that child diddler Polanski dressed up as Austin Powers?
Because thats how he dressed:

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