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12-20-2019, 05:43 PM
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#8701
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
how is the trigger good?This is literally the most retarded thing you have ever posted to M4C lol you're trying too hard
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12-20-2019, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Meatie⏩
I would never, every say that S&W trigger is smooth. I mean...let's be real here lol. How is the 2.0 trigger good? Because Apexhow is the trigger good?
try saying it without saying
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12-20-2019, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Meatie⏩
A good chest rig is pretty necessary. Don’t know why you’d regret it.Also just spent way too much money on a travis haley chest rig
my first chest rig so i got it loaded all up and its neat but dang i could have bought a bunch of over neat **** for that price

my first chest rig so i got it loaded all up and its neat but dang i could have bought a bunch of over neat **** for that price

12-20-2019, 05:52 PM
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#8704
Originally Posted By benz5521⏩
thanks for the sage james yeagerarian adviceA good chest rig is pretty necessary. Don’t know why you’d regret it.
they can get obscenely expensive. some of the SOE ones make the one I got look cheap
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12-20-2019, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Like...what world do you live in that you think the VP9 trigger is that good? It's really not. Like at all. lolThis is literally the most retarded thing you have ever posted to M4C lol you're trying too hard
I mean, M&P 2.0 trigger talk aside, the P-10C is much better than the VP9. VP9 is a very mediocre trigger. Not the worst, but certainly not something I'd say is a highlight for the gun...
12-20-2019, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
Pause the cz sloppy suck off for a moment and, other than their pistols, what do you believe are the best striker fired factory triggers?Like...what world do you live in that you think the VP9 trigger is that good? It's really not. Like at all. lol
I mean, M&P 2.0 trigger talk aside, the P-10C is much better than the VP9. VP9 is a very mediocre trigger. Not the worst, but certainly not something I'd say is a highlight for the gun...
I mean, M&P 2.0 trigger talk aside, the P-10C is much better than the VP9. VP9 is a very mediocre trigger. Not the worst, but certainly not something I'd say is a highlight for the gun...
12-20-2019, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Meatie⏩
how much did you pay for the vp9sk? the 2.0?I literally have M&P2.0's, a P10C and now a VP9SK and you were right the whole time
P10c has bar none the best trigger. I could see people saying the 2.0 trigger is for them (subjective)
but there is no way in hell the VP9 trigger comes NEAR the p10c trigger. The VP9 trigger is long but "sMoOtH" as the HK cultists say. the reset is garbage. for the price you'd expect it to beat a 2.0 trigger but I can't say it even does that.
P10c has bar none the best trigger. I could see people saying the 2.0 trigger is for them (subjective)
but there is no way in hell the VP9 trigger comes NEAR the p10c trigger. The VP9 trigger is long but "sMoOtH" as the HK cultists say. the reset is garbage. for the price you'd expect it to beat a 2.0 trigger but I can't say it even does that.
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12-20-2019, 06:36 PM
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#8708
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Any volunteers?
Any volunteers?
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12-20-2019, 06:38 PM
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Out of my sample size of one . . . I like my VP9 trigger far more than my P-10c trigger. The reset on the P-10c is really nice. But everything else about the VP9 trigger makes it more enjoyable to shoot and I'm more accurate with it so far. The P-10c trigger feels heavier and a lot more "stiff" and is actually a little uncomfortable to shoot after a short period of time. Makes the pad of my finger sore pretty quickly, which I haven't had on really any other pistol.
I was actually a little underwhelmed by the P-10c. Was expecting to fall in love with it right out of the box based on all I had heard about it . . . and it left me a little disappointed. I plan to shoot it more to see if it grows on me, but if I had to pick between the two of them for a long range day, I'd grab the VP9 every day and twice on Sunday right now.
I was actually a little underwhelmed by the P-10c. Was expecting to fall in love with it right out of the box based on all I had heard about it . . . and it left me a little disappointed. I plan to shoot it more to see if it grows on me, but if I had to pick between the two of them for a long range day, I'd grab the VP9 every day and twice on Sunday right now.
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12-20-2019, 06:39 PM
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Okay so I just traded for a Glock 45 and Glock 42. Going to sell the G42 as it’s a bitch ass .380.
On the other hand....I can’t decide what to do with the G45 (G19 slide w/ G17 grip, front slide serrations and 8 sights). Already have a G19 and G17. Trying to figure out if I should keep it or not.....
On the other hand....I can’t decide what to do with the G45 (G19 slide w/ G17 grip, front slide serrations and 8 sights). Already have a G19 and G17. Trying to figure out if I should keep it or not.....
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12-20-2019, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Lefticle⏩
I'll give you $3.50 for the G45.Okay so I just traded for a Glock 45 and Glock 42. Going to sell the G42 as it’s a bitch ass .380.
On the other hand....I can’t decide what to do with the G45 (G19 slide w/ G17 grip, front slide serrations and 8 sights). Already have a G19 and G17. Trying to figure out if I should keep it or not.....
On the other hand....I can’t decide what to do with the G45 (G19 slide w/ G17 grip, front slide serrations and 8 sights). Already have a G19 and G17. Trying to figure out if I should keep it or not.....
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12-20-2019, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Uhh....PPQ, TP9...P-10C. There's quite a few polymer guns with triggers considerably better than the VP9...Pause the cz sloppy suck off for a moment and, other than their pistols, what do you believe are the best striker fired factory triggers?
Get off the VP9 suck off for a moment.
12-20-2019, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I cannot agree with this.nah, it still has arguably the best stock striker fired trigger and fantastic ergos and shoots extraordinarily well with a superior mag release, just the bore axis with shooting fast, and a short barrel and lesser capacity for the physical size
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
This is almost exactly how I would put it, but with the pistols swapped. Accuracy between the two is not close in my experience. Again, just a quick one vs one anecdotal deal as well as far as all that goes.Out of my sample size of one . . . I like my VP9 trigger far more than my P-10c trigger. The reset on the P-10c is really nice. But everything else about the VP9 trigger makes it more enjoyable to shoot and I'm more accurate with it so far. The P-10c trigger feels heavier and a lot more "stiff" and is actually a little uncomfortable to shoot after a short period of time. Makes the pad of my finger sore pretty quickly, which I haven't had on really any other pistol.
I was actually a little underwhelmed by the P-10c. Was expecting to fall in love with it right out of the box based on all I had heard about it . . . and it left me a little disappointed. I plan to shoot it more to see if it grows on me, but if I had to pick between the two of them for a long range day, I'd grab the VP9 every day and twice on Sunday right now.
I was actually a little underwhelmed by the P-10c. Was expecting to fall in love with it right out of the box based on all I had heard about it . . . and it left me a little disappointed. I plan to shoot it more to see if it grows on me, but if I had to pick between the two of them for a long range day, I'd grab the VP9 every day and twice on Sunday right now.
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12-20-2019, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted By pUniCepts⏩
i see your point but i feel incredibly frustrated by the anti gun movement of companies. i feel like i need to boycott any company that contributes to this. besides, wal mart is a corporation whos sole interest is increasing the bottom line. the only reason they would choose not to sell pistol ammo is because it makes them money. im willing to bet somebody like mike bloomburg paid them a large sum of money to take the stance they did.due to the store variety in my locale I shop there a lot.
I don't see it as a shot at firearms rights. They are free to choose not to sell whatever they don't want to (and you should support this).
They don't have to sell firearms at all. Other than sporting goods, pawn, and gun shops, who does? Can't think of a single hardware, home goods, clothing, food, etc. store that does, but I don't hold it against them.
If they had never sold firearms/ammo and then started to sell a limited selection of reasonably priced firearms/ammo, we'd be in the same place, but guessing there's a good chance you'd be applauding them instead of criticizing.
afaik (and I could be wrong), the only limit on firearms rights they've imposed is ASKing that people don't open carry. I'm completely ok with this because open carry is retarded.
I do think it's fabulous they are backing out of the firearms/ammo market for the most part because it helps the local gun store.
I don't see it as a shot at firearms rights. They are free to choose not to sell whatever they don't want to (and you should support this).
They don't have to sell firearms at all. Other than sporting goods, pawn, and gun shops, who does? Can't think of a single hardware, home goods, clothing, food, etc. store that does, but I don't hold it against them.
If they had never sold firearms/ammo and then started to sell a limited selection of reasonably priced firearms/ammo, we'd be in the same place, but guessing there's a good chance you'd be applauding them instead of criticizing.
afaik (and I could be wrong), the only limit on firearms rights they've imposed is ASKing that people don't open carry. I'm completely ok with this because open carry is retarded.
I do think it's fabulous they are backing out of the firearms/ammo market for the most part because it helps the local gun store.
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never shot a VP9 but i have shot the HK 45 which is essentially a compact USP. it may look cool but that high bore axis creates alot of muzzle rise compared to what im used to, which is mostly glock.Been tryna tell ya'll that since the damn things were released.
If it didn't have HK stamped on the side, it would just be another polymer striker no one pays any mind to.
If it didn't have HK stamped on the side, it would just be another polymer striker no one pays any mind to.
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The Democratic party is absolutely imploding. I have people who have been life long Democrats on my ******** friends list who are re registering as Republican. It's actually pretty incredible. The more they poke the Trump Bear, the more they fuk themselves.

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i havent really been looking for arsenal AKs lately but i believe they can still be bought. thing is with imported AKs is that the supply is decreasing and the price is going up. arsenal makes very good AKs though, if you can afford it i would recommend. high quality and very nice fit and finish.Merica
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12-20-2019, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
harmonicaOut of my sample size of one . . . I like my VP9 trigger far more than my P-10c trigger. The reset on the P-10c is really nice. But everything else about the VP9 trigger makes it more enjoyable to shoot and I'm more accurate with it so far. The P-10c trigger feels heavier and a lot more "stiff" and is actually a little uncomfortable to shoot after a short period of time. Makes the pad of my finger sore pretty quickly, which I haven't had on really any other pistol.
I was actually a little underwhelmed by the P-10c. Was expecting to fall in love with it right out of the box based on all I had heard about it . . . and it left me a little disappointed. I plan to shoot it more to see if it grows on me, but if I had to pick between the two of them for a long range day, I'd grab the VP9 every day and twice on Sunday right now.
I was actually a little underwhelmed by the P-10c. Was expecting to fall in love with it right out of the box based on all I had heard about it . . . and it left me a little disappointed. I plan to shoot it more to see if it grows on me, but if I had to pick between the two of them for a long range day, I'd grab the VP9 every day and twice on Sunday right now.
Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
PPQ and VP9 are practically the same gun and trigger. Your bias is showing...we know the VP9 comes in first.Uhh....PPQ, TP9...P-10C. There's quite a few polymer guns with triggers considerably better than the VP9...
Get off the VP9 suck off for a moment.
Get off the VP9 suck off for a moment.

12-20-2019, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
They might look the same, but the PPQ trigger is still better.PPQ and VP9 are practically the same gun and trigger. Your bias is showing...we know the VP9 comes in first.

12-20-2019, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
Didn’t Taf shoot them at the same time and chose the VP9? Makes me think that Taf’s particular VP9 might just be an exceptional example.They might look the same, but the PPQ trigger is still better.
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12-20-2019, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted By 4ea⏩
say i cant pick up an arsenal..whats a good alternative...from my research so far its been Zastava, Wasr, and Saiga are the next best options...(Veprs also but u can really get them anymore)i havent really been looking for arsenal AKs lately but i believe they can still be bought. thing is with imported AKs is that the supply is decreasing and the price is going up. arsenal makes very good AKs though, if you can afford it i would recommend. high quality and very nice fit and finish.
also i just bought the Ear muffs the other dude recomended...anyone know which vest this guy is wearing? looks dope

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12-20-2019, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted By MoeBettuh⏩
I rented the PPQ M2 and the VP9 and shot them side-by-side and back-and-forth one night when I was trying to decide between the two. I came to the same conclusion as Farley. They felt like the same, exact gun to me. Look alot the same. Everything about them felt the same and they both shot incredibly smooth and accurate from the jump. It was essentially a dead heat between the two after putting a bunch of rounds down range with both. I could have flipped a coin and been thrilled with either one, TBH.Didn’t Taf shoot them at the same time and chose the VP9? Makes me think that Taf’s particular VP9 might just be an exceptional example.
In the end, I thought I shot the VP9 by just the thinnest of hairs "better". The tie-breaker in my mind was that when I picked up the VP9 the first time, I drilled the bullseye on the first couple shots. I ended up buying my VP9 online (Grabagun, I think).
I don't know what it is with my P-10c. Maybe I got one with a stiff trigger that just needs to work itself out? It's also not nearly as comfortable in the hand as the VP9 . . . that thing fits like a freaking glove. The P-10c has that more utilitarian, rough feel with the rough texture. I don't hate it. I just don't love it like I thought I would.
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12-20-2019, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
He’s a miscer. Just ask him. Username is sword_say i cant pick up an arsenal..whats a good alternative...from my research so far its been Zastava, Wasr, and Saiga are the next best options...(Veprs also but u can really get them anymore)
also i just bought the Ear muffs the other dude recomended...anyone know which vest this guy is wearing? looks dope

also i just bought the Ear muffs the other dude recomended...anyone know which vest this guy is wearing? looks dope

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12-20-2019, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
if you can find a pre ban saiga import then get that. new WASRs are good too. dont know about zastava but ive never heard anything abd about them so their probably also good to go.say i cant pick up an arsenal..whats a good alternative...from my research so far its been Zastava, Wasr, and Saiga are the next best options...(Veprs also but u can really get them anymore)
one thing to keep in mind about AKs in general though is that they dont always have the best quality control, so its best to inspect the rifle before you purchase it.
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12-20-2019, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted By MoeBettuh⏩
Well, like any production gun, some are better than others.Didn’t Taf shoot them at the same time and chose the VP9? Makes me think that Taf’s particular VP9 might just be an exceptional example.
Bought myself an SP-01 Phantom today and its probably one of, if not the best, CZ 75 non Shadow triggers I've ever felt out the box. DA just over 9 lbs and very smooth. SA just over 4lb and white crisp. I have a Pro Kit ready to go in it. Honestly I probably wouldn't even install it if it weren't for the factory reset being a little long and me not being a fan of the OEM trigger shape.
Felt others with 11lb DA's, gritty, with stacking and 5+lb SA's. Sometimes tolerance stacking falls out just right and works in your favor.
12-20-2019, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
Aren’t the Saigas and the Arsenals literally the exact same thing?say i cant pick up an arsenal..whats a good alternative...from my research so far its been Zastava, Wasr, and Saiga are the next best options...(Veprs also but u can really get them anymore)
also i just bought the Ear muffs the other dude recomended...anyone know which vest this guy is wearing? looks dope

also i just bought the Ear muffs the other dude recomended...anyone know which vest this guy is wearing? looks dope

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12-20-2019, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted By MoeBettuh⏩
i thought saigas were russian and arsenal was bulgarianAren’t the Saigas and the Arsenals literally the exact same thing?
oh yea...isnt there somethin called a chinese norinco ?
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12-20-2019, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
Pretty sure the vest is the Crye JPC 2.0say i cant pick up an arsenal..whats a good alternative...from my research so far its been Zastava, Wasr, and Saiga are the next best options...(Veprs also but u can really get them anymore)
also i just bought the Ear muffs the other dude recomended...anyone know which vest this guy is wearing? looks dope

also i just bought the Ear muffs the other dude recomended...anyone know which vest this guy is wearing? looks dope

12-20-2019, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted By MoeBettuh⏩
I have...more than one...VP. They're just good.Didn’t Taf shoot them at the same time and chose the VP9? Makes me think that Taf’s particular VP9 might just be an exceptional example.

Being winter if I wasn't carrying the M2.0 sub/compact, my next choice would probably be the full size VP9. Summer would still go to the G26 though
12-20-2019, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
I think originally, Arsenal was converting Izhmash made rifles for the American market (literally, Saigas). I think once there were the Russian import restrictions implemented (2014?) that became something that wasn’t possible anymore and Arsenal started using Bulgarian hosts and manufacturing in America as well. I’m sort of going from memory on this, so hopefully someone can corroborate.i thought saigas were russian and arsenal was bulgarian
oh yea...isnt there somethin called a chinese norinco ?
oh yea...isnt there somethin called a chinese norinco ?
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12-20-2019, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
true. what i understand though is that arsenal has in the past imported saiga rifles and restored them to their intended form with a pistol grip.i thought saigas were russian and arsenal was bulgarian
oh yea...isnt there somethin called a chinese norinco ?
oh yea...isnt there somethin called a chinese norinco ?
you cant buy factory new saiga AKs anymore though because obama banned them from importation. arsenal imports bulgarian parts and assembles them into complete rifles, and the bulgarian receivers are as of now still available for importation.
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12-20-2019, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
my canik TP9 elite combat ****s all over my VP9 triggerThey might look the same, but the PPQ trigger is still better.
I also haven't apex'd any of my m2.0's , they have smoothed out significantly.
its crazy some people say the vp9 trigger is better than the P10c
there is hardly any take up in the trigger pull, a 4 to 4.5 lb break, and a stupid short reset. What's not to like?
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12-20-2019, 09:23 PM
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#gunporn

#gunporn

(these are my opinions i am not a licensed broker by trade)
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